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Leaks reveal Nvidia GeForce GTX Titan LE, Titan II

Leaks reveal Nvidia GeForce GTX Titan LE, Titan II

Nvidia's GeForce GTX Titan could be joined by two more models, a down-rated GTX Titan LE and a faster GTX Titan II.

Nvidia is rumoured to be expanding its GeForce GTX Titan family, tripling the stock-keeping units (SKUs) on offer by bracketing the existing model with a down-rated GeForce GTX Titan LE and an up-rated GeForce GTX Titan II.

According to details obtained by 3DCenter.org, Nvidia is pleased enough with the success of the high-priced Titan - or has enough of the GK110 graphics processing units (GPUs) cluttering up its warehouse, if you're more cynical - that it plans to increase the line-up. First to launch will be a cut-down model dubbed the GeForce GTX Titan LE, to be followed by a GeForce GTX Titan II or GeForce GTX Titan Ultra.

First, the cut-down version. Using marginal chips that just didn't make the grade for inclusion in the GeForce GTX Titan, the LE version will featuring 2,496 CUDA cores across 208 texture mapping units (TMUs) compared with the Titan's 2,688 cores across 240 TMUs. The GK110 is further knobbled with the reduction to 40 raster operation pipelines and a 320-bit memory interface. Memory is also reduced, down to 5GB of GDDR5 from 6GB in the full-fat Titan. More pleasing is a claimed reduction in power consumption: where the GeForce GTX Titan has a peak power draw of 206W, the GeForce GTX Titan LE should sit closer to 180-190W.

For those who would prefer to go upmarket, the GeForce GTX Titan II unlocks more of the GK110's capabilities rather than reducing it. Using specially binned parts, the board - which may launch as the GeForce GTX Titan Ultra - is claimed to include 256 TMUs and 2,880 CUDA cores along with the same 48 ROPs and 384-bit memory interface of the first Titan. Its clock speed gets an additional boost, too: the 837MHz of the original Titan is claimed to be upgraded to 950MHz in its successor - a move which ups the power draw to an estimated 220-230W.

It's worth mentioning at this point that 3DCenter.org's write-up of the rumours, received from an unnamed source, involves a certain amount of guesswork: "probably" and "estimated" are two of the key words to take away from its English translation. The news of 2,880 CUDA cores available on the GeForce GTX Titan II, in particular, seems high: that's the total number of cores available on the GK110 GPU, meaning the chips would have to be absolutely perfect with zero defects - something the company has not yet managed to achieve even for its high-priced GK110-based Tesla K20X accelerator boards, which have 2,688 active CUDA cores.

The GeForce GTX Titan LE, on the other hand, seems a much more likely prospect: designed for those who can't quite justify the top-end Titan, the Titan LE's CUDA core count of 2,496 matches Nvidia's GK110-based K20 accelerator board - making the Titan LE a consumer-oriented K20 in the same way as the Titan is based on the faster K20X.

Nvidia, naturally, has refused to comment on the rumours, but with 3DCenter.org's source pointing to a summer 2013 launch for the GeForce GTX Titan LE and a late-2013/early-2014 launch for the GeForce GTX Titan II, fans of the green camp's work shouldn't have long to wait to find out if the rumours are true.

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maverik-sg1 22nd April 2013, 14:12 Quote
From a pricing perspective - I'd never expect to pay such a premium for a GPU, I doubt the LE version will be lower than £500 and even though it's performance would be a substantial increase over my 570, essentially my 570 still performs at my gaming resolution and detail settings.

Not that Nvidia reads these pages, but if they did, £450 is the limit for a launch price with a target price of around £375 OK!!
atc95 22nd April 2013, 14:18 Quote
The titan le will sell well, once you match a titan le to the price of 2 7970s and it retains similar performance to the original titan, it will be far more if an upgraded proposition. Especially as not all games take advantage of multi gpu configurations.
rollo 22nd April 2013, 14:20 Quote
Nvidia has no competitors at the moment in the price bracket the Titans are selling in, With a AMD refresh not due till next year these are the prices we have to live with in a 1 company market.

