Blu-ray takes early lead in HD Format War

Sony takes an early lead in the HD Format War and Blu-ray is outselling HD DVD by 2:1.

Blu-ray has managed to outsell its rival, HD DVD, by a ratio of more than two to one in the first quarter of this year, according to market research figures published by Home Media Magazine.

Of the 1.2 million high-definition discs sold between January 1st and March 31st of this year, 832,530 Blu-ray discs were sold, compared to only 359,300 HD DVD discs. In March, the situation was even more favourable for Sony's format, as consumers bought 335,980 Blu-ray discs and 119,570 HD DVDs.

Indeed, Blu-ray has already gone past the one million mark since its launch in June 2006, while HD DVD is still yet to break that barrier, despite being launched two months earlier. Current research shows that consumers have bought around 937,500 HD DVD discs.

Rather unsurprisingly, the current top ten chart for high-definition disc sales is dominated by Sony's format, with eight of the ten slots occupied by Blu-ray titles.

Given the choice on titles like The Departed, which was launched on both Blu-ray and HD DVD on February 13th, the majority have opted for the Blu-ray version, which sold 53,640, compared to 31,590 on HD DVD, according to the research.

I'm not quite sure whether these market research figures take into account the fact that Sony has been bundling titles like Casino Royale with its PlayStation 3 console, because those should be counted in total sales. The PS3 has undoubtedly had an effect on these figures, because it's lowered the barrier of entry for Blu-ray, because HD DVD players are almost half the price of the cheapest Blu-ray players out there. However, the HD Format War is still in its early days, so it's hard to pick a long term winner -- Sony has merely won the latest battle.

Have you invested into the HD market and if so, which way did you swing? Let us know in the forums.
Quote DougEdey 25th April 2007, 13:53
You're missing some vital information here I think.

1) What country was the survey taken in? (I'm going to assume the US)

2) It was a survey, when people say that they bought a disc, did they mean that they bought a player with a disc bundled? Or did they buy a disc separately? (I see you noted this aswell for PS3s)

3) Where is the actual figures? The link is just to second hand values with no definitive source.
Quote supermonkey 25th April 2007, 14:17
We've seen from the VHS/Beta war that consumers won't necessarily adopt the highest quality format; price and availability is more of a concern for the average John Q. Public.

I read the other day that Wal-Mart will now begin carrying HD-DVD titles in its stores. I think that's going to have a huge impact to the market. Wal-Mart works very closely with the music industry, and it's known that whether or not Wal-Mart chooses to carry a particular artist can mean the difference between pop star and one-hit wonder. does this translate to the video industry?

Given Wal-Mart's ability to define a market, I wonder what impact this will have on home video sales. Will consumers continue to purchase Blu-Ray discs, or will people start buying HD-DVDs on the mere fact that they recongnize the letters, and because the discs are cheaper? Hey, it says "HD-DVD," so it must be better, right?

-monkey
Quote UnkleRosco 25th April 2007, 14:25
Well over here its fairly hard to find HD-dvds... There's BR nearly everywhere. I think thats all to do with the PS3, anywhere that sells the PS3 sells the BR discs...

In honesty there's hardly anything decent enough to warrant a purchase, i'm waiting for the BBCs Planet Earth to come out on HD. Its the only title i've wanted to get since i got the player..
Quote Flibblebot 25th April 2007, 16:08
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Originally Posted by supermonkey
We've seen from the VHS/Beta war that consumers won't necessarily adopt the highest quality format; price and availability is more of a concern for the average John Q. Public.

I read the other day that Wal-Mart will now begin carrying HD-DVD titles in its stores. I think that's going to have a huge impact to the market. Wal-Mart works very closely with the music industry, and it's known that whether or not Wal-Mart chooses to carry a particular artist can mean the difference between pop star and one-hit wonder. does this translate to the video industry?

Given Wal-Mart's ability to define a market, I wonder what impact this will have on home video sales. Will consumers continue to purchase Blu-Ray discs, or will people start buying HD-DVDs on the mere fact that they recongnize the letters, and because the discs are cheaper? Hey, it says "HD-DVD," so it must be better, right?

-monkey
Not only are Wal-Mart going to start carrying HD DVD titles in their stores, they're also going to start selling cheap (about $299) HD DVD players too (although there is some confusion about the press release from the Chinese manufacturer as to whether they mean HD DVD or BluRay).

Wal-Mart have a massive effect - their Black Friday, post-Thanksgiving sales drive of the 42" Panasonic plasma screen (where they sold the screens at sub-$1000 prices) has been cited as a factor for Circuit City closing stores and laying off staff.
Quote Tim S 25th April 2007, 16:09
You're definitely right... Wal-Mart will have a massive impact. :)
Quote bilbothebaggins 25th April 2007, 18:17
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Originally Posted by article
... the HD Format War is still in its early days, so it's hard to pick a long term winner ...

Haven't all three sides already lost by starting this war in the first place?
At the rate we have seen the past years, I rather doubt there will be any long term victory to be had, because we will see the next format soon enough

br,
-btb-
Quote LVMike 25th April 2007, 18:28
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Originally Posted by UnkleRosco
Well over here its fairly hard to find HD-dvds... There's BR nearly everywhere. I think thats all to do with the PS3, anywhere that sells the PS3 sells the BR discs...

