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80GB PS3 has 'limited backwards compatibility'

80GB PS3 has 'limited backwards compatibility'

With only 'limited backwards compatibility' in the new 80Gb PS3, gamers may miss out on some classy retro titles.

Sony recently announced a new version of the PlayStation 2 and PlayStation 3, as well as price cuts to the PS3 line. You may have heard about it.

What it hasn't been so quick to announce to PlayStation fanboys however is that the new 80GB version of the PlayStation 3 which was unveiled not long ago will have only "limited backward compatibility with PlayStation and PlayStation 2 format software." according to blurb on the box, copies of which can be found here.

The limited BC comes as a result of a move away from the BC chip originally used in US PlayStation 3s. Instead, Sony has opted to use the European software BC method in the 80GB PS3.

There is no news yet on whether the same move will be made in other versions of the PS3, but some of us are already anticipating it as an attempt to cut costs in the PS3 and thus justify the recent $100 price reduction in America.

With that said, European gamers won't notice a difference - we're used to limited BC, being ignored in price cuts and just generally being mistreated by Sony. On the plus side though, we...oh, no there isn't a plus side. Ah well.

Of course, backwards compatibility is really just an added extra on any console as the focus should always be on moving forwards with new games. Sony has been recently having trouble in this regard too, but things are finally starting to look up for PS3 gamers with games like PAIN set to arrive on the console in the future.

You like backwards compatibility, or is it all about the new releases? Hate Sony or love PS3? State your fanboy allegiances in the forums.

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mikeuk2004 10th July 2007, 12:22 Quote
link to forum does not work.

Anyway, this has basicly already been covered. The european ps3's had the chip removed to go with the software they originally were going to use what wasnt ready for USA launch. So it was ready and we get the PS3 with software only and not the chip. It would then be asumed that the chip would be fazed out of the USA PS3's which looks like they are with the 80Gb models.

To me this is not news and is just part of what they have already been doing.
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What it hasn't been so quick to announce to PlayStation fanboys

Dont you mean "what it hasnt been quick to announce to Playstation haters that want to slate Sony is...."

Why is everyone that wants a Playstation called a Fanboy, Stop using the word fanboy and use the word consumer.
DXR_13KE 10th July 2007, 12:44 Quote
the problem is that one of the things that Sony feeds the customer is that all of its consoles are always backwards compatible, most of my friends think that the ps3 will play every PS and PS2 game and call me a fool when i try to explain them the truth.
and i loled at the scooter racing picture. :D

edit: link in the article not working!
edit: werking now
EQC 10th July 2007, 18:09 Quote
Anybody want to find the actual facts on this? Before overblowing the term "limited backwards compatibility," shouldn't we look up what percentage of older games that are backwards compatible in the current European version? According to a quick internet search, even the hardware emulation was "only" advertised as 98% backwards compatibility...so you could never expect *every* old game to work.

IIRC, the EU PS3 is MUCH more backwards compatible than the 360 is, and both are using software to do it. And, with firmware updates, the software emulation has the potential to get better.

A quick look at this website may be of interest: http://faq.eu.playstation.com/bc/

-- all the titles they list there are PS1 and PS2 games that should play on the PS3 -- most with "no issues," some with "minor issues," and some are "playable, but with noticeable issues"

can anybody tell if that site lists EVERY old game...or if they're just listing the ones that work? If they are listing every game, it looks pretty decent to me.
DougEdey 10th July 2007, 18:12 Quote
It lists almost all, but surprisingly (for me) FF7 doesn't work 100%
Veles 10th July 2007, 20:02 Quote
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Originally Posted by EQC
IIRC, the EU PS3 is MUCH more backwards compatible than the 360 is, and both are using software to do it. And, with firmware updates, the software emulation has the potential to get better.

Sortware emulation backwards compatibility is absolute crap, as both consoles have shown. Yes, you can update it, but my experience of the 360's emulation is just to not bother, if you have an Xbox, play it on that, and MS have had a dedicated team working on it for a very long time, so I'd hate to think what the PS3's is like.

IMO, if you're not gonna bother with hardware backwards compatibility, just don't bother at all.
DXR_13KE 10th July 2007, 20:14 Quote
if you are gonna bother with backwards compatibility then buy the old console on ebay or somewhere else..... and most of the time it works better.

and don't say like "why 10 devices under your TV if you can have 1" because i will say to you "if you have only 1 device that does all of the work, what will happen when that device stops working?".
EQC 10th July 2007, 21:03 Quote
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Originally Posted by Veles
Sortware emulation backwards compatibility is absolute crap, as both consoles have shown...my experience of the 360's emulation is just to not bother, if you have an Xbox, play it on that, and MS have had a dedicated team working on it for a very long time, so I'd hate to think what the PS3's is like.

IMO, if you're not gonna bother with hardware backwards compatibility, just don't bother at all.

You said "both consoles" there, but only have evidence from the 360. Who's to say Sony doesn't have a dedicated team working on software backwards compatibility? And who's to say that Microsoft's team is doing much of anything? There are still new PS2 games coming out...when was the last time a regular XBox game came out? I think Sony has a bigger motivation to support backwards compatibility than does Microsoft -- and I think this is evidenced by the fact that Sony initially put the hardware for BC in there in the first place...and they're phasing out the hardware now, perhaps indicating they've got a good handle on Software BC.

I don't know either way...but it seems like all the bashing about this around the web is mainly based on the 360's poor performance at Software BC. But the companies and the consoles involved are completely different animals... Anybody here have experience with the Software BC of the PS3? Anybody find a site that lists the percentage of PS1/2 titles that work on the PS3 with Software BC? Anybody have a *real* good comparison of BC between the 360 and PS3?

That site I listed earlier seems to indicate many many games work just fine under Software BC on the PS3, and more work but with a few issues.
DXR_13KE 10th July 2007, 22:22 Quote
i think it is stupid to buy a current gen console to play last gen games....... but thats me.
KMS-oul 10th July 2007, 22:41 Quote
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Originally Posted by DXR_13KE
i think it is stupid to buy a current gen console to play last gen games....... but thats me.

I don't agree.

With the relability of some consoles like the 360 people are going to be left with a pile of games with nothing to play them on in the future. I still play my snes from time to time. If the snes was as reliable as the 360 and the PS2 then mine would have been dead long ago. Thats why I think BC is important.
Spaceraver 10th July 2007, 23:53 Quote
NES anyone?? Or even the good old non colour GB is more sturdy than any console on the market.. That said, ill never buy another console unless i really have to.
CardJoe 11th July 2007, 09:27 Quote
I love BC if its possible, I can live without it if it isn't. Being able to play original burnout on a 360 is just a great reason to sell the original xbox and get some games cash.
devdevil85 11th July 2007, 16:16 Quote
Joe, you hit it on the head, with me atleast. BC is something I love, but I can live without it if it's really THAT big of a deal. Of course with the PS3 BC isn't really that big of an issue with atleast 80% of all PS1/PS2 games working in software emulation, so honestly I would almost come to expect it, but again it's not THAT big of a deal. I do like the idea of being able to sell my old consoles for some cash to help ease the financial hit of buying a new expensive console.
CardJoe 11th July 2007, 16:20 Quote
For once, we agree DevDevil. :D
devdevil85 11th July 2007, 19:46 Quote
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For once, we agree DevDevil. :D
Don't expect too many of these though! hehe jk I liked your statement about how PC's are better than consoles. Another thing we both agree on.
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