AMD console win means they have no space to make consumer gpus this year so it will be nvidia only at the prices we are seeing.

Nvidia titan chip is still alot cheaper than its tesla range for the record.
Parge 22nd April 2013, 14:26 Quote
Nah, I couldn't ever justify it either, but its nice to have these in the marketplace as a benchmark what's possible with PCs.
maverik-sg1 22nd April 2013, 14:30 Quote
I agree - but because also the current gen of single GPU cards are capable of providing "excellent to satisfactory" FPS at up to 2550x1440, these new cards are pure luxury - so then when you add into the equation "price" - if they're not priced right then you limit your customer base.

I hope that this pushes the other gpu prices down in price :)
damien c 22nd April 2013, 14:52 Quote
Hmm a Titan Ultra now that would be interesting to see benchmarked, however I wouldn't expect to see it sell for less than £1k and wouldn't be suprised if was around the £1200 mark for a single card.
mi1ez 22nd April 2013, 15:05 Quote
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Originally Posted by rollo
AMD console win means they have no space to make consumer gpus this year so it will be nvidia only at the prices we are seeing.

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but surely AMD won't actually be providing the chips, only the IP.
rollo 22nd April 2013, 15:09 Quote
They provide the first batch of chips as part of the agreement with both Microsoft and Sony acording to reports.
Snips 22nd April 2013, 16:24 Quote
Remember, they're doing this because of the success of Titan. Someone has been buying them, so there must be a market for them.
true_gamer 22nd April 2013, 16:30 Quote
Gonna watch the market place when the Ultra comes out - As I'm sure someone I know may have 4 up for sale soon. :D
Harlequin 22nd April 2013, 16:31 Quote
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Originally Posted by rollo
Nvidia has no competitors at the moment in the price bracket the Titans are selling in, .

that's because the 7990 is faster and cheaper.....
MjFrosty 22nd April 2013, 16:40 Quote
Oh FGS.

"We were so pleased with the response to the Titan that we're going to release the same card again with clocks that the original one should of shipped with in the first place."

Yeah? Nothing new there then.

I'll just bin off the idea of buying a second Titan now then shall I.

Heartless *******s.
GuilleAcoustic 22nd April 2013, 17:10 Quote
Just a question : "Does nVidia cripple openGL, cuda and double precision floating point performance on Titan's ?" ... because this is what they do with GEForce's, in order to sell more quadro and Tesla ...
rollo 22nd April 2013, 17:30 Quote
You buy one then ill take a Titan any day over it, duel Gpu on a single card never worked for me. (
5990 , 6990 owned both sold both)

Judging by alot of forums it has not worked for many people.
r3loaded 22nd April 2013, 17:38 Quote
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Originally Posted by GuilleAcoustic
Just a question : "Does nVidia cripple openGL, cuda and double precision floating point performance on Titan's ?" ... because this is what they do with GEForce's, in order to sell more quadro and Tesla ...

FP64 performance doesn't really matter for buyers of GeForce cards as no game uses it. Heck, I think even Folding@home only uses integer calculations (don't quote me on that, but I'm sure it doesn't use FP64).

If you do need to run applications that require good FP64 performance, chances are that your employer/educational institute is already supplying you with a Tesla card.

Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk 2
Kovoet 22nd April 2013, 17:51 Quote
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Originally Posted by Harlequin
that's because the 7990 is faster and cheaper.....

Hear hear and totally agree. Nvidia might be good cards but they are getting crazy with prizes
Harlequin 22nd April 2013, 18:03 Quote
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Originally Posted by r3loaded
FP64 performance doesn't really matter for buyers of GeForce cards as no game uses it. Heck, I think even Folding@home only uses integer calculations (don't quote me on that, but I'm sure it doesn't use FP64).

If you do need to run applications that require good FP64 performance, chances are that your employer/educational institute is already supplying you with a Tesla card.

Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk 2

not really - it matching AMD 5870 in FP64......


important if your a miner ;)
Pete J 22nd April 2013, 18:45 Quote
GTX Titan Ultra huh? Makes me glad I didn't go overboard and buy some Titans. Not that I'd been able to afford this theoretical new card as I agree with damien c's prediction of £1200 - as a minimum.

My sympathies to the likes of MjFrosty and others.
GravitySmacked 22nd April 2013, 19:03 Quote
Interesting, I've been eyeing up a Titan since it was first announced but cannot quite justify the expense. A lower priced, slightly less powerful version, would almost certainly win me over depending on reviews etc.
Snips 22nd April 2013, 19:15 Quote
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Originally Posted by Harlequin
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Originally Posted by rollo
Nvidia has no competitors at the moment in the price bracket the Titans are selling in, .

that's because the 7990 is faster and cheaper.....

and hotter and draws more power and has driver issues but hey it may work long enough to be faster (yeah right) and cheaper (everything else is)
Cei 22nd April 2013, 19:57 Quote
Where would a Titan LE sit in relation to a GTX 680 anyway?
The_Crapman 22nd April 2013, 20:43 Quote
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Originally Posted by true_gamer
Gonna watch the market place when the Ultra comes out - As I'm sure someone I know may have 4 up for sale soon. :D
I call shotgun on your F.T.W.'s
true_gamer 22nd April 2013, 20:47 Quote
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Originally Posted by Cei
Where would a Titan LE sit in relation to a GTX 680 anyway?

I reckon £600 for the LE, as the GTX680 4GB are around £500.
Maki role 22nd April 2013, 21:39 Quote
Well that's just grand...

Ordered two the other day and now I find they're releasing some uber version?? Why didn't they just release them all at the same bloody time? I mean of course it was going to sell well, despite the stupid pricing.

They've basically shafted their entire customer base for the Titan with this move. Those who bought it but weren't 100% okay with the price would have gone for the lower one. Those who bought them because they're the fastest single GPUs about would quite possibly have gone for the Ultra instead. Now one group feels like they've simply paid too much, while the other feels that their hardware is now outdated already.
Jimbob 22nd April 2013, 22:32 Quote
"duel Gpu on a single card never worked for me. ( 5990 , 6990 owned both sold both"


I've got a 6990 and had a pair of 4870x2's before. I'll agree that on a couple of occasions there has been an odd glitch but nothing that wasn't sorted by the next driver revision. Possibly 3 games I've ever had problems with GTA IV, Metro 2033 and probably something else. I'd always rather a single chip card if there was comparable performance but crossfire and SLi problems are nowhere near as bad as they used to be.
Tangster 22nd April 2013, 22:37 Quote
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Originally Posted by Snips
Remember, they're doing this because of the success of Titan. Someone has been buying them, so there must be a market for them.

Probably institutions that want cut-price Tesla cards buying them in "bulk". I can see a university department buying a whole bunch just because they're much cheaper than Tesla but offer 2/3rds of the performance.
SchizoFrog 23rd April 2013, 02:19 Quote
Why are so many focused on the probable prices? If you are looking at these cards then money really isn't a factor is it? If people do but these products at their full asking price, why shouldn't nVidia charge that much?
I think it is a good sign of what is to come, just think that in 2 or 3 generation's time, you'll be able to get this level of performance or more from a mid range card...
fluxtatic 23rd April 2013, 06:09 Quote
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Originally Posted by Maki role
Well that's just grand...

Ordered two the other day and now I find they're releasing some uber version?? Why didn't they just release them all at the same bloody time? I mean of course it was going to sell well, despite the stupid pricing.

They've basically shafted their entire customer base for the Titan with this move. Those who bought it but weren't 100% okay with the price would have gone for the lower one. Those who bought them because they're the fastest single GPUs about would quite possibly have gone for the Ultra instead. Now one group feels like they've simply paid too much, while the other feels that their hardware is now outdated already.

If you're dropping that kind of money on GPUs, cry me a river about your first world problems.

