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Windows Vista will be available on the Windows Marketplace - will authorisation techniques put a stop to piracy?

Windows Vista will be available on the Windows Marketplace - will authorisation techniques put a stop to piracy?

Microsoft has taken the novel step of allowing users to buy Vista online and download it. It will be available through the Windows Marketplace at the same time as retail copies - although only to customers in the States, initially.

Previous versions of Windows have only been sold on physical media, with the thought being that digital distribution makes things easier to copy.

Digital distribution of Windows marks a change in strategy and attitude in Microsoft, when it comes to piracy. Digital distribution is a recognition that physical media, no matter what the copy protection, is not hard to copy, and so the answer to piracy does not lie in making things harder to copy - it lies, as MS has proved with Windows Genuine Advantage, in making copied software useless unless authorised.

It's also an indication of Microsoft's direction when it comes to digital distribution - we've already seen Xbox 360 starting to move content acquisition online, and this is an indication that Windows is going the same way.

MS clearly has confidence in its ability to prevent pirated copies of Windows from being authorised for use, especially given the lack of 'FCKGW' business keys this time around.

This is especially true, given that all versions of Vista come on the one DVD. Whether you buy Home Basic or Ultimate, you'll get the same disc - the only difference is the activation key which brings online your desired version. Clearly, Microserfs are supremely sure that its latest authorisation technology will keep users honest. Given what we've seen of hacking Vista so far, they could well be right - keeping Vista hacked is possibly more hassle than its worth.

Microsoft also announced its plan for family licenses for the operating system. If you buy Ultimate, with its extravagant price tag, you can get two licenses for Home Premium for a mere $50 each, meaning you can legally upgrade your parents' computer, rather than leaving them in an XP-laden lurch.

Will you upgrade to Vista? Have you had much joy in hacking it? Let us know your thoughts over in the forums.
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Quote DougEdey 19th January 2007, 12:04
Is it going to be cheaper then buying the physical media?

EDIT: They've been doing this for years via services like MSDN(AA)
Quote Cabe 19th January 2007, 12:09
given how little the physical media costs as a percentage of the purchase price I doubt it.
Quote Djpuk 19th January 2007, 12:24
My dealer version arrived in the post yesterday, I wonder why that was not a download, it would have saved them some money.
Not installing right now though, I still have a number of apps internally that do not run 100% correctly just yet.
Quote mikeuk2004 19th January 2007, 12:38
I may consider getting a real licence sometime next year when i upgrade. I have not had a real licence since win 95. Everything since has not been worth paying for as its been buggy and crap.
Quote DXR_13KE 19th January 2007, 12:41
if it is cheaper, ok, if not #$%& them.
i will get vista as soon as i update my pc and need it.
Quote cyrilthefish 19th January 2007, 13:27
I'm sure the much easier way for microsoft to reduce the amount of pirating for windows would be to simply make the thing affordable for the average family. The price is too expensive for one PC, but when you think of the many homes that have more that one PC, the price skyrockets to ludicrous levels.

<rant off>

Back on topic though: it being available to download is a very good thing :) Should have done the same with XP really.
Quote Swafeman 19th January 2007, 13:29
dont be stupid

a cinema ticket costs 4 quid, yet people pirate movies more than anything else

even if it was cheaper, people would still try and get it for free!
Quote specofdust 19th January 2007, 13:41
Quote:
dont be stupid

a cinema ticket costs 4 quid, yet people pirate movies more than anything else

even if it was cheaper, people would still try and get it for free!

Wouldn't mind living near your cinema. A ticket used to cost 4 quid, now it costs £6 or more. And they leave the lights on. And people talk on mobile phones and make noise more than ever. And all the extras that make the cinema enjoyable have quadrupled in prices in the last few years.

The cinema has been ruined by price gouging and pandering to people who ruin experiences for others.

Yes, there will always be people for whom free is better at any cost. But for the majority of people, if the price is right and the convenience is there(which it can be much more so with a legal product) then they'll take the product. This is why allofmp3 is so succesfull. It costs money, so why would people use it over P2P networks? Simple, it's convenient and reliable and the price is right.

If MS can make things convenient, reliable(and problem free i might add) and get the price right, they'll do well. As it is, they'll do none of the above and still do well, but probably not quite as well.
Quote samkiller42 19th January 2007, 13:47
This is a good idea, its almost following the ideas from EA and its download system EA Link :D

Sam
Quote IccleD 19th January 2007, 13:47
£4?? Where the hell is that?

