The quantum processor.  Looks neat.

The quantum processor. Looks neat.

Quantum computing has been threatening to kill off traditional digital computing for a long time now, with various scientific journals hailing its approach. Well, perhaps a few years earlier than we expected, the world has seen the first demonstration of a commercial grade quantum computer in action.

A quick primer: quantum computers don't rely on bits to structure data. Instead, they work by assuming that the quantum properties of particles can be used to represent data structures. Rather than bits, these quantum data structures are called qubits. Since quantum computers deal with such tiny, tiny measurements and nuances - the behaviour of matter and energy at the subatomic scale - the potential for computing power is absolutely massive.

At least, I'm pretty sure that's what Wikipedia says.

DWave Systems is a Canadian company, and they've built working hardware that computes at a quantum level. They're running 16-bit qubit computations at the moment, but hope to expand that to 32-qubit by the end of the year.

To work, the hardware has to be chilled down to -273 degrees centigrade. That's colder than outer space, and would make for a pretty decent Core 2 Duo overclock, we suspect.

"D-Wave's breakthrough in quantum technology represents a substantial step forward in solving commercial and scientific problems which, until now, were considered intractable. Digital technology stands to reap the benefits of enhanced performance and broader application," said Herb Martin, chief executive officer, according to DailyTech.

Because of the massive scale that quantum physics operates on, quantum computers are thought to be perfect for solving problems that are simply to great for traditional computers to operate on, such as life sciences and theoretical physics. In theory, a single quantum computer should be multiple times more powerful than the fastest supercomputer cluster in existence today.

It's unlikely that we're going to see quantum computers on the desktop any time soon, but it seems like Ray Kurtzweil's theory of technological singularity, where machines are more intelligent than people, could be upon us.

What do you make of all this technological insanity? Let us know over in the forums.
Quote oasked 15th February 2007, 11:01
You do realise that absolute zero is at -273.15°C...
Quote specofdust 15th February 2007, 11:02
Great news, the power of these things are just looking to blow regular computers out of the water, and unleash more power to us home users(in time) than we could ever want or need. However the tech is young and will need an absolute tonne of development before it's going to be doing much I imagine.

Not to mention the significant technical problems in a home user chilling their CPU down to 0.15 degrees centigrade above 0 Kelvin(0 kelvin = absolute zero, there ain't no colder then that, and time tends to stop there).
Quote Phil Rhodes 15th February 2007, 11:08
Theoretical physics?

OK - what am I not seeing here - we have to make giant advances in theoretical physics so as to be able to make a quantum processor, which will allow us to make giant advances in theoretical physics.

Er, marvellous. I think.

Technological singularity, anyone?

Phil
Quote _DTM2000_ 15th February 2007, 11:14
Let's just hope it doesn't become self aware. :D
Quote g3n3tiX 15th February 2007, 11:34
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simply to great
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Although this technology is considered at its beginning, it looks promising.
Quote Darkedge 15th February 2007, 11:37
Well not quite as cut and dried as you think - Quantum computers will not replace traditional computers but will be useful in some areas - they work in a totally different manner and the problems of inference is massive that may mean more than 16bit may not be possible.
Even the company that built this one has said it may actually be a digital computer that behaves very oddly not a quantum one, so don;t start going all paranoid or techlusty over Ai's or anything just yet.
Quote BlueDemon 15th February 2007, 11:50
As oasked pointed out, -273 degrees centigrade is nigh on absolute zero. I can't think of a way of reaching such low-low temperatures, as machinery simply falls apart when chilled to such extremes. Even then, it would most definitely not be viable on a commercial level.
Quote r4tch3t 15th February 2007, 12:17
These would be quite useful (once they get some decent processing power) for use in places like CERN, JET, and such similar places, as they already have the ability to cool it down that far, and they are researching stuff that a quantum computer would be great for.
What happens if you stick your finger in it?
Quote Veles 15th February 2007, 14:11
Space isn't cold...