And, durr - why do you think they do it? One feels shafted for because they didn't want to spend that much, but NVidia already has their money. The other doesn't have the bleedingest-edge gear, so not only does NVidia have their money, but they're about to get another pile of it, too.
Maki role 23rd April 2013, 10:00 Quote
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Originally Posted by fluxtatic


If you're dropping that kind of money on GPUs, cry me a river about your first world problems.

And, durr - why do you think they do it? One feels shafted for because they didn't want to spend that much, but NVidia already has their money. The other doesn't have the bleedingest-edge gear, so not only does NVidia have their money, but they're about to get another pile of it, too.

And you expect those who did spend that much just to put up with it and be happy? The Titan as a product is a perfect match for me, 6GB of VRAM for large scene GPU accelerated rendering, along with running CUDA and is at a much much lower price point than an equivalent Tesla or Quadro card. It also has the ability to play games pretty damn well, which means having multiple rigs isn't necessary either. Just because you don't have a use for it doesn't mean others don't.

And if you read my comment properly rather than reeling at the price of a Titan, then you'd have seen at no point did I say it would hurt Nvidia. This is a dick move, but one they can get away with without consequence.
MjFrosty 23rd April 2013, 10:22 Quote
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Originally Posted by true_gamer
Gonna watch the market place when the Ultra comes out - As I'm sure someone I know may have 4 up for sale soon. :D

I'll be going Tri for sure if they come down :))
Harlequin 23rd April 2013, 10:55 Quote
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Originally Posted by Snips
and hotter and draws more power and has driver issues but hey it may work long enough to be faster (yeah right) and cheaper (everything else is)

when you want the fastest who cares about power draw - you want eco friendly , go buy the cheapest passive card you can.


driver issues? LOL? really? nvidiots still banging on that drum? BOTH driver teams make good sets and bad ones ; shall we discuss the `fan switching off and burning up` NVidia cards then? bit more fatal than display issues.

the 7990 IS faster than the titan - all the reviews show this but please carry on your doing well for the nvidiot fan base.
MjFrosty 23rd April 2013, 11:03 Quote
It's not the drivers, not exactly anyway. It's Crossfire.

Fact is, it's sh*t. Soz! :)

Always found to this day that ATI/AMD cards have always had the nicer looking shaders and 2D. Just couldn't cope with the cons.
Snips 23rd April 2013, 11:26 Quote
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Originally Posted by Harlequin
when you want the fastest who cares about power draw - you want eco friendly , go buy the cheapest passive card you can.


driver issues? LOL? really? nvidiots still banging on that drum? BOTH driver teams make good sets and bad ones ; shall we discuss the `fan switching off and burning up` NVidia cards then? bit more fatal than display issues.

the 7990 IS faster than the titan - all the reviews show this but please carry on your doing well for the nvidiot fan base.

hehe, yeah keep telling yourself that sweatheart ;)
GuilleAcoustic 23rd April 2013, 11:40 Quote
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Originally Posted by Maki role
And you expect those who did spend that much just to put up with it and be happy? The Titan as a product is a perfect match for me, 6GB of VRAM for large scene GPU accelerated rendering, along with running CUDA and is at a much much lower price point than an equivalent Tesla or Quadro card. It also has the ability to play games pretty damn well, which means having multiple rigs isn't necessary either. Just because you don't have a use for it doesn't mean others don't.

And if you read my comment properly rather than reeling at the price of a Titan, then you'd have seen at no point did I say it would hurt Nvidia. This is a dick move, but one they can get away with without consequence.

You should read reviews and writtings about professionnal app. The titan is not better than a GTX580 / GTX680 with most of GPU rendering or CAD soft.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-titan-opencl-cuda-workstation,3474.html

That's why I asked if nVidia softwarely cripple the Titan's. Because this is what they do with geForces vs Quadro / Tesla. This is even worse with Kepler based quadro as they also cripple the FP64 perf (1/24 of FP32 instead of 1/2 before kepler). Look at the FP64 performance across fermi / kepler quadro and tesla (which affects bitmining and GPU rendering) :

http://twimages.vr-zone.net/2012/11/SPEC.jpg

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/5263/sanstitreiih.png

http://voz.vn/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Anand-NVIDIA-Quadro-Fermi-Series.png

The Titan is a great gaming card, but is no match compared to a Quadro or Tesla for GPU rendering or bitmining. If you want a good gaming / OpenCL / bitmining card, then buy an HD7970. Titan is for gaming and will never be a cheap Quadro K5000 or cheap Tesla K20 (thanks to driver cripple).

