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Fez 2 will avoid Xbox

Fez 2 will avoid Xbox

Fez 2 was announced last week during the Horizon indie press conference at E3.

Fez developer Phil Fish will be skipping Microsoft's consoles as a platform for the sequel of his 2D perception-based platform puzzler.

Although Fish has not yet confirmed which platforms Fez 2 will be coming to, talking to Polygon, he did state that Xbox would not be one of them due to Microsoft's restrictions on self publishing.

'I'd love to release my games on every platform, but Microsoft is making it impossible for me to release on theirs. It's a shame,' said Fish over Twitter. 'With Microsoft, they've made it painfully clear they don't want my ilk on their platform. I can't even self-publish there. Whereas on PS4, I can. It's that simple.'

Fish further commented that it looked as if Sony were doing everything right with the PS4 and that although it's too early to tell how things will unfold that its 'heart definitely seems to be in the right place'.

After the launch of Fez last year, Fish spoke out against Microsoft when the company didn't allow for his game to be patched without high fees.

Fez 2 was announced last week at the Horizon indie section of E3 with a teaser trailer that gives very little away.

The process of getting a game on to Xbox Live Arcade has been tough enough and in order to satisfy the criteria, many developers have had to sign up to exclusivity deals for the platform upon release which have proved unpopular with fans.

In a feature on the Penny Arcade Report, Retro City Rampage developer Brian Provinciano details the process and summarised his experience with the Xbox Live Arcade platform as 'most expensive, a bottleneck, damaged PR, hindered other platforms' success.'

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Shirty 21st June 2013, 13:16 Quote
I doubt Microsoft will so much as raise an eyelid at this, but fair play to him for speaking out.
rollo 21st June 2013, 15:37 Quote
Not the first company to complain about microsofts exubent pricing for patches, valve have also complained in the past and are also annoyed about microsofts stance on free dlc.
kenco_uk 21st June 2013, 16:00 Quote
Indie Game: The Movie 2 - The Rebuttal?
SAimNE 21st June 2013, 20:32 Quote
irritating gamers??? FALCOOONNN PUUUUUUUNCH!!!!! is probably the most fun anyone has ever had when gaming in a group lol, we actually had a freeforall with nothing but captain falcon because of it
flibblesan 21st June 2013, 22:37 Quote
No doubt that Windows Phone publishing services like Yalla Apps will branch out to allow indie developers to publish on the Xbox. Self publishing is a bad idea in my opinion since it's the main reason why the current indie marketplace on Xbox is full of fart games, anime girlfriend simulators and other crap.
Unicorn 22nd June 2013, 00:15 Quote
Breaking news: So will I.
Sheiken 22nd June 2013, 18:08 Quote
Wow, it seems like the bad press for Microsoft simply won't come to an end.

I have been an xbox man myself since the first iteration and I have to admit, I might end up buying my first ever playstation in this round of the console wars. I never thought I would hear myself say that.
Snips 24th June 2013, 09:36 Quote
Wow, so if you madmouth Microsoft you get some press time to promote your own games?

Is this news or just jumping on the bandwagon?

I never heard of this chap or his games before now and after this, he wont be getting any of my money either.
Gareth Halfacree 24th June 2013, 09:51 Quote
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Originally Posted by Snips
I never heard of this chap or his games before now [...]
Really? Fez is one of the best-known indie games around. It has a 90% Metacritic score on the PC, and 89% on the Xbox 360. It has won numerous awards - Excellence in Visual Art, IGF 2008; Design Innovation (Nominated), IFG 2008; PAX 10, PAX Prime 2011; Story/World Design, IndieCade 2011; Grand Jury Award, IndieCade 2011; Seamus McNally Grand Prize, IGF 2012; Game of the Year, Eurogamer 2012 - and has been the subject of an award-winning documentary, Indie Game: The Movie, alongside Super Meat Boy.