Sounds err...confusing.
Quote boggsi 15th February 2007, 15:49
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Originally Posted by Veles
Space isn't cold...

Sounds err...confusing.


absence of thermal energy = cold, background microwaves in deep space ~ 3K. cold enough in my books!
Quote Veles 15th February 2007, 16:30
Well seeing as there is mostly nothing in space aside from the odd planet or two. I'd say it's more no temperature, rather than "cold". Cold doesn't really exist either, it just means, a low temperature, a low thermal energy, if there is no thermal energy, there is no heat of any kind, so there can't be any "cold". Stick something like a nebula there, and then there is a mass, there is thermal energy, so it is "cold".
Quote Fod 15th February 2007, 16:42
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Well seeing as there is mostly nothing in space aside from the odd planet or two. I'd say it's more no temperature, rather than "cold". Cold doesn't really exist either, it just means, a low temperature, a low thermal energy, if there is no thermal energy, there is no heat of any kind, so there can't be any "cold". Stick something like a nebula there, and then there is a mass, there is thermal energy, so it is "cold".

you're either being deeply philosophical or a complete ****. lack of heat == cold.
Quote randosome 15th February 2007, 17:44
gotta love how bit tech articles digress so :p

Heat is just particles moving, the more the particles move (or vibrate) the hotter something is
Therefore, cold is in fact particles moving less, and at absolute 0, the particles stop moving altogether (even at very cold temperatures, they are moving slowly)
In space heat (or the energy) just dissipates, everything loses its energy in space so it seems "cold"

I do have to wonder how they managed to achieve such a low temperature though, i thought something that cold was still impossible for humans
Also, when your measuring atoms and such, wouldn't you want them to be moving ?
Also, technically wouldn't this mean the hotter a quantum chip is, the faster it could (theoretically) run
Quote jezmck 15th February 2007, 18:51
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-273 degrees centigrade
<pedant>You mean 'Celsius'</pedant>
Quote Veles 15th February 2007, 19:39
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Originally Posted by randosome
gotta love how bit tech articles digress so :p

Heat is just particles moving, the more the particles move (or vibrate) the hotter something is
Therefore, cold is in fact particles moving less, and at absolute 0, the particles stop moving altogether (even at very cold temperatures, they are moving slowly)
In space heat (or the energy) just dissipates, everything loses its energy in space so it seems "cold"

Exactly, in space, or at least in most of space where there are no particles, a complete vacuum, there can be no particles vibrating, no particles storing thermal energy. So it's not that theres a low temperature, there is NO temperature.

Cold is a completely subjective term, something CANNOT be just described as cold scientifically, you can say space is colder than my fridge, implying my fridge has a higher temperature than space, but just saying my fridge is cold doesn't make sense.
Quote DeX 15th February 2007, 23:42
Veles, space isn't a complete vacuum. Interstellar space has about 1 hydrogen atom ber cm3. Even in the loneliest parts of the universe between the galaxies where everything would be pitchblack you still find a proton or electron per m3. In any case the reason that space has a temperature of around 3K is not because of these particles but because of background microwave radiation. This is the remenants of the big bang "cooling off" and no matter where you are in space you can't escape it.
Quote r4tch3t 16th February 2007, 01:04
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Originally Posted by randosome
Also, when your measuring atoms and such, wouldn't you want them to be moving ?
Also, technically wouldn't this mean the hotter a quantum chip is, the faster it could (theoretically) run
From what I understand (haven't read wikipedia yet, will get round to it sometime) Quantum computing measures extremely small changes in the atoms, so if it was at say room temperature, the atoms would be moving so much, that they couldn't properly measure it.
Quote Veles 16th February 2007, 01:18
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Veles, space isn't a complete vacuum. Interstellar space has about 1 hydrogen atom ber cm3. Even in the loneliest parts of the universe between the galaxies where everything would be pitchblack you still find a proton or electron per m3. In any case the reason that space has a temperature of around 3K is not because of these particles but because of background microwave radiation. This is the remenants of the big bang "cooling off" and no matter where you are in space you can't escape it.

