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Xbox One price cut to £399.99, with free copy of Titanfall

Xbox One price cut to £399.99, with free copy of Titanfall

The Titanfall Xbox One bundle.

Microsoft has announced a price cut for the XBox One, knocking £30 of the price and throwing in a free copy of Titanfall.

The price cut comes less than a month before the launch of what many are seeing as the first big platform exclusive that will drive many to buy the new console. Although also available on PC and, after a short delay, the Xbox 360 the title won't be coming to the Playstation 4.

The new £399.99 price will be available from 28 February and the Titanfall bundle can be pre-ordered direct from Microsoft as well as the usual retailers. The bundle includes the console, a Kinect sensor, standard Xbox One wireless controller, standard Xbox One Chat Headset, one month of Xbox Live Gold membership and a digital copy of Titanfall.

The Xbox One has so far been trailing slightly behind the Playstation 4 when it comes to worldwide sales, with the console's high price and 'unnecessary' extras such as Kinect and TV integration putting buyers off. The lack of a big launch title for either platform has also cause many potential buyers to hold off. Microsoft is hoping Titanfall will be the game to kickstart uptake of its console.

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Gunsmith 24th February 2014, 16:57 Quote
£30 and an average FPS

wow that's ****ing generous.
rollo 24th February 2014, 16:59 Quote
First price cut of many one thinks.

Such a early price cut for a console though.
Harlequin 24th February 2014, 17:26 Quote
actually got one here - tbh its not actually that bad , kinnect is plugged in but pointed at the wall , so no foul there , only downside is no sky go (missus watches it) and DLNA doesn't exist - yet.

games do look nice compared to the 360
bawjaws 24th February 2014, 17:38 Quote
Have to say, this is earlier than expected - three months after launch is pretty early to be cutting the price, is it not?
jrs77 24th February 2014, 17:45 Quote
Wouldn't even want it for free, but cutting prices this early on clearly shows that I'm not the only one totally uninterested in this One.
maverik-sg1 24th February 2014, 18:06 Quote
No DLNA = no purchase for either of the new consoles......I am not really one of the early adopters anyway, first units I always feel they are released whilst they still iron out production kinks and firmware bugs...but both have promised DNLA in future updates.

If I were an early adopter, no DNLA would mean they would need to drop the price by another £70, so I could buy one and then buy a WD LIVE box or similar for my DLNA needs.
Cei 24th February 2014, 18:36 Quote
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Originally Posted by bawjaws
Have to say, this is earlier than expected - three months after launch is pretty early to be cutting the price, is it not?

It's very early to be cutting prices, and bundling Titanfall (their great hope for selling machines, but also a potential source of profit at £50 per copy) is smacking of desperation. I'd love to see their sales numbers...
Corky42 24th February 2014, 18:47 Quote
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Originally Posted by Cei
I'd love to see their sales numbers...

Not that we will ever get official numbers, but "Industry figures suggest that the PlayStation 4 is outselling the Xbox One by around two to one, with 5.3 million of Sony's machines being sold worldwide."
SchizoFrog 24th February 2014, 19:45 Quote
I wonder how genuine any 'sales figures' really are. People, especially on tech sites, frequently mention how 'sales figures' of an OS are often misleading due to the number that are sold to OEMs and such like that rather than actual sales to the end user. I would imagine that when it comes to consoles, Sony has much stronger ties for commercial and promotional purposes as they seem to have been a sponsor for almost anything and everything ever since the first Playstation came out. So I wonder how many of these sales are promotional sales to other companies to be used as competition prizes, etc, as the PS4 seems to be offered as a prize for far more competitions. So I also wonder just how many of those sales will remain tucked up in a warehouse for the now as the promotional companies most likely arranged a lower price for bulk buys. Not that I am saying this is the case, but it could be a factor.

As for not wanting one even for free... Well feel free to send it my way.
jrs77 24th February 2014, 19:53 Quote
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Originally Posted by SchizoFrog
As for not wanting one even for free... Well feel free to send it my way.

If someone decides to give me one for free, you've just made the top of the list to get it ;)
rollo 24th February 2014, 19:55 Quote
Wether they are selling to retail or not I'm not so sure, but the general feeling is the ps4 is ahead on sales. Don't personally care either way own niether and will still own niether unless some game comes out that I want to play.

If anything once the ps4 launches in japan the gap will widen as its a strong market for Sony in general. Wether Titanfall will make a lot of dif is questionable , it has pretty mixed reviews and will get a joint pc launch. You can already aquire just the game for under £30.

In tech only Apple gives its sales numbers of products and even they don't break it down by version.