In honesty there's hardly anything decent enough to warrant a purchase, i'm waiting for the BBCs Planet Earth to come out on HD. Its the only title i've wanted to get since i got the player..


Amazon listed it at 69$ for HD-DVD and blu-ray. the Discovery Channel listed it at 80$ ( for the Disocvery Branded discs) Who does the naration in the BBC version? This has to be one of the best series ever relieased on HDTV.


im just going to get a hybrid player, that way i wont worry
Quote rupbert 25th April 2007, 18:59
As far as I'm aware there were only two HD-DVD movies released between February and March; that would be a big factor for low sales...
Quote Veles 25th April 2007, 19:48
All these studios were all bitchy about the disks needing DRM and then they go and not put stuff on the bloody things XD
Quote valium 25th April 2007, 20:26
Can we not post 1 sided un-proven format war FUD on Bit-Tech? There was an article on /. just yesterday about HD-DVD outselling blue-ray due to Wal-Mart making the push for HD-DVD.

Bit-Tech is better than this.
Quote aggies11 25th April 2007, 20:32
I don't care who wins the format war, so long as there is indeed a winner, and the market settles on something.

That being said, looking atThis recent ars technica article you can see that the "2:1" angle is being pushed for a reason.

If blu-ray only sold 3 discs, and HD-DVD 1, then that'd be 3:1. Obviously "outsold" by 3-1 sounds better than "we beat them by only 2 discs". When the absolute numbers are low, it sounds better when you use percentages and ratios. It makes the lead seem bigger than it is.

So while discs to date, blu-ray has a lead of several hundred thousand, the best selling dvd of the week, moves 4million units. Thats one single title. Something like Peter Pan, which is not even a hollywood blockbuster, will do 2million units.

Taking the context into perspective and we see that these early sales numbers are too small to matter much. If we imagine that next-gen discs get 10% of the market that DVD's do, then all it would take is one single title, to sway the lead in either direction. And we aren't even there yet.

When the total sales of next gen discs to date, don't equal 1 week sales of a regular DVD, the numbers are just too small to get any real perspective.

Aggies
Quote Phil Rhodes 25th April 2007, 23:39
Ya-haaawn.

Someone wake me when this **** fit is over.

Phil

PS - Oh, puhleease, we're censoring?
Quote devdevil85 26th April 2007, 00:01
IPTV will ooooowwwwwnnnnnzzzzzz all!
Quote ỒĊBłůē 26th April 2007, 00:22
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Originally Posted by LVMike
Who does the naration in the BBC version?
David Attenborough; one of the World's best loved naturalists, and arguably unrivaled when it comes to the presenting and narration of nature programs.

I happened to see some of 'March of the Penguins' recently, and why they didn't get him to narrate the English language version I'll never know.

[/soapbox] :D
Quote Breach 26th April 2007, 00:59
Yeah...a few thousand discs is not what i would call a major commercial success for either. Blu-Ray has in no way beaten anything. Obvioulsy Sony made their own advantage selling game consoles with the player in it to spur the Blu Ray revolution. HD-DVD didnt have that advantage.

Both formats could still share the same fate as Laserdisc and BetaMax, they both had some numbers too at first.
Quote Colonel Sanders 26th April 2007, 01:15
According to this link Only two studios (Universal and Weinstein) support HD-DVD alone. Weinstein is not one of "the big seven studios" so simply put, I kinda doubt they Weinstein will have much effect.

This is opinion alone, I don't feel that Universal is a great studio - I mean there are some great Universal movies, but my DVD collection is quite lacking in Universal movies.

I simply hope this format war ends soon. I'll admit, I'm biased, I love Sony, and the PS3, and I dispise MS, Bill Gates, Windows and all things related to the X-Box 360. BUT I think the current studio support is pretty strong for Blu-Ray.

L J
Quote glaeken 26th April 2007, 03:28
It also helps when you are a major motion picture company...
Quote valium 26th April 2007, 08:03
Quote:
Originally Posted by Colonel Sanders
According to this link Only two studios (Universal and Weinstein) support HD-DVD alone. Weinstein is not one of "the big seven studios" so simply put, I kinda doubt they Weinstein will have much effect.

This is opinion alone, I don't feel that Universal is a great studio - I mean there are some great Universal movies, but my DVD collection is quite lacking in Universal movies.

I simply hope this format war ends soon. I'll admit, I'm biased, I love Sony, and the PS3, and I dispise MS, Bill Gates, Windows and all things related to the X-Box 360. BUT I think the current studio support is pretty strong for Blu-Ray.

L J

I think you highly underestimate the Weinstein company, they are actually quite big and have their interest in a lot of shows, movies, etc.
Quote DougEdey 26th April 2007, 08:09
Weinstein as in Harvey Weinstein?

IIRC they make a lot of TV.
Quote Brooxy 2nd May 2007, 18:23
Quote:
Originally Posted by valium
Can we not post 1 sided un-proven format war FUD on Bit-Tech? There was an article on /. just yesterday about HD-DVD outselling blue-ray due to Wal-Mart making the push for HD-DVD.

Bit-Tech is better than this.

It's hardly one sided, news comes as and when, and if a barrage of news related to HD comes at once, then so be it.

Knowing this war, they'll be summat on blue-ray soon

Personally I don't care, we all know it'll end with hybrid players, allowing people to get either format. At which point, it won't really matter what outsells what...
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