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SuicideNeil 29th December 2013, 03:01 Quote
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Originally Posted by The_Crapman



No need to be a *beep*. Just voicing my opinion.

Your metaphor is also poor. What I'm saying is that you shouldn't be able to win best actor and best supporting actor for the same role.

The metaphor was perfect actually, you just don't seem to understand that mod of the year is an over-all contest for all the great mods featured on the forum, regardless of whether they have won or were nominated in SEPARATE contests during the year. That's kinda the point actually- a best of the best- your 'champions league' of mods is exactly what MOTY is all about.

Winning 'best actor and best supporting actor for the same role' is a poor metaphor since people aren't being put forward in the same contest twice- these are all separate contests so to feature in more than one is perfectly okay.

I'll be sure to finish off the wiring & do some final photos of my own mod sooner or later, be in with a chance of winning the 2014 contest(s)...
AlienwareAndy 29th December 2013, 03:30 Quote
The Samurai Sacrileguim by abbas-it.

Because quite frankly the workmanship and attention to detail blow anything else I've ever seen out of the water.

True craftsmanship.
adamski07 29th December 2013, 06:39 Quote
Thank you, bit-tech! :) Good luck to all nominees! :)

-adamski07
The_Crapman 29th December 2013, 12:33 Quote
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Originally Posted by SuicideNeil
The metaphor was perfect actually, you just don't seem to understand that mod of the year is an over-all contest for all the great mods featured on the forum, regardless of whether they have won or were nominated in SEPARATE contests during the year. That's kinda the point actually- a best of the best- your 'champions league' of mods is exactly what MOTY is all about.

Winning 'best actor and best supporting actor for the same role' is a poor metaphor since people aren't being put forward in the same contest twice- these are all separate contests so to feature in more than one is perfectly okay.
Yay another sarcastic gimp completely missing the point and just wading in being a dickhead. Why can't people ever have a discussion on here without being derogatory feckwits? (Massive irony there i know)

I know exactly what moty is, my point is to question it's selection process. And it's nothing like the champions league as you don't have to qualify by competing in a previous event and be one of the top 3 or 4 in the prior competition.

the metaphor was not perfect, but no neither was mine because it's not just about the end goal - the award - but the nomination and the opportunity for a build to be recognised as one of great quality/beauty/craftsmanship etc. I'll re-itterate my point just for clarifiaction:

-In including builds from previous competitions, who have already had their moment in the spotlight and which wouldn't have existed without those competitions, you're denying others their opportunity.

This is just my opinion, i'm not slagging off bt, their hardworking staff or anyone involved in the competition, I'm not saying wet pi or vesper are any less deserving because they are undoubtedly great builds, I'm just saying why not give someone else their 5 minutes of fame?
Combatus 29th December 2013, 14:21 Quote
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Originally Posted by The_Crapman
Yay another sarcastic gimp completely missing the point and just wading in being a dickhead. Why can't people ever have a discussion on here without being derogatory feckwits? (Massive irony there i know)

I know exactly what moty is, my point is to question it's selection process. And it's nothing like the champions league as you don't have to qualify by competing in a previous event and be one of the top 3 or 4 in the prior competition.

the metaphor was not perfect, but no neither was mine because it's not just about the end goal - the award - but the nomination and the opportunity for a build to be recognised as one of great quality/beauty/craftsmanship etc. I'll re-itterate my point just for clarifiaction:

-In including builds from previous competitions, who have already had their moment in the spotlight and which wouldn't have existed without those competitions, you're denying others their opportunity.

This is just my opinion, i'm not slagging off bt, their hardworking staff or anyone involved in the competition, I'm not saying wet pi or vesper are any less deserving because they are undoubtedly great builds, I'm just saying why not give someone else their 5 minutes of fame?

The thing to remember is that we also give nearly 70 projects their time in the limelight in Mod of the Month every year, and the same again for our Project Log update articles that show the latest completed projects, plus we also feature finished projects on the front page in individual articles.

So overall, every project nominated here and lots more besides have been featured and had plenty of attention, so I think it's still fair game to let the community decide and choose any project they like. As others have said, MOTY should include every project completed in the last year that's posted in our forum, regardless of where, when or how it's already been featured.
The_Crapman 29th December 2013, 14:48 Quote
Thanks combatus, great point well made. I'll get back in my box now and shut up before i get another ban ;)
SuicideNeil 29th December 2013, 17:04 Quote
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Originally Posted by The_Crapman
Yay another sarcastic gimp completely missing the point and just wading in being a dickhead.

