MySpace is a popular site for children and it would seem paedophiles.

MySpace is a popular site for children and it would seem paedophiles.

Former hacker and current Senior Editor of Wired, Kevin Poulsen, has recently sparked a bit of internet controversy by uncovering paedophiles lurking in Web 2.0 wonderland, Myspace.

Five months ago Poulsen wrote a few lines of code which searched through Myspace's 1 million plus user profiles searching for the names and addresses of anyone who is on the sex offenders list. That code uncovered 39 year-old Andrew Lubrano, father of five, a convicted sex offender, who it seemed was once again up to no good.

The code looked through Myspace profiles, searching for 385,932 registered sex offenders in 46 US states. Poulsen claims that Myspace said that what he was doing was not possible. Poulsen discovered 497 people registered on Myspace had committed sexual crimes against children. Most of these people turned out to be using Myspace innocently or simply not using it at all but then Poulsen stumbled upon a 39 year old man named Lubrano. Here is an extract from the original article which you can read here:

"Lubrano stood out early in the results. His rap sheet was chilling, and by the time I found him, a half-a-dozen underage boys populated his friends list, many commenting on his message board. He lavishes particular attention on Jacob (not his real name), the 14-year-old in Virginia, lamenting the distance from his home on Long Island to the house Jacob shares with his grandparents near Washington D.C. -- about a six hour drive. "Damn," he writes, "it's a shame you don't live close by boy the things we can do."

It's a truly shocking read – raising the question of how many sex offenders are using sites like Myspace incognito? Surely they can't all be as stupid as Lobrano and use their real names. Myspace has said since that it is hoping laws will come into place that will allow them to prohibit all registered sex offenders from signing up with the site. The article is a very interesting read, with more details about how Poulsen went about creating the code and how the police eventually invited Poulsen along to the stake out and eventual arrest of the sex offender.

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Quote DougEdey 17th October 2006, 11:25
What are they going todo check addresses? That'll be fun!

Surely this kind of code could be incorporated to myspace and regular checks performed.
Quote bright_ 17th October 2006, 11:30
It sounds rather iffy, especially when some of the people it "found" weren't even on the site. Checks like this should be performed though, especially from the looks of the last person =\
Quote rupbert 17th October 2006, 11:36
Whilst this is abhorrent, I fear the expected knee-jerk reaction from the media in general:

"Ban the internet", "MySpace a breeding ground for perverts" etc...

:(
Quote korhojoa 17th October 2006, 13:31
I wish myspace did these searches themselves.
Quote Silence 17th October 2006, 13:42
This article reminded me of how one newspaper in the UK launched their own paedophile 'stings' by having a journalist pretend to be a young (less than 16) girl. They allegedly caught some guy who was apparently talking inappropriately about sex with the undercover journo, and trying to meet them. The newspaper then informed the police, who apparently had approximately less than a few days to perform a full investigation before the newspaper ran the 'name and shame' story.

Imagine the mess to someone's life if they were proven innocent, but the paper had ran with the story. No public apology would ever undo the damage of having been labelled a 'dirty paedo' to the nation.

In my opinion, if MySpace, Bebo or any other community sight were to ask for names and addresses of all users, so that they could check sex offender registers, it would only cause a bad reaction from those who complain about giving up personal details to websites, as the true paedophiles would use false details.
Quote Lucidity 17th October 2006, 14:18
Well there is a better way to solve this problem, when the paedos are convicted they get the death sentence, plain and simple. To me rape and sexual abuse are the some of the worst things you can do to a person, much less a child. It is a shame that we let these sick ****s back into society, especially when tests show that most cannot be rehabilitated.
Quote DXR_13KE 17th October 2006, 14:35
dont tell this to jack tompson!!!!! or else he will ban the internet. (it is poluting the minds of the kids).

castrate all paedophiles!!!!!!! and if they do it again but them in jail for life and make them do forced labor and get gang raped by other prisioners.
Quote Silence 17th October 2006, 15:39
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucidity
It is a shame that we let these sick ****s back into society, especially when tests show that most cannot be rehabilitated.

I'll skip the death-penalty rant and move on to this statement. You say most cannot be rehabilitated, implying then that some can. Trouble is, despite even the best psych-analysis, it's damn near impossibe to tell whether or not a supposedly 'cured' offender woud re-offend. However, could you punish ALL convicted offenders who have served their time in order to prevent 'some' from re-offending?
Quote ChromeX 17th October 2006, 16:20
Quote:
Originally Posted by Silence
However, could you punish ALL convicted offenders who have served their time in order to prevent 'some' from re-offending?

