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CardJoe 30th June 2010, 14:47 Quote
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Originally Posted by Yemerich
So, no mod of the month but ok for a nerf gun mod...

Even being GREAT mods BT is kinda prostituting itself. That makes me sad...

It's not a case of doing this to replace the other. It was supposed to be in addition, but IIRC, MOTM hasn't been possible for other reasons this month.
Redbeaver 30th June 2010, 14:55 Quote
holy hell those guns look pretty damn schweeeeet!

ive heard of nerf guns but never heard of anyone actually modding them..... wow....

/jawdrop

alright, time to stop by toys 'r us after work.
kingjohn 30th June 2010, 14:55 Quote
when i was a teen lad we had weapons real weapons LUGER pistols and single barrel pump action shotguns we were criminals though drug dealing hole in the wall crash and grab raiders that stole and wrecked 911 TURBOs for fun using the brilliant sliding hammer or pop the ig pull the socket plug ours in technique, we loved capatilism with its go and get attitude like dont let anything or one stop u and if they try then get back at them . to worship guns is to worship a false GOD no wonder the world is full of nukes .c you all in HELL not i hope.
Bloody_Pete 30th June 2010, 14:57 Quote
Just remember that if you paint the gun to look like a real gun, gun laws come into effect. I had to deal with this when I was Air Softing. So if you do fully repaint the guns, don't use them in public, as I'm sure the police will have words with you...

I've been wanting one of those Havoks for a long time now, but with 3 extra belts so it'll have a 100 round chain feed...
Bauul 30th June 2010, 15:22 Quote
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Originally Posted by kingjohn
when i was a teen lad we had weapons real weapons LUGER pistols and single barrel pump action shotguns we were criminals though drug dealing hole in the wall crash and grab raiders that stole and wrecked 911 TURBOs for fun using the brilliant sliding hammer or pop the ig pull the socket plug ours in technique, we loved capatilism with its go and get attitude like dont let anything or one stop u and if they try then get back at them . to worship guns is to worship a false GOD no wonder the world is full of nukes .c you all in HELL not i hope.

Wut?
steveo_mcg 30th June 2010, 15:28 Quote
Looks like the Tabloids were right, GTA does rot your brain....
lacuna 30th June 2010, 15:41 Quote
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Originally Posted by Kilmoor
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Originally Posted by lacuna
Preloading the spring with pennies won't improve the power of the gun. The spring rate is constant and isn't affected by static pre-compression.

False. Spring rate is linear, yes, but your thought is too simplistic. Increased preload is an additive force which shortens the time interval over which the piston sweeps the chamber, changing the impulse dynamic. Where else would the flight distance gained from the mod come from?
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There was no mention in the article of any additional flight distance being achieved but if there was I would suggest it was a placebo effect.
kingjohn 30th June 2010, 16:05 Quote
some of you seem to be over fantasising these toys this is of real concern , some of you might need to seek professional help LOL .
Kilmoor 30th June 2010, 16:27 Quote
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Originally Posted by lacuna
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Originally Posted by Kilmoor
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Originally Posted by lacuna
Preloading the spring with pennies won't improve the power of the gun. The spring rate is constant and isn't affected by static pre-compression.

False. Spring rate is linear, yes, but your thought is too simplistic. Increased preload is an additive force which shortens the time interval over which the piston sweeps the chamber, changing the impulse dynamic. Where else would the flight distance gained from the mod come from?
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There was no mention in the article of any additional flight distance being achieved but if there was I would suggest it was a placebo effect.

You're right, there was no mention in the BT article- I had read the links and followed on by visting NerfHaven before posting. One guy even posted statistical distribution plots of range gained. YouTube videos abound. Lots of fun reading followed this article, it all ended up in a candy-colored swirl in my head of plastic toys and puffs of air propelling foam bolts that hiss and sizzle through the air, creating sonic booms that echo through the hallways and bedrooms.

No placebo here. Shimming a spring behind an air piston will increase the distance the bolt can cover. Draw some diagrams if you have to, do some derivations, graph it on your TI-89...
leviathan18 30th June 2010, 17:05 Quote
ok im sold next purchase im getting a nerf gun
geoboy333 30th June 2010, 17:06 Quote
That longshot sniper has made my day!
Phil Rhodes 30th June 2010, 17:17 Quote
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‘Holy hell, I thought that was a real gun!’

I wonder how far down this road you have to go before you're guilty of creating a "realistic imitation firearm", a ridiculous definition which makes it legal for you to shoot someone so long as you paint the gun pink first. Or something.
Combatus 30th June 2010, 17:20 Quote
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Originally Posted by ripmax
Wow some of those guns look really nice. Can't wait until you publish the article on RC stuff since i raced rc cars for a good few years.

I don't suppose you work for Ripmax do you? Importers of RC stuff?
Combatus 30th June 2010, 17:24 Quote
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Originally Posted by Yemerich
So, no mod of the month but ok for a nerf gun mod...