Fish is about as well-known as the game, too: a very public falling-out with his co-founder, a tendency towards unguarded comments that hardly endear him to his fans, numerous broken promises and years-long launch delays, and a style that sits somewhere between French existentialist and unrepentant hipster make him a memorable figure in the indie game world.
Snips 24th June 2013, 12:04 Quote
Still none the wiser Gareth. So it is purely self promotion then?
Unicorn 24th June 2013, 13:47 Quote
Just because you haven't heard of something doesn't mean it's not popular! I've heard of Fez on the PC but I've never played it.
Snips 25th June 2013, 12:20 Quote
So does that make it popular then?
Phalanx 25th June 2013, 12:23 Quote
The troll. He is hungry.
Gareth Halfacree 25th June 2013, 12:29 Quote
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Originally Posted by Snips
So does that make it popular then?
No, you contrary thing you, being popular makes it popular. In its first year of sales, when it was exclusive to Xbox Live Arcade and not available on PC, it sold more than 200,000 copies. Sure, we're not talking Battlefield 3 (three million pre-orders) here, but for an indie game on a single platform that's pretty good going - even if it is absolutely dwarfed by Minecraft, which has so far sold 11,008,274 copies. Compared to other Xbox Live Arcade titles, Fez was a smashing success - and there can be no doubt as to its popularity.

Any other questions?
Snips 26th June 2013, 11:07 Quote
As a gamer, I never took any interest in it or him until this "fashionable" pop at Microsoft. In fact, I don't think the game has been mentioned on this website before now. So is every Indie developer getting a soap box to stand on here on this website Gareth?
Gareth Halfacree 26th June 2013, 11:14 Quote
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Originally Posted by Snips
As a gamer, I never took any interest in it or him until this "fashionable" pop at Microsoft. In fact, I don't think the game has been mentioned on this website before now. So is every Indie developer getting a soap box to stand on here on this website Gareth?
If they have something interesting to say and sales in the hundreds of thousands, then why the hell not? Also, you don't speak for all gamers - as hundreds of thousands of people who have heard of Phil Fish and Fez and even paid actual money for the game will attest.

Perhaps you're just not as well informed as you'd like to think, hmm? Finger slipping off the pulse a little, there? Never mind. We won't think any less of you for it.
Snips 26th June 2013, 11:55 Quote
So it was mentioned on this site before then?
Gareth Halfacree 26th June 2013, 11:58 Quote
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Originally Posted by Snips
So it was mentioned on this site before then?
I'm sorry, where did I say it was mentioned on this site before now? There are lots of games that aren't mentioned on this site until they are - that's how news works, y'know. Take Arma, for example. Should the site not have reviewed Arma II, because it never mentioned the original? How far back to do we take that? Can the site cover Microsoft operating systems, or does the fact that there's no review of Windows 1.0 mean that it's verboten?

Really, Snips, you started off as such a promising troll. Son, I am disappoint.

EDIT: Guess what a quick search of the forum threw up? That's right, Fez being mentioned prior to this news story. First positively, then not so positively. So to answer your question: yes, it was mentioned on this site before. Not that, as I have pointed out to you, that in any way matters.
Snips 26th June 2013, 12:39 Quote
In a forum post was it? fair enough, shame it's fame was buried away as the main site search only shows the topic you posted about him fashionably having a pop at Microsoft.

Why is it trolling when questioning the validity and purpose of an article?

This article is nothing more than self promoting and it's sole purpose is to acquire publicity by ridicule.

Really Gareth, it must have been a slow news day, maybe?
Gareth Halfacree 26th June 2013, 12:47 Quote
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Originally Posted by Snips
In a forum post was it? fair enough, shame it's fame was buried away as the main site search only shows the topic you posted about him fashionably having a pop at Microsoft.
Oh, dear. Haven't been paying too much attention, have you? Tip: go look at the by-line on the story. Note the complete lack of the words "Gareth" and "Halfacree." If you're going to criticise something, it would be good if you actually read it.

Speaking of reading things: this has been one of the most-read stories from the past week or so. Back to that 'popularity' thing. Yes, it paints your beloved Microsoft in a bad light. Want that to stop happening? Get Microsoft to stop making bad decisions.
yodasarmpit 26th June 2013, 13:10 Quote
Like Snips, the first I've heard of the game was in this article.
Snips 26th June 2013, 13:36 Quote
Be good for you to read mine as well. Did I criticise YOU PERSONNALLY for writing it?