Microsofts own fault really they have not given the gamers what they wanted so they have left. They should not of forced Kinnect onto people. That and lack of tv features outside of USA makes it a difficult seller. I'd imagine its USA sales are strong with the rest of the world pretty poor.
Anakha 24th February 2014, 20:18 Quote
Interesting. This story was supposedly under Embargo until 1am tomorrow, so it seems: http://stevivor.com/2014/02/microsoft-announces-special-titanfall-xbox-one-bundle/#sthash.bdUgmsli.dpbs
SexyHyde 24th February 2014, 20:31 Quote
I'm not surprised. Although all the media has reviewed both consoles as being pretty equal, it feels like they've just done it to not get blacklisted by MS/MS fans. The people I've seen with PS4s have been pretty pleased and impressed, I've also been impressed. The XBOX One has been pretty much disappointing everyone that I know that has bought it.

Titanfall I found great apart from the titans. I loved the vertical freedom over other FPS, but the titans just felt slow and underpowered.
RichCreedy 24th February 2014, 20:33 Quote
Rollo, Kinect is included in the box, but you are not forced to use it, you don' t even need to plug it in.
Harlequin 24th February 2014, 20:36 Quote
rollo - tv features work fine - its wifi connected , and didn't know about Kinect so that`ll be unplugged as well....


we have one , and its not bad at all.
sandys 24th February 2014, 20:40 Quote
I await further cuts and the shrink of both machine and sensor, Titanfall is a decent pack in though.
Waynio 24th February 2014, 20:59 Quote
£400 & a new game that allows for at least £20 cash back is a much better improvement, if you don't want kinnect you could get at least £40 cash back again making it at most £340, that's not bad at all really.


I went the OEM replacement brand new console route, 3rd party 220w PSU, play & charge pad kit, 4k capable HDMI cable for £290 so £50 difference is good IMHO & the £20 game cash back is a bare minimum & the £40 for kinnect is a bare minimum also so this new XBone pack could be a very sweet deal complete with standard warranty.
fix-the-spade 24th February 2014, 21:37 Quote
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Originally Posted by Corky42
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Originally Posted by Cei
I'd love to see their sales numbers...

Not that we will ever get official numbers, but "Industry figures suggest that the PlayStation 4 is outselling the Xbox One by around two to one, with 5.3 million of Sony's machines being sold worldwide."

But that includes the launch period and Christmas rush sales, if MS are making price cuts this rapidly, post Christmas must have tanked completely.
MrJay 25th February 2014, 00:16 Quote
The entire Xbox setup looks and feels like an afterthought. The PS4 on the other hand looks well polished and is quite a bit cheaper.

I've played on and had a good grope with both. The difference in quality and workmanship between the two machines is quite staggering. Xbox looks and feels like a hastily thrown together HTPC where as the PS4 looks and feels like a high end piece of Hi-Fi equipment.

Another thing to note is Playstation network vs Xbone Live, Sony offer free titles for a measly £40 a year where as Xbox is double that and perceivable offers very little.

Don't even get me started on user serviceability and upgrades...

I've always been an Xbox man, all of my friends have always had Xboxes, my late teens where dominated by Xbox system links and 48 hour Halo sessions...and yet I'd defiantly buy a PS4.

The Xbox looks like a pile of ****.
samkiller42 25th February 2014, 10:38 Quote
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Originally Posted by MrJay
Another thing to note is Playstation network vs Xbone Live, Sony offer free titles for a measly £40 a year where as Xbox is double that and perceivable offers very little.

You get 2 free games with Xbox Live Gold, And has been that way for around 7 months now, Granted the titles aren't brilliant, they do throw in a larger title into the mix occasionally.

Sam
Mr Happy 25th February 2014, 11:20 Quote
Cheapest i have seen, not sure of the website though

XBOX One

£369.97
Harlequin 25th February 2014, 14:11 Quote
and XBL gold is £26 a year if you know where to get it from....
Waynio 25th February 2014, 14:27 Quote
£180 & I am sure of the deal.
ebay link


Only 1 on the feedback but there are plenty of people selling brand new OEM console on it's own that can be registered with microsoft & you can buy all the extra bits either 3rd party or direct from microsoft once you register the console here.


Personally I wouldn't touch an ebayer with 1 feedback when buying from them unless it's a cheap item, got mine from someone who had a bunch of them for £20 more than the example I posted.