Even so, the energy of a wave isn't thermal energy? But then, wave particle duality, etc. so I guess it's thermal energy as well. However, the statement that space isn't cold is still true, but by a different argument :p

But anyway, if you want to go out on an EVA you need a cooling suit not a heating suit. But thats something different entirely.
Quote brumster 18th February 2007, 12:32
Sorry to drag this back to the article but has the hardware been independently examined? Seems like hype to me.
Quote randosome 18th February 2007, 13:36
i thought they believed that space was actually filled with some particles that we don't know about ... (maybe just in theory)

brumster - i don't think it has been independently examined, I'm a little cautious about it because i find it hard to believe that they managed to achieve almost absolute 0 temperatures
This article was on slashdot and there were comments that it wasn't a true quantum computer, but has features that quantum computer have - also it seems quantum computers are actually not very good at (current) normal computing tasks
Quote bumfluff 18th February 2007, 15:18
HMMM meaning of life here we come...
Quote Brooxy 18th February 2007, 20:02
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HMMM meaning of life here we come...

42 :(

Anyway, commercial? At that temperature, how close can you get before you start feeling a tad frostbitten?

We have a long wait yet methinks....
Quote samkiller42 18th February 2007, 22:41
Hum, does look interesting, as does some of the posts in this thread.

Sam
Quote Toka 19th February 2007, 14:13
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Originally Posted by randosome
I do have to wonder how they managed to achieve such a low temperature though, i thought something that cold was still impossible for humans

To the best of my knowledge the lowest T yet achieved in the lab is something like 80 picokelvin. Although this may have been lowered recently. This is what all the clever physicists do when they want to discover stuff like Bose - Einstein states, or get their funding renewed. Nanokelvin temperatures are now considered routine (1 x 10^-9 Kelvin) in the lab and are reached by both traping and expanding some atoms in uhv, but as Im a chemist and not a physicist Ill let you google 'how do I make nanokelvin stuff' for yourselves.

The 5 milikelvin that they quote in the paper is actually quite a high temperature as far as experimantal physics is concerned, there are quite a few telescopes of various design that work in this temperature range, as well as a few SQUIDs and other spectroscopic instruments.
Quote Veles 19th February 2007, 17:09
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Originally Posted by Brooxy
42 :(

nah it's 12 :p
Quote Adnuo 19th February 2007, 20:12
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Originally Posted by Toka
To the best of my knowledge the lowest T yet achieved in the lab is something like 80 picokelvin. Although this may have been lowered recently. This is what all the clever physicists do when they want to discover stuff like Bose - Einstein states, or get their funding renewed. Nanokelvin temperatures are now considered routine (1 x 10^-9 Kelvin) in the lab and are reached by both traping and expanding some atoms in uhv, but as Im a chemist and not a physicist Ill let you google 'how do I make nanokelvin stuff' for yourselves.

The 5 milikelvin that they quote in the paper is actually quite a high temperature as far as experimantal physics is concerned, there are quite a few telescopes of various design that work in this temperature range, as well as a few SQUIDs and other spectroscopic instruments.

Thank you for proving to me that new posters aren't all babbling idiots full of "OMG YES :D :D :) :) :)"
Quote Duste 19th February 2007, 22:31
This reminds me of something my Chemistry teacher was telling me last year, how electron pairs are attempting to be being used for data transfer - whatever happens to one will happen to another, which would mean almost instant data transfer across the world.

Quite revolutionary, but I doubt I'll see either of these technologies in my house any time soon. :'(
Quote Journeyer 10th August 2007, 07:36
I've read about this in a couple of other publications which, apart from Scientific American, are all native to my Country. It is more like a "hybrid" computer, and not a "true" quantum computer. There are, however, true quantum computers in existence today, though I seem to remember they haven't gotten past the 10+10 stage yet. But the technology is sound, and the prospect is incredible.

There are also other, somewhat more exotic commmputer technologies under development. Among which are DNA-computers which also seem very promising in particular for medical research.
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