Isn't it the decision of the Fez developer not to bring it to Xbox?

Thanks yodasarmpit ;)
Shirty 26th June 2013, 13:37 Quote
To be fair, whether we've heard about Phil Fish or Fez before (I hadn't but I don't do much indie gaming), it's obviously news being given a modicum of attention from other sites with a gaming bias, so he must hold some sway.
Gareth Halfacree 26th June 2013, 13:40 Quote
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Originally Posted by Snips
Be good for you to read mine as well. Did I criticise YOU PERSONNALLY for writing it?
I assure you, I have read each of your posts thoroughly. I didn't say that you were criticising me personally, merely that through a lack of attention you had been labouring under the misapprehension that I wrote the story. Which I did not. You see, when I criticise you for unimaginative trolling and a bias rarely seen outside Redmond Campus, I make sure I'm paying attention to the facts.
Snips 26th June 2013, 13:49 Quote
"Really Gareth, it must have been a slow news day, maybe? "

Maybe you read this incorrectly.

Trolling? Why? because I question an articles content and purpose?
Gareth Halfacree 26th June 2013, 13:58 Quote
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Originally Posted by Snips
"Really Gareth, it must have been a slow news day, maybe? " Maybe you read this incorrectly.
Or, perhaps, I read this entirely correctly:
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Originally Posted by Snips
... the topic you posted ...
(Emphasis mine.)

Are you now saying you didn't believe me to be the author? Because I'm not sure that's going to wash.
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Originally Posted by Snips
Trolling? Why? because I question an articles content and purpose?
No, because you post things like this:
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Originally Posted by Snips
[In response to carefully cited evidence that Fez is a very popular game.] So does that make it popular then?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Snips
[In response to an argument that a developer who sells hundreds of thousands of copies of his independent game might be newsworthy.] So it was mentioned on this site before then?

That's what makes you a troll, Snips. The trolling.
Snips 26th June 2013, 14:11 Quote
"Just because you haven't heard of something doesn't mean it's not popular! I've heard of Fez on the PC but I've never played it. "

So does that make it popular then?

"If they have something interesting to say and sales in the hundreds of thousands, then why the hell not? Also, you don't speak for all gamers - as hundreds of thousands of people who have heard of Phil Fish and Fez and even paid actual money for the game will attest.

Perhaps you're just not as well informed as you'd like to think, hmm? Finger slipping off the pulse a little, there? Never mind. We won't think any less of you for it. "

So it was mentioned on this site before then?

Really Gareth, really?
Shirty 26th June 2013, 14:17 Quote
I'm gonna go there and suggest a cleanup. :|
Gareth Halfacree 26th June 2013, 14:17 Quote
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Originally Posted by Snips
[snip]
Amazing. Right, we're done here. Putting my BT hat back on: any more posts in this thread from Snips or Gareth Halfacree prolonging this argument will be deleted by the moderation team without discussion. On-topic discussion of the content of the story - to whit, the restrictions on independent developers enforced by Microsoft on the Xbox One and Phil Fish's resultant decision to move the Fez series away from Xbox Live and to rival platforms - will, naturally, be permitted from anyone without restriction.

Fin.
Snips 26th June 2013, 18:59 Quote
Amazing indeed.

Any comment from Microsoft on the "restrictions on independent developers enforced by Microsoft on the Xbox One" to back up this well known and respected complainant?

It would be a shame if all we did was get the details of the problem from one source who already sounds bias from his original experience with Microsoft Xbox Live when other independent developers have seemed to prosper from the very same alleged flawed process.
Unicorn 26th June 2013, 23:35 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Snips
"Just because you haven't heard of something doesn't mean it's not popular! I've heard of Fez on the PC but I've never played it. "

So does that make it popular then?

I barely noticed that you responded to my post. Don't you know how the quote button works?
My statement makes Fez popular about as much as the fact that you've never heard of it makes it unpopular you clever, unrelenting troll you.
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