Oblivion wins ''Ultimate GotY'' at Golden Joysticks

How can you have "Game of the Year" different to "Ultimate GotY"? Surely if it's the Ultimate GotY it must also be the GotY???

Originally Posted by mclean007
How can you have "Game of the Year" different to "Ultimate GotY"? Surely if it's the Ultimate GotY it must also be the GotY???

Either way it deserves it - great game :)

Originally Posted by mclean007
How can you have "Game of the Year" different to "Ultimate GotY"? Surely if it's the Ultimate GotY it must also be the GotY???

I agree to be honest :(

Because its in a class of its own???
But deserved, not quite as good as Morrowind, but still great.

GRAW didn't deserve the award it got, and imo. I would have said Oblivion didn't deserve the awards it got either, were it not for the fact that there were very few decent games out this year.

*is still pissed at bethesda for limiting TES IV so much*

The one award that made me laugh was EA being publisher of the year - I don't think many of bit-tech's forum members would necessarily agree with that. :)

Originally Posted by Tim S
The one award that made me laugh was EA being publisher of the year - I don't think many of bit-tech's forum members would necessarily agree with that. :)

Think you might be onto something there. EA deserved a wooden spoon or something.

EA? Best Publisher? You what?

EA's employees obviously got their extended families to vote for them, either that or bribery!

Originally Posted by specofdust
EA deserved a wooden spoon or something.

Wooden Spoon? Nah that would represent something vaguely useful. :D

No Company of Heroes?

too new :)

Oblivion GOTY and EA publisher of the year? Pfft, what a gyp. :(

Best Character Lara Croft... dont make me laugh.

Lego Han Solo > *

Originally Posted by SeBbY_007
Wooden Spoon? Nah that would represent something vaguely useful. :D

That depends on how it's applied. Sideways, anyone? :D

Originally Posted by Cthippo
That depends on how it's applied. Sideways, anyone? :D

Replace "spoon" with "large mallet" and you're there.

Party was brilliant. Ask me about it when I've recovered from my hangover! :)

Oblivion, thanks to the ease with which it can be modded, is a clear contender for being the best game of all time, let alone one measly year.

Originally Posted by Hovis
Oblivion, thanks to the ease with which it can be modded, is a clear contender for being the best game of all time, let alone one measly year.

Doesn't really make it GotY because people can mod it to make the game actually good though. It's like the devs thought they'd make a hash job of the game and let the community fix it. Morrowind is far superior to Oblivion, and it has the same mod support, the only difference is it's actually a good game without mods.

Don't see how you can have an award ceremony for games that doesn't let you vote for any game released that year. I voted on there and the choices were awful.

Originally Posted by Veles
Doesn't really make it GotY because people can mod it to make the game actually good though. It's like the devs thought they'd make a hash job of the game and let the community fix it. Morrowind is far superior to Oblivion, and it has the same mod support, the only difference is it's actually a good game without mods.

Don't see how you can have an award ceremony for games that doesn't let you vote for any game released that year. I voted on there and the choices were awful.

Mod support is part of a game no question. If you're looking at what makes a truly great game, one that lasts for years, you've got to include how easy the engine is to modify.

So the engine Oblivion has got (when slightly tinkered with) absolutely outstanding graphics, among the best ever on a PC game. It's got a good combat system, good spell system and good character progression system.

Now to the faults, the difficulty is out of whack; it's just mobflation. Easily fixed. Don't like the instant travel option, don't want to see locations on your compass before you arrive? Again easily fixed. Want more armour, weapons, spells, locations, even a ship you can sail around? All out there if you want it.

The same could be said for Neverwinter Nights, sure the original game was good, but the modding community raised the bar.

Ease of modification -is- a design factor to be considered, as is support for the modding community. For instance Bethsheda get massive kudos from me for releasing their own builder utilities for free to the community.

End of the day if you just want to buy a game and that's all there is to it then there are consoles for that. Modding games is an integral part of PC gaming.

They didn't release their own builder utilities to the community though. They released a single part of them(TECS IIRC) but the modding community was(and as far as I know still is) having great trouble introducing new meshes and animations into the thing. There is plenty they're not able to do because of Bethesda not helping to make things doable. This is understandable given beth are obviously out to squeeze every cent out of TES this time around, and won't want to be competing on all levels with the modders, but it does mean that the ability to mod TES4 isn't nearly so great as it could have been.

As for the main game. To me it feels like just too empty. There are so many things that it the world would support perfectly, so much fleshing out that could have made it the best game I've ever played, and a perfect sequal to morrowind. As it is, it feels like it needs another few hundred of man hours spent giving it depth at least.

Originally Posted by Omnituens
Best Character Lara Croft... dont make me laugh.

Lego Han Solo > *

QFT. Lara Croft isn't even new this year.

(Except Lego Chewie is better. He rips arms off.)

GAME best retailer? Pfft ok. High prices and a lot of rude staff make me think otherwise! Not that gamestation deserve it, my local store is like a bloody zoo selling computer games.

Ice

Best retailer would be play.com for me :)

The best retailer thing is a bit bollocks to be honest. There are very few large game retailers left in the UK, GAME might actually be the last, and online it's pretty much down to a choice between Amazon and Play. Also it's not like people buy the same game from two stores on the same day, so there's no meaningful comparisons to be made. Smells to me like the retailer category is in there as a pat on the head to the advertisers who want their name out there, even if only as winners of an effectively one horse race.

Originally Posted by specofdust
As for the main game. To me it feels like just too empty. There are so many things that it the world would support perfectly, so much fleshing out that could have made it the best game I've ever played, and a perfect sequal to morrowind. As it is, it feels like it needs another few hundred of man hours spent giving it depth at least.

Yeah thats what I thought, even with this whole radiant AI stuff, the game just felt dead, it's like the took morrowind, reduced the number of good, interesting quests, then made the world alot bigger.

Originally Posted by Hovis
So the engine Oblivion has got (when slightly tinkered with) absolutely outstanding graphics, among the best ever on a PC game. It's got a good combat system, good spell system and good character progression system.

The graphics arn't really that outstounding, and the combat system, spell system, and character progression are some of the worst I've seen.

I do agree that modding is a big part of a game, the fact it's easily moddable is a plus point, but not a major plus point. Afterall, why should developers get commended for work they havn't done? I made a mod for morrowind, should I get credit for morrowind's awsomeness? No, so why would it work the other way around?

Lol I just noticed AoE III is voted best online game :)

I think these awards are just the industry patting itself on the back.

EA getting anything other than humiliated is a joke.

And as for Oblivion... Well I was a fan of Bethesda, a *big* fan of Morrowind, and a genuine fan of the genre.. but I played Oblivion for a couple of months at the most.

The game is so repetitive (partially due to the fundamentally flawed levelling system) that I lost interest quickly.

If anything it should have won the Biggest Waste of Potential Award along with the Most Hardcore Fans Alienated Award.

Lara Croft? Nintendogs? AoE3? The only winner with *any* cred at all is Pro Evo 5.

I'd love to see the catering equivalent awards (The Golden Syrup awards?) where Pizza Hut wins Best Restaurant, and Ronald McDonald wins Best Chef.

All we need now is Dubya to win the Nobel Peace Prize...

For Oblivion all they really needed to do was Update the graphics and AI, give it a new story, then it would have been great.