Even being GREAT mods BT is kinda prostituting itself. That makes me sad...
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Originally Posted by CardJoe
It's not a case of doing this to replace the other. It was supposed to be in addition, but IIRC, MOTM hasn't been possible for other reasons this month.

MOTM will be here I promise and with an awesome new sponsor too! Can't exactly put it up before the end of the month now can we ;)
kingjohn 30th June 2010, 17:48 Quote
i love that bill hicks joke about aliens visiting small towns and all the morons take guns to check it out , if it happened for real near NERF-town all the NERF-NECKS would take thier NERF guns too . modded or not . LOL
Altron 30th June 2010, 17:54 Quote
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Originally Posted by Kilmoor
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Originally Posted by lacuna
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Originally Posted by Kilmoor
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Originally Posted by lacuna
Preloading the spring with pennies won't improve the power of the gun. The spring rate is constant and isn't affected by static pre-compression.

False. Spring rate is linear, yes, but your thought is too simplistic. Increased preload is an additive force which shortens the time interval over which the piston sweeps the chamber, changing the impulse dynamic. Where else would the flight distance gained from the mod come from?
---

There was no mention in the article of any additional flight distance being achieved but if there was I would suggest it was a placebo effect.

You're right, there was no mention in the BT article- I had read the links and followed on by visting NerfHaven before posting. One guy even posted statistical distribution plots of range gained. YouTube videos abound. Lots of fun reading followed this article, it all ended up in a candy-colored swirl in my head of plastic toys and puffs of air propelling foam bolts that hiss and sizzle through the air, creating sonic booms that echo through the hallways and bedrooms.

No placebo here. Shimming a spring behind an air piston will increase the distance the bolt can cover. Draw some diagrams if you have to, do some derivations, graph it on your TI-89...

Shimming will indeed increase the force available.

The potential energy held by the spring is half of the spring constant, times the displacement squared. This is the displacement from fully uncompressed.

If you compress a spring from fully uncompressed to being compressed by three inches, your energy is one half of the spring constant times 3^2 - 0^2 = 9 - 0 = 9
If you compress a spring from being compressed by two inches to being compressed by five inches, your energy is one half of the spring constant times 5^2 - 2^2 = 25 - 4 = 21.

That same 3" displacement now has over twice as much potential energy, because it is pre-loaded.

The change in force is the same, but the absolute force is higher, so the change in energy is higher.
Fordy 30th June 2010, 17:57 Quote
Wow, defintion of nerd.

But nevertheless, mod-lust!
Sifter3000 30th June 2010, 18:02 Quote
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Originally Posted by kingjohn
when i was a teen lad we had weapons real weapons LUGER pistols and single barrel pump action shotguns we were criminals though drug dealing hole in the wall crash and grab raiders that stole and wrecked 911 TURBOs for fun using the brilliant sliding hammer or pop the ig pull the socket plug ours in technique, we loved capatilism with its go and get attitude like dont let anything or one stop u and if they try then get back at them . to worship guns is to worship a false GOD no wonder the world is full of nukes .c you all in HELL not i hope.

I never knew we had Snoop Dogg on the tha forums.

Word up, D-oh-double g.
kingjohn 30th June 2010, 18:36 Quote
just telling it like it is was back then . and i love snoop d but more into P E . is bit-tech still doing hat deal with scan on free del if you post 20 x . sifter3000
Sifter3000 30th June 2010, 18:59 Quote
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Originally Posted by kingjohn
just telling it like it is was back then . and i love snoop d but more into P E . is bit-tech still doing hat deal with scan on free del if you post 20 x . sifter3000

Yup, just check the Scan forum...
Chombo 30th June 2010, 19:34 Quote
I always wondered exactly how accurate the "sniper rifle" nerf guns are.

I have long since donated my nerf arsenal to my assorted nephews who have abused them to the point of inoperability. I do find myself tempted to buy another one so I can dominate them but I would hardly use it to make the purchase worth it.

I am really impressed with the level of the mods, I especially like the steampunk ones. Though at this point I am more into modifying my real firearms over nerf ones. But they are still cook nonetheless.
B1GBUD 30th June 2010, 21:03 Quote
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Originally Posted by Yemerich
So, no mod of the month but ok for a nerf gun mod...

Even being GREAT mods BT is kinda prostituting itself. That makes me sad...

Maybe a slow month, but I liked the article. It might even prompt someone to incorporate one into their next PC mod.
HourBeforeDawn 30th June 2010, 21:07 Quote
wow those are awesome, they need to make nerf guns like that, so sick, granted because the orange tips have been painted anyone playing with one can get in trouble with the local law (depending on what your laws are of course). Still neat.
Neversoft 30th June 2010, 21:14 Quote
I can't decide which one is my favorite. The Steampunk Maverick 2 or Nerf WMD...

The Nerf Sniper Rifle is pretty amazing though!
TWeaK 30th June 2010, 22:08 Quote
Greeeat. Between these and the Steam sale it's going to be very hard to explain to the other half where all my money is going ~.~ at least it's not term time anymore so I'm not throwing my money away at pool and beer.

I hope Play.com send me my Maverick and dart tags soon ^.^
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