Registered mine today & it's covered on warranty until June 2015. :)

Manufacture date is Feb 2014, a couple of weeks old, awesome freshness, the packaging is awesome too, plain cardboard box with a truly awesome plastic bag with strong bubble lines protecting every single face, side & end & it came with 1 month xbox live gold. :D

Makes the ps4 look expensive.
rollo 25th February 2014, 14:40 Quote
There's a saying with eBay if its too cheap it usually is. They would never get my money that's for sure.
Waynio 25th February 2014, 17:00 Quote
Totally know this rollo but they are legit, I figure someone found a loophole of some sort for buying the consoles on there own, if they are selling them that cheap they have to be making a profit else it wouldn't be worth the bother.

Plus that was the cheapest one I pointed out, just found it a fun one to post with it being so low, you do need to buy the PSU, HDMI cable & a pad separately though & many sellers are selling an inadequate 120w PSU with only some selling the 220w version which is needed but you can order the official one after you register the console & I'd recommend doing that instead of going for a 3rd party one. :D
Gareth Halfacree 25th February 2014, 17:04 Quote
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Originally Posted by Otis1337
http://i.4cdn.org/v/src/1393288272147.jpg
I had a big discussion about this on t'Twittorz when the review was published. Simply put: no, a £120 graphics card *doesn't* run Titanfall better than the £450 (now ~£370) Xbox One. Do you know how many frames per second you'd get on Titanfall using the pictured card? Zero. You can't play a game on a graphics card alone.

If you read the review, you get a clearer picture: the £120 GPU beats the Xbox One in Titanfall performance when paired with a £170 CPU, £130 of RAM, £100 motherboard, £120 PSU, £25 cooler, and £90 SSD. Oh, and £80 OS. Plus you're going to need a case for that, so you can add on a fistful of tenners for that. Basically, the machine that beat the Xbox One also cost twice as much - and didn't include a controller (that's another £30 pleas, sir) or Kinect (which may or may not be a problem, depending on your personal preference for a device that SEES ALL AND HEARS ALL.) Or a free game.

The discussion then took a sideways turn into total cost of ownership (TCO). Even there, the case for a PC isn't as clear-cut as you might think: using the specifications for a mid-range PC (build cost, including an Xbox for Windows controller but excluding Kinect, around £600), we worked out that the overall costs are very similar. That's even allowing for buying eight new-release games at the full £50 rip-off Xbox Marketplace cost compared to the same games at £40 for PC via Steam, basically 'cos you're going to have to keep upgrading the PC roughly every three years to stay on top of the latest titles. (Three-year figure reached by having a shufti at how similarly-priced components from three years ago fare in today's games. By contrast, in March I could buy Titanfall for the Xbox 360, a console now nine years old, and it'd play fine. T'won't look as good as the PC version, true, but the PC version won't run on nine-year-old hardware no matter how far I dial down the settings.)

I even did a graph. No, really. Here:

http://gareth.halfacree.co.uk/pubimages/ownership2.png

That's TCO for the PS4, Xbox One and the aforementioned PC, tracked over a seven-year lifespan (and assuming no hardware failures in that period - if only that were true!). Both the Xbox One and the PS4 include the cost of annual membership to their respective online services, at full bought-through-the-console price.

In short: you might save money buying a PC instead of a console, but you won't save much.

Think I've gone off on a bit of a tangent now. S'amazing what I'll do instead of the work I'm actually supposed to be doing, innit?
AlienwareAndy 25th February 2014, 19:06 Quote
Hmm. I don't agree with the financial analysis.

What the Xbox does not have is stuff like the Steam sales and Humble Bundle. Maybe later I will do some calculations of the amount of games I have bought for mere pennies, not £40 and up.

I need to be very careful with money so I always wait for the sales.

Then, Gareth, you're forgetting about the toe rags who steal games. Me? I'll usually wait for them to be cheap before buying them. But the general "Savorz moneyz innit on PC gaming" are usually thieving little gits with no appreciation of what these games cost to make and think the whole world should work their asses into the ground for free and for their pleasure.

But yes, that aside I think even the genuine owners can save themselves a fortune by waiting for sales and bundles of epically cheap games.
Gareth Halfacree 25th February 2014, 19:25 Quote
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Originally Posted by AlienwareAndy
Hmm. I don't agree with the financial analysis. What the Xbox does not have is stuff like the Steam sales and Humble Bundle. Maybe later I will do some calculations of the amount of games I have bought for mere pennies, not £40 and up.
It's a simplified financial model, yes. There are too many variables otherwise. You point to things like the Humble Bundle and Steam Sales? Well, when you're doing your own financial model remember to take into account the 'free' games you get as part of the Xbox Live and PlayStation Plus subscription fee. Sales aren't exclusive to the PC, either: just before Xmas, Morrisons was selling off sealed, brand-new, physical copies of Deus Ex on PS3 for £3. £3! That's cheaper than the PC version!