It makes even more sense when you read about the nVidia Maximus (virtualization of a Quadro + a Tesla) : http://www.nvidia.com/object/maximus.html

If you want a kepler baser CAD and GPU rendering solution .... you need a kepler based quadro + a kepler based tesla ... thank you nvidia, I'm happy with AMD.
Harlequin 23rd April 2013, 11:49 Quote
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Originally Posted by MjFrosty
It's not the drivers, not exactly anyway. It's Crossfire.

Fact is, it's sh*t. Soz! :)

Always found to this day that ATI/AMD cards have always had the nicer looking shaders and 2D. Just couldn't cope with the cons.

its not just crossfire - sli is just the same , nv now have `adaptive` vsync to counter it.
Harlequin 23rd April 2013, 11:50 Quote
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Originally Posted by Snips
hehe, yeah keep telling yourself that sweatheart ;)

so you resort to an ad hominem attack since you cannot disprove anything I have said....
Snips 23rd April 2013, 12:03 Quote
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Originally Posted by Harlequin
so you resort to an ad hominem attack since you cannot disprove anything I have said....

You've shown me nothing but AMD BS matey. Show me how the 7990 dual AMD card will run without driver glitch and cooler, quieter, faster and cheaper than the single Nvidia Titan card on offer?

Tick those boxes and I'll even give you rep ;)
rollo 23rd April 2013, 12:03 Quote
7990 is more expensive in the uk then the cheapest titan so not sure where all the price comes from.

However well it performs is countered by the fact that if you buy new release games ( and if you can afford a £800 GPU you should be ) you will encounter issues on launch with said games in SLI or Crossfire this is just a fact of life. No point comparing 1 year old games here.

Take the latest tomb raider and its issues under SLI it took nearly 1month to fix and if you have spent the kind of money mensioned above it should just work no?

Bioshock infinite also suffers under SLI and CF till its drivers were repaired.
MjFrosty 23rd April 2013, 12:43 Quote
A fast single card solution will always be preferable if the performance is there. Goes without saying...

I've just always found Crossfire to be problematic in other ways, not just performance. I used to get some very bizarre problems with tearing and missing textures. Catalyst A.I often also to blame. I was also put off by PowerPlay when it failed to work at all. Leaving me with two 5870 bricks :(.

SLi is far from perfect, and even recently I've had to disable it on occasion. But from experience I'd say it's much better. Couldn't care less about all the fanboy stuff, I just know what I've come to prefer :)

And with how the Titans scale, I'm pretty sure I'll go with the investment (soon) :)
Spreadie 23rd April 2013, 13:20 Quote
Red versus Green pissing contests aside for a moment, the 690 is also cheaper (just) and faster (largely; at the resolutions that matter) than the Titan. I'd still choose the Titan.
Maki role 23rd April 2013, 17:12 Quote
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Originally Posted by GuilleAcoustic


You should read reviews and writtings about professionnal app. The titan is not better than a GTX580 / GTX680 with most of GPU rendering or CAD soft.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-titan-opencl-cuda-workstation,3474.html

Yeah I had already seen that, and it does confirm what I wanted in the card, almost exactly. I want to use it for CUDA accelerated rendering AND gaming, that's the thing. The massive 6GB of VRAM is so useful for rendering large scenes. If I went for a workstation card I may see greater efficiency and speed in the workstation elements, but gaming would suffer. The k5000 can handle games no problem, but it's also twice the price of a Titan. The Tesla cards can't be used for gaming at all so they're not an option sadly.

I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place here when it comes to suitable GPU options, so I went with the Titans because they fitted me best.
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