Yeah damn right you could!! Its a disgusting crime probably the worst you can commit, the people who commit them should be hung plain and simple. To hell with rehabilitation!
Quote sadffffff 17th October 2006, 16:23
naw, scanning for registered sex offenders isnt going to solve anything. 1 out of 500? and that of REGISTERED sex offenders. think of how many pedo's out there that arent. having myspace do this or some hacker turned writer trying to generate some media attention isnt going to help a thing.

the problem here is the kid's parents. theyre not violating their kid's privacy enough plain and simple. they should be prying into everything they do on the internet. "oh my kid is talking to a 40 year old man an awfull lot...AND theyre talking about some weiiird stuff that a kid his age probably should be talking about? HMMMMM?!". Lazy worthless parents. Heres the internet kids. you can find ANYTHING and ANYONE there. heres some personal bloggin sites and chat programs. Good now theyre occupied and i can go and not do my job as a parent now. *sarchastic applause*

as for killing sex offenders? come on, what a knee jerk unthought-out reaction. pitty them, theyre mentally ill. and be upset at the system for likely having made no effort to cure them other than throw them in jail.
Quote aggies11 17th October 2006, 16:39
Well, this argument is more politics than it is tech (which means it's a dangerous topic for a message board ;),

but is anyone surprised?

The problem here (if you believe there is a problem) is not myspace, but the fact that these sex offenders are at large in the public, free to do what they want (ie. re-offend).

"Filtering" myspace, doesn't stop the problem. You'd have to reform the criminal justice system to do that.

Aggies
Quote supermonkey 17th October 2006, 16:49
Quote:
Originally Posted by sadffffff
the problem here is the kid's parents. theyre not violating their kid's privacy enough plain and simple. they should be prying into everything they do on the internet. "oh my kid is talking to a 40 year old man an awfull lot...AND theyre talking about some weiiird stuff that a kid his age probably should be talking about? HMMMMM?!". Lazy worthless parents. Heres the internet kids. you can find ANYTHING and ANYONE there. heres some personal bloggin sites and chat programs. Good now theyre occupied and i can go and not do my job as a parent now. *sarchastic applause*

as for killing sex offenders? come on, what a knee jerk unthought-out reaction. pitty them, theyre mentally ill. and be upset at the system for likely having made no effort to cure them other than throw them in jail.

^^ What he said.

-monkey
Quote Ramble 17th October 2006, 17:10
Jesus, don't kill them or castrate them, that's an extremely bad idea, and it wouldn't stop much - they just couldn't have sex.

And what if you're convicted but innocent? Whoops, you've just lost your genitals, sorry.
Quote Adnuo 17th October 2006, 17:31
Rap sheet

Anyone else find it funny that under Ethnicity all it lists is "Not Hispanic"? That must be all that matters then... As long as you're not Hispanic you're fine!
Quote Gunsmith 17th October 2006, 18:05
"...suddenly north was ablaze, dancing to the beat of primitive animal justice"
Quote Vergil_117 17th October 2006, 20:58
Lately I've found myspace to do as little as possible, just so he can keep up new user counts, that even includes never really deleting the old accounts that some users unregister. Just so they can keep a high so called user count.
Quote Cthippo 17th October 2006, 21:25
So for all that work they found one person who was demonstrably doing somthing untoward? Out of how many MILLION MySpace users? Hell, that probably makes MySpace the SAFEST place on the net.

The problem (as I see it) is that people think that they can be safe and can keep their children safe. Guess what, you can't get over it. The world is a dangeroud place, bas stuff happens, even to children. If you want to give up your rights, go ahead, but leave everyone elses alone.

:EDIT: Somthing else that just occoured to me...

"Protect the children" is a lot like the "War on terror". They're both meaningless justifications for, well, pretty much anything. I think it's pretty sad that we live in a society with such a tenious grip on civilization that we would agree with the torture and castration of people based on a few meaningless words.
Quote saeghwin 17th October 2006, 21:42
Quote:
Originally Posted by rupbert
Whilst this is abhorrent, I fear the expected knee-jerk reaction from the media in general:

"Ban the internet", "MySpace a breeding ground for perverts" etc...