Remember, too, that my model compares new-release titles 'cos that's where the biggest difference is.

If you find otherwise, please let me know - but my prediction is that although the final figures may be different, your graph will be very much the same shape as mine.

Oh, and no - my model doesn't account for pirates. Mostly because they're scummers who should be strung up by the danglies as a warning to others - and there are pirates on every platform, not just PC. (Although the PS4 and Xbox One haven't been cracked yet, I'll bet it's only a matter of time.)
sandys 25th February 2014, 19:29 Quote
I wouldn't like to draw out the graph of my PC spend over the years, it'd be a lot more vertical and much bigger numbers :D
rollo 25th February 2014, 19:42 Quote
Agree there Sandy, PC hardware is a hobby the fact it plays games well is fun too I guess.

Xbox vs pc comparisons are mute.

How ever much Microsoft xbox fans like to shove it the current facts are there for all to see. I have never ever seen a console been offered a discount after only 3-4months from launch. Microsoft screwed up its simple enough really.

Sonys bill of materials is actually higher than the xbox one including kinnect in that due to using a faster gpu and better memory yet it sells for less. How does that one really work out. ( I dont know how they work out these things just what is been said around other sites who do the breakdowns for the latest techs)

Rumours are Sony is taking a small loss on each console sold while Microsoft has refused to do this for this generation. Did they not learn from there tablet experiment that people have a price cap for none Apple Tech products.

Sony have also just confirmed there 2 day japan sales figures 334k units in 2 days compared to 88k for the ps3.

I own niether console and will likely own niether console unless some must play exclusive comes out.

Prefer Pc gaming and I know ive spent probably 10x the cost of the ps4 or xbox one in doing so over the last 3-4 years alone. Price does not really come into a purchase decision for me though.
Otis1337 25th February 2014, 20:04 Quote
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Originally Posted by Gareth Halfacree


If you read the review, you get a clearer picture: the £120 GPU beats the Xbox One in Titanfall performance when paired with a £170 CPU, £130 of RAM, £100 motherboard, £120 PSU, £25 cooler, and £90 SSD.

you completely over priced that computer build and you know it...
Gareth Halfacree 25th February 2014, 20:12 Quote
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Originally Posted by rollo
Xbox vs pc comparisons are mute.
Sorry to be 'that' guy, but the word you're looking for is 'moot.' 'Mute' means 'silent,' 'moot' means 'subject to debate' but in the Americanised colloquialism you're attempting is interpreted to instead mean 'of little or no relevance' - in other words, not worth debating. Language, eh? What're you going to do?
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Originally Posted by rollo
I own niether console and will likely own niether console unless some must play exclusive comes out.
Same. I own a PS3 (and about three games - it's mostly just a media streamer and Blu-ray player) and an Xbox 360, but I have no desire to upgrade until both can offer me an actual improvement. Graphics a bit better? My favourite games are character-based; that, to quote a certain Shania Twain, don't impress me much. As for the PS4 - no DLNA support or MP3 playback, Sony? Really? That's about 80% of what I use the PS3 for dropped by the wayside. Thanks, but no thanks.

I'll review my position in the Xmas 2015 sales, see if the prices have come down to sub-£200 with a game bundle and the inadequacies patched out. Might - might - be tempted then.
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Originally Posted by Otis1337
you completely over priced that computer build and you know it...
Actually, I didn't: look at the review. Those prices are current market prices for the exact components used in the benchmark system, as per Google Shopping. Go ahead - price it up yourself. You'll see I'm right.

EDIT: Here, let me help. "We tested the GTX 750 Ti on our trusty Ivy Bridge test rig, which features an Intel Core i5 3570K @ 3.4Ghz, 16GB Corsair Vengeance DDR3 RAM, an ASUS P8Z68-V Motherboard, Corsair HX850 PSU, Arctic Cooling Freezer 13 Pro, and a Corsair Force GT SSD." Go on. Price those components up. I'll wait here.

Now, if you'd care to read on and not just "hurr, durr, PC master race, consoles blow," you'll see that I then base my financial model on a considerably cheaper PC build.

Care to apologise?
Gareth Halfacree 25th February 2014, 20:21 Quote
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Amazing. That is completely different to the PC in the review. I mean, it's not even the same processor manufacturer. Bravo.

If you meant that as an alternative to the PC from my financial model, as opposed to the system you claim I overpriced - an accusation you have yet to prove or apologise for, by the way - then you're still missing some key components. A console comes with a game controller, so add on £30 for an Xbox Pad for Windows. You'll also need an operating system for the PC, which you haven't included - that's another £80. And if you want a proper comparison, you'll also need a Kinect for Windows kit. Oh, and you'll need a Blu-ray drive and some playback software - another £40 and £25 respectively - if you want to match the Xbox One on features.