At my local cinema, it's £7 PER PERSON, thats £14 for the Missus & I, to see a film ONCE, without being able to stop / pause / rewind / look for goofs.

I'm sorry, but I'd rather save my £14 for the DVD, or, because I want to see it now, I'll download it.

Back on Track, if Vista was <£100, I might consider buying it, IF I could use it on all my PCs. However, whilst it's reduced to one PC only, I'll stick with what I have.

As for downloading the software, welcome MS to the next century. Valve/Steam have been doing this for a while, as have others.
Quote Djpuk 19th January 2007, 15:29
Quote:
Originally Posted by DougEdey
Is it going to be cheaper then buying the physical media?

EDIT: They've been doing this for years via services like MSDN(AA)

As Doug says they have been doing this for developers long before the Game boys got in on the act
Quote Fophillips 19th January 2007, 16:21
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeuk2004
I may consider getting a real licence sometime next year when i upgrade. I have not had a real licence since win 95. Everything since has not been worth paying for as its been buggy and crap.
And Vista is different, how?
Quote sadffffff 19th January 2007, 16:34
i can get a copy of vista business from the university for free. so i'll install that on my laptop and desktop. its sanctioned as long as you use it for schoolwork. im also getting a free copy of vista business from MS from the powertogether site.

now if there was just a way to get vista ultimate for free
Quote Tyinsar 19th January 2007, 17:05
The two copies of home premium for $50 (US I Assume) with the purchase of ultimate sounds good - if only the cost of ultimate wasn't nuts.
Quote Snafu-X- 19th January 2007, 18:10
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Originally Posted by Tyinsar
The two copies of home premium for $50 (US I Assume) with the purchase of ultimate sounds good - if only the cost of ultimate wasn't nuts.
Can you link where you read this? I haven't seen anything about it, and I would think MS would advertise the heck out of such a plan.
Quote Tyinsar 19th January 2007, 18:21
It's in the article near the end:
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Originally Posted by Article
Microsoft also announced its plan for family licenses for the operating system. If you buy Ultimate, with its extravagant price tag, you can get two licenses for Home Premium for a mere $50 each, meaning you can legally upgrade your parents' computer, rather than leaving them in an XP-laden lurch.
Quote SNIPERMikeUK 19th January 2007, 19:52
I personally think its software we all need and Microsoft are greedy, OEM Ultimate on overclockers is set to be £135, which I think is just about the right price for Vista Ultimate, shame for system builders who upgrade alot (like myself), and will be most likely buying a few copies at this price or stoopidly shelling out a whopping £350 quid on the retail edition.

I at the moment am using a cheap and cheerful XP HOME with service pack 2 included (cost me about £58), that is what operating systems should cost.
Quote rupbert 20th January 2007, 13:57
Vista Home Premium OEM is £80, which is more than reasonable for an OS that I will be using for at least 4 years...
Quote cpemma 20th January 2007, 14:06
Quote:
Originally Posted by Article
Microsoft also announced its plan for family licenses for the operating system. If you buy Ultimate, with its extravagant price tag, you can get two licenses for Home Premium for a mere $50 each, meaning you can legally upgrade your parents' computer, rather than leaving them in an XP-laden lurch.
That's a long-overdue idea, given the number of two-computer households. I guess Microsoft are piloting States-only to see how many cheat on the deal. Given the current state of morality, I forecast it will be withdrawn PDQ.
Quote gatecrasher1986 20th January 2007, 18:25
Well finally. i do hope that the download is able to be burnt to disk for storage and safe keeping.

The idea for the cheaper extra lisences is an excelent idea and will help quite a bit in my case.
Quote cpemma 20th January 2007, 18:55
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Originally Posted by gatecrasher1986
Well finally. i do hope that the download is able to be burnt to disk for storage and safe keeping.
Like the family packs, the download is USA-only.
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Microsoft has taken the novel step of allowing users to buy Vista online and download it. It will be available through the Windows Marketplace at the same time as retail copies - although only to customers in the States, initially.
And like Adobe, Nero, Corel, etc, if it ever hits the UK the download price won't be less than a good UK store price, probably more. Only advantage I see is if you scratch your DVD; after all, you pay for the key, not the software. :)
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