:(

Wouldn't that be weird if people just stopped using the internet...I never even thought of that. I wonder what future versions of internet-like communication we will have.
Quote quack 17th October 2006, 22:35
One of my friends has been living with the knowledge that her daughter's abuser was able to keep roaming the streets after being picked up time and time again by the police. He was caught by the police trying to rape her 15 year old daughter in his car. He wasn't locked up for long though. :(

He had a pretty long record, mostly related to child molestation, and lived with his mother near a school which was against the conditions of his parole. The police did next to nothing about that.

He would track her daughter down and try to talk to her, laugh at her, basically stalked her. Neither my friend nor her daughter have been able to leave the house much, alone, in case they bumped into him. 2 long years have gone by since he was first caught with her daughter.

---

Until a few days ago... she found he had a myspace page, complete with pictures of underage girls, some of which are/were 7-8 years old. She told the police and the FBI got involved. They got a warrant to search his house and found a lot more than was on his myspace - he was arrested, and now indicted in a federal court on over 200 counts of child pornography and charges pending on child molestation. He faces a considerable amount of jail time.

Finally some justice.
Quote wafflesomd 17th October 2006, 22:36
Quote:
Originally Posted by korhojoa
I wish myspace did these searches themselves.

I wish myspace didnt exist.
Quote Charles1 17th October 2006, 23:08
To be honest we live in a world of freaks and creeps. But I say we cant go and blame myspace for not doing anything. Its free and is open to anyone who wants to use it. I say if the damn kid meets random people its the parent fault and not myspace. So all in all we live in a nation of freedom and if we go blaming Myspace for this then we are just encouraging the goverment to place more ristrictions on our so called Nation of freedom which is far from. I mean god one get violated when you dont pay a traffic ticked and you go to prison you get your but checked I mean isnt that rape LOL my 2 cents I just dont like the gov getting to involved in our personal lives.
Quote Gravemind123 17th October 2006, 23:50
Meh...its not like this is anything new to people...most kids/teenagers these days are complete idiots, and most 40 year old perverts are smarter then them. I have to agree with wafflesomd, I wish myspace didn't exist. I get tired of people saying "You gotta see this, its on my myspace" or complaining "Why am I not in your top ten!" It makes me want to just walk over to them and slap them for caring so much about something so pathetic. Enough of my myspace rant, if you give out too much information, people will use it against you, end of story. Parents need to pay more attention to what kids do, or teach them better. I'm not stupid enough to do stuff like that, but I know plenty of people who would be.
Quote Charles1 18th October 2006, 00:45
Exactly Parents need to pay more attention case closed LOL
Quote Cheap Mod Wannabe 18th October 2006, 04:57
Oh my that guy lives about 30 mins away from me...

As for the whole Myspace-hideout for predators... ehhh You know what, find something else to amp up.

I'm tired of this ****, seriously. If the kid goes to the mall or any other public places he will meet people. People that are good and people that are bad. Yes I agree, by pretending to be someone else predators can gain much more info through web sites like myspace. Either way people need to stop whining. Especially here in US. Acknowledge your fu***ing responsibilities. Teach your children not to listen loud music with headphones and not to be careful online. Just like you tough them not to get into cars with strangers.

It's not Myspace's fault that your kid is posting everything about him/herself there. Just like it is not Apple's fault that some people pump the volume up.
Quote DougEdey 18th October 2006, 07:33
Quote:
Originally Posted by quack
Finally some justice.

Still took too long.
Quote Silence 18th October 2006, 10:37
Believe it or not the law enforcers work damn hard to catch and put away paedophiles. Actual possession of images usually ends in a jail term (providing intent to possess can be proven), the length of which depends on quantity and other charges (distribution, active creation, incitement etc).

However, these operations and subsequent investigations/hearings/trials can take a while to come to conclusion, so the general public won't see 'results' for a year or so. That often leads to the feeling that law enforcement aren't doing anything, which is far from true.

I completely agree that a lot of parents need to be more active in 'policing' their children, but everyone can help. If you see something dodgy on Myspace, or other such websites, report it to admins. If the admins find something illegal is happening, they are duty-bound to report it to the authorities.
Quote Charles1 19th October 2006, 02:26
hear hear cheap mod thumbs up!
Quote Duste 19th October 2006, 09:50
How about we just shut down MySpace? It's a gathering ground for emos more than pedophiles. :P
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