Care to recheck your sums?

(Incidentally, the priced-up PC from my model - which included a cheap Intel Core i5 and an AMD Radeon roughly equivalent to the GPUs found in the Xbox One and PS4 - wasn't provided by me; it was provided by the chap providing the pro-PC side of the argument. Just so's you know.)
Otis1337 25th February 2014, 20:24 Quote
I meant an over priced computer, as in also over spec'ed. Over kill for titan Fall.
Why the hell would you use a pad in a FPS if you didnt have to? putting you self at a masive disadvantage.

What review? what the hell are you going on about?
Only point im making here is that you can make a nice computer for the same price or close to the Xbox and still play Titan Fall better on PC.
Corky42 25th February 2014, 20:25 Quote
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Originally Posted by Gareth Halfacree
(Although the PS4 and Xbox One haven't been cracked yet, I'll bet it's only a matter of time.)
Just out of curiosity i done a quick Google search on PS4 and Xbox One cracked, and it would seem they have already been broken :|
Gareth Halfacree 25th February 2014, 20:26 Quote
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Originally Posted by Otis1337
I meant an over priced computer, as in also over spec'ed. Over kill for titan Fall. Why the hell would you use a pad in a FPS if you didnt have to? putting you self at a masive disadvantage.
Who says the modelled gamer is playing an FPS? They might be into FIFA.

EDIT: Here's the specification on which the model was based, provided by the pro-PC side of the discussion. Here's his own TCO estimates, based on slightly different assumptions, along with justification for why each component was chosen.
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Originally Posted by Otis1337
What review? what the hell are you going on about?
See the MASSIVE GREAT IMAGE from the post you replied to? That review. The one I provided costings for, and you claimed I'd over-priced. Here.

Still waiting for that apology.
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Originally Posted by Otis1337
Only point im making here is that you can make a nice computer for the same price or close to the Xbox and still play Titan Fall better on PC.
Then you're making it badly. Once you've added on everything you'd missed from your £430 build, you're up at £600 without buying Kinect - and then you'll still have to buy Titanfall itself. Contrast that with an Xbox One, which can be bought for £370 with a copy of Titanfall. I wouldn't exactly call that "the same price or close."
Otis1337 25th February 2014, 20:40 Quote
You can do infinitely more things on the PC, and games cost a few quid thanks to steam sales and humble bundle.

I have a back log i dear not even look at, ever mind install. That will never happen with the Xbox, you have to heavily invest into the price of each game. Even full release games are never more than £30 for PC.

Xbox one titan fall is £42.00 on amazon,
£28 for PC [use 5OFFTITAN, to get ANOTHER £5 off that! £23!]

http://www.simplycdkeys.com/origin/titanfall?ref=email_campaign

Making it in the long run much cheaper gaming system. so with that massive saving on games, you can buy what ever controller you like.
Gareth Halfacree 25th February 2014, 20:44 Quote
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Originally Posted by Otis1337
Making it in the long run much cheaper gaming system. so with that massive saving on games, you can bye what ever controller you like.
Seriously. Read my post. It proves that what you're saying isn't true. There is very little difference in TCO between consoles and PCs. Then read the rest of the thread, where I go on to address everything you've just claimed and explain how little it affects the model.

Then, before replying, build a model of your own. State the assumptions, and prove your point. If your model uses reasonable assumptions and proves that PC is "in the long run (a) much cheaper gaming system," I'll buy you a game on Steam.
Otis1337 25th February 2014, 20:54 Quote
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Originally Posted by Gareth Halfacree
Xbox One, which can be bought for £370 with a copy of Titanfall.
Show me one one available? As far as i can see the Xbox is now £399

Anyway, the system i spec'ed will not have the same life in games as the xbone, your right about that. but It will still have a good amount of years of happy gaming, and WILL in them years be cheaper to game on as the release games are much cheaper, even half the price in some cases.
Those savings can be used to upgrade the computer accordingly.
Gareth Halfacree 25th February 2014, 20:57 Quote
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Originally Posted by Otis1337
Show me one one available? As far as i can see the Xbox is now £399
Which just goes to show that you haven't bothered to read the thread properly. Otherwise you'd have seen this.
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Originally Posted by Otis1337
Anyway, the system i spec'ed will not have the same life in games as the xbone, your right about that. but It will still have a good amount of years of happy gaming, and WILL in them years be cheaper to game on as the release game are much cheaper, even half the price in some cases. Those savings can be used to upgrade the computer accordingly.
Prove it. Load up your spreadsheet, build a model. If you're so sure, you stand to win a free Steam game - and you get to put me in my place. Why wouldn't you?

Unless, that is, you actually know that your claims cannot stand up to scrutiny.
Otis1337 25th February 2014, 21:00 Quote
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Originally Posted by Gareth Halfacree
Which just goes to show that you haven't bothered to read the thread properly. Otherwise you'd have seen this.

Available i asked... Thats is out of stock.. or never was.
that very well mite not get honoured.
Gareth Halfacree 25th February 2014, 21:02 Quote
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Originally Posted by Otis1337
Available i asked... Thats is out of stock.. or never was. that very well mite not get honoured.
You do know that Titanfall isn't out yet, right? And neither is the Xbox One bundle? That's a pre-order and given how large GameStop is as a company and the effort they've put into advertising the deal, I'm entirely certain it will be honoured.

Still waiting on the model that disproves mine.
Otis1337 25th February 2014, 21:06 Quote
I forgot i was not out yet as iv been playing the crappy thing in beta.
you wont be getting any graph im afraid, as i cba to download open office and install it just for this.

Also i have no idea how to construct a graph on how to show what im trying to put across. Nor do i see a point other than a free game.
Gareth Halfacree 25th February 2014, 21:08 Quote
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Originally Posted by Otis1337
I forgot i was not out yet as iv been playing the crappy thing in beta.
you wont be getting any graph im afraid, as i cba to download open office and install it just for this.
You don't need to produce a graph, or even install a spreadsheet: simply write down your assumptions in a post to this 'ere thread, and then use Windows Calculator to work out the total cost of ownership over whatever period you've chosen. That's what the guy who produced the model linked up-thread did.

Unless, like I say, you know that doing so would just confirm the validity of my model.
bawjaws 25th February 2014, 21:13 Quote
Tremendous, yet another thread snarled up in a multiquote shitfest argument. Can we please create a subforum for Gareth to take on all comers in a gladiatorial battle to the death? Or at least create a new thread for each one of these interminable arguments?

Sorry to be a dick here, but these arguments are really dull, and almost always adopt a very confrontational tone from the outset. They generally don't add anything whatsoever to the original thread and nor do they add much to the board as a whole. Not picking exclusively on Gareth either, but these discussions do tend to involve him more often than not :D
Gareth Halfacree 25th February 2014, 21:24 Quote
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Originally Posted by bawjaws
Not picking exclusively on Gareth either, but these discussions do tend to involve him more often than not :D
I give as I receive. Had Otis' original post said "I think I could build a PC for less than that," I would have responded in kind; however, it instead read "you completely over priced that computer build and you know it" - an aggressive, untrue and unwarranted attack on my journalistic integrity. (Especially as I don't actually care which is cheaper - I don't own an Xbox One and that's unlikely to change for at least a couple of years.)

Remember that I provided the model because I thought it was interesting. I spent several hours, unpaid, building it - and ensured that I was getting feedback from someone who believed the opposite of me while I was doing it. It's a sound, albeit admittedly simplified, model - and I'll darn well defend it against unproven claims. Now, if Otis - or anyone else - wants to provide a competing model, then we can get a discussion going here!

That is what these fora are for, right? Discussion? Isn't that why it's called a "discussion forum"? ;)
Otis1337 25th February 2014, 21:24 Quote
PC with Titanfall
£427 + £23 [titanfall] = £450
Xbone with titanfall
£399

5 full price games.
Xbone = £45 x 5 = £225
PC = £30 x 5 = 150

PC total after 5 full price games [not including titanfall]:
£600
Xbone total after 5 full price games [not including titanfall]:
£624

PC would get a bigger lead than this as most games are cheaper than £30 on release but i used £30 as thats the most you would ever pay.

So PC is cheaper, and also considering PC has much more games, lots even free, this makes it much more attractive deal to go PC.
Gareth Halfacree 25th February 2014, 21:30 Quote
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Originally Posted by Otis1337
<model snipped>
Thank you! A model!

Now, to your assumptions: you're still using £427 as the price of the PC. Where's the OS? What about the optical drive? Even if you argue that you wouldn't buy a gamepad or Kinect, you'll need both of those - and Blu-ray decoder software so you can play films just like the Xbox One does.

Using Scan's price of £70 for Windows 8, £40 for a Blu-ray drive and £25 for Blu-ray software - the OEM drive doesn't include it, I checked - your model shifts to £735 for the PC and £624 for the Xbox One. Wait, sub-£600 for the Xbox One - the GameStop deal.

That's before we get into longer lifespans, where the PC will need upgrades that the Xbox One would not.
Otis1337 25th February 2014, 21:34 Quote
hmmmmm ok your right :P
But i dont think its a clean cut as console only gamers make out. PC gaming is not a rich mans gaming platform at all. It can be very cheap if you know how. console players seem to have this idea you need to drop like a grand on a computer for it to be any good which is not the case at all.

blu-ray software?
http://vlc-bluray.whoknowsmy.name/

you dont need fancy software, just the drive.
Gareth Halfacree 25th February 2014, 21:39 Quote
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hmmmmm ok your right :P
But i dont think its a clean cut as console only gamers make out. PC gaming is not a rich mans gaming platform at all. It can be very cheap if you know how.
Absolutely. For gamers on a budget, especially those who don't care about brand-new triple-A releases, I'd recommend PC gaming every day of the week: massive back-catalogue, fantastic selection of indie games, dirt-cheap offerings in the Steam Sale and Humble Bundles and the like, increased flexibility... PC gaming is definitely the way forward.

For those who do care about new-release games, though, it ain't cheaper. And that was all my model was demonstrating!

Y'see, we're actually on the same side, here. Bro-hug!
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blu-ray software?
http://vlc-bluray.whoknowsmy.name/ you dont need fancy software, just the drive.
Yeah, what you're saying there is roughly equivalent to "you don't need to pay for an operating system, just torrent it." If you want to play Blu-rays legally, you're going to be shelling out on the software.
bawjaws 25th February 2014, 21:52 Quote
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I give as I receive. Had Otis' original post said "I think I could build a PC for less than that," I would have responded in kind; however, it instead read "you completely over priced that computer build and you know it" - an aggressive, untrue and unwarranted attack on my journalistic integrity. (Especially as I don't actually care which is cheaper - I don't own an Xbox One and that's unlikely to change for at least a couple of years.)

Remember that I provided the model because I thought it was interesting. I spent several hours, unpaid, building it - and ensured that I was getting feedback from someone who believed the opposite of me while I was doing it. It's a sound, albeit admittedly simplified, model - and I'll darn well defend it against unproven claims. Now, if Otis - or anyone else - wants to provide a competing model, then we can get a discussion going here!

That is what these fora are for, right? Discussion? Isn't that why it's called a "discussion forum"? ;)

Absolutely this is a discussion forum, and I'm not trying to stifle discussion - it's just that I think that these discussions would be better if they took place in separate threads, for a couple of reasons. They tend to distract from the original topic of the thread, and I think you'd get a greater degree of participation if they were hived off into their own threads. Just my tuppenceworth, of course, and I'm not trying to dictate to anyone.

It's also fine to highlight how much work you put into your original post, but I genuinely don't see the relevance of your comment that the work you put in was unpaid - I don't get paid for my posts here either :D Also, I don't think anyone was impugning your journalistic integrity, mainly because I don't treat your posts here as those of a journalist, but rather as those of another member of the community. It's a slightly different story if you're the author of the article in the OP and are making further posts that elaborate on that article, but that's not the case here.

Anyway, I've probably derailed this thread enough for now, and you and Otis have made up, so it's all good :)
Sloth 25th February 2014, 21:54 Quote
It's always struck me as a bit futile to compare PC to console gaming costs. It's always compared as a complete buy in to each platform which really doesn't seem useful.

Many people already own PCs. The difference in cost between a home PC and gaming PC is far less. Likely less than buying a new console.

On the flip side, a person may intend to own a console anyway. They may want it for media features or Kinect or something. In which case, the cost of buying another game for an existing console is way less.

tl;dr PC gaming is cheaper for a PC gamer. Console gaming is cheaper for a console gamer.
Gareth Halfacree 25th February 2014, 22:00 Quote
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t's also fine to highlight how much work you put into your original post, but I genuinely don't see the relevance of your comment that the work you put in was unpaid - I don't get paid for my posts here either :D
'Cos normally, when I spend several hours doing quite in-depth research (things like figuring out how much £120 of today's money would be three years ago corrected for inflation, what kind of graphics card that would have bought you three years ago, and how said card would stack up to the minimum system requirements of a modern game as a means of seeing how the 750Ti will stack up to games released three years from now) and producing a lengthy summary with supporting graphics which gets posted on a site with advertising down the sides, I get paid. It's my job. It's also something I enjoy doing, though, which means I'll sometimes do it for free. Like now, in fact.
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Also, I don't think anyone was impugning your journalistic integrity, mainly because I don't treat your posts here as those of a journalist, but rather as those of another member of the community. It's a slightly different story if you're the author of the article in the OP and are making further posts that elaborate on that article, but that's not the case here.
That's a good attitude to take - when I haven't got my 'staff' hat on, it's true that I'm just another forumite like any other. Although that also means that I don't have to bite my tongue if I'm feeling aggrieved - swings and roundabouts, innit?
SexyHyde 26th February 2014, 02:00 Quote
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'things he said'

I'm just going to say, I like it when Gareth goes 'ghetto baller' on people. It's a bit like being down the pub and getting into a lively discussion, but instead of punching and kicking to get his point across, he uses facts and links. Now I don't always entirely agree with where he is coming from, but he is nearly always fairly correct. I put it down to being able to back what he says up.

See I would argue that you shouldn't factor in the Kinect into the PC build. reasons:
Most people that got it for the 360 regretted it shortly after and didn't use it.
Most people complained that it should be optional to purchase as they didn't want to have to buy it with the Xbox One.
A portion (large or small I do not know) are leaving it unplugged or buying Xbox One 'console only' to prevent having to pay for the Kinect.

My 8 year estimate is £2500 with my current setup costing me £1300 but I was a squeaky bum PC gamer for most of that time. I'd guess about 8 years (started with budget setups moving to mid and now at mid-high), plus I sold some of my components - some for more than they were purchased new, so was able to rein in the outlay amount. Going by what I know my PC gamer friends have spent, I would say Gareth is quite close with his estimates for the PC cost.

I think the console outlay is way overestimated by what I've seen with friends. I'd figure it is about half. £700-800 for the console and one replacement plus a pad or two. People tend to buy 4-6 games a year with some coming from friends or 2nd hand and will sell 1-3 to recoup some money.
Gareth Halfacree 26th February 2014, 09:25 Quote
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Now I don't always entirely agree with where he is coming from, but he is nearly always fairly correct.
That may just be the nicest thing anyone's ever said about me. :'(
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See I would argue that you shouldn't factor in the Kinect into the PC build.
S'arguable, that one. It was included in my original model simply to get as close to feature parity between the two platforms as possible. There are arguments for and against, although I've seen the Xbox One Kinect sell on eBay for £60 or more - although I have no idea why, given that you're not supposed to be able to buy an Xbox One without Kinect - so while ditching Kinect from the PC build would drop its cost accordingly, you could also shave £60 off the Xbox One cost.
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My 8 year estimate is £2500 with my current setup costing me £1300 but I was a squeaky bum PC gamer for most of that time. I'd guess about 8 years (started with budget setups moving to mid and now at mid-high), plus I sold some of my components - some for more than they were purchased new, so was able to rein in the outlay amount.
I included the possibility of selling the old components when upgrading in my model, although at a highly reduced rate: based on my research, I found that the three-year-old equivalents to the components used in the build were selling for about £20 for the GPU and £20 for the motherboard and CPU as a matched pair. Obviously, if you buy more expensive components they'd sell for more - but that seemed to be the going price for three-year-old entry-level parts.
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I think the console outlay is way overestimated by what I've seen with friends. I'd figure it is about half. £700-800 for the console and one replacement plus a pad or two. People tend to buy 4-6 games a year with some coming from friends or 2nd hand and will sell 1-3 to recoup some money.
Aye, both the PC and console costs are based on heavy purchasing (eight titles per year, reduced to seven titles in year one for the consoles to account for the bundled game) of full-price new-release games. If you buy fewer games, you can expect the TCO to drop accordingly; likewise if you do the sensible thing and wait for a month or so after launch, the cost of the games - and, frequently, the difference between PC and console costs - reduces as well. That was part of the simplification: to keep the model manageable, I was always going to have to cut corners by making selected assumptions - but I ensured I agreed those assumptions with the other side of the discussion first.
rollo 26th February 2014, 11:45 Quote
Comparisons between pc and Xbox costs are Irelivent to most. Pc desktop ownership is on the downwards.

On forums like this you could technically say a 750 will give similar performance as everyone likely owns a pc of some discription.

In the general population that's not really true as most people I know binned there desktops and would cost them a lot to get a desktop back.

Gareth's post is accurate for most in terms of cost maybe not including kinnect. It's widely inaccurate for most people in forums like this as they spend a lot more on yearly upgrades. Yes games are cheaper but when your upgrading 50-60% of the build every year as some do your spending more on hardware than you are on software. ( even that does not include expensive software like Adobe that some of us use)

Facts are pretty simple Xbox one needs a sales booster, titanfall is likely not it.£400 is still a lot of money for a device with a tiny selection of games none of which are must play exclusives. Game prices are also high as with all new consoles.

You can aquire titanfall on pre order for under £20 currently after the initial pre views slaughtered the game a bit.
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