No, that was you when you first posted. I simply addressed the flaws in your view point and comprehension of how the contest(s) work.
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Why can't people ever have a discussion on here without being derogatory feckwits? (Massive irony there i know)

No, that's hypocrisy- when you call people something but do the same thing you accused them of ( I made no such insulting remarks though, which makes you the one casting insults, no one else ).
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I know exactly what moty is, my point is to question it's selection process. And it's nothing like the champions league as you don't have to qualify by competing in a previous event and be one of the top 3 or 4 in the prior competition.

Irrelevant. This is not a football league- the mods were chosen by the members of this forum from a massive list- there is no fairer method I can think of.
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the metaphor was not perfect, but no neither was mine because it's not just about the end goal - the award - but the nomination and the opportunity for a build to be recognised as one of great quality/beauty/craftsmanship etc. I'll re-itterate my point just for clarifiaction:

-In including builds from previous competitions, who have already had their moment in the spotlight and which wouldn't have existed without those competitions, you're denying others their opportunity.

Everyone had their chance to be nominated, your point is moot. It makes absolutely no difference whether a mod already won a previous contest ( in 2013 ) since THOSE WERE SEPARATE CONTESTS- this is simply the contest for the best overall mod regardless of month, style, theme etc etc. This is the issue you can't get your head around for some reason and I can't understand why. Like I said, everyone had their chance to be seen and selected for this contest already- don't like it? Find another forum.
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This is just my opinion, i'm not slagging off bt, their hardworking staff or anyone involved in the competition, I'm not saying wet pi or vesper are any less deserving because they are undoubtedly great builds, I'm just saying why not give someone else their 5 minutes of fame?

See my previous point, and the same point that Combatus made- not seeing why you had to be told the same thing by 2 or 3 people before you accepted it, but hay-ho...
SchizoFrog 30th December 2013, 03:10 Quote
My personal issues with the MOTY and even the MOTM comps is that I am sure that many of them are sponsored (especially when they have company logos plastered all over the place like many of this years entrants) and have access to specialised and professional materials and equipment. I used to be far more interested when I felt that a mod was what someone did for themselves as their own personal project and not as an advertisement for their professional skills (L3p D3sk from 2011 for example and the Red Harbinger which is based on it - http://www.bit-tech.net/modding/2013/08/12/pre-order-your-red-harbinger-cross-pc-desk/1)
Where do you draw the line between a 'mod' and a professional build? I mean we already have the 'Dream PC' annual article and the end results are far too similar between the two articles. Especially when they feature in consecutive months. To me the whole thing comes across as 'Oh that's what can be done when you throw money at it'. Have you never noticed that Hyper or even Supercars never win 'Car Of The Year' awards and how often does the Year's big budget movie win any oscars?

As for who should be entered, I think it should definitely include the winners of MOTM but I would do it like this... Each of the 12 MOTM winners get a direct entry with a further 4, 6 or 8 entrants to be given 'wild cards' from other notable projects from the community. Although personally I do not see how MOTY could ever be won by a project that didn't win MOTM... That lacks any logic what so ever in my mind, so maybe MOTY should be limited to the 12 monthly qualifiers.
jrs77 30th December 2013, 04:22 Quote
I don't exactly care if the people have a mill or a CNC, the biggest problem for me is all the watercooling going on.

Watercooling isn't necessary these days, if you don't do benchmarking-orgies. A stock LGA2011 i7 paired with a custom-cooler GTX780 is totally enough for playing all modern games with max settings and you don't need any watercooling for that to build a silent rig aswell.

So yeah, I only vote for air-cooled mods that have a good idea behind it, instead of givng my vote to a modder who is throwing thousands of dollars at all this watercooling-gear to make an impression.

Oh, and the smaller the better ofc. I don't wanna see those big rigs anymore as the days when Zuse invented the PC and needed a whole room to fit in are over.
And yes, my own rig is still much too big for my taste and I wish I would've bought another mITX-system instead like I had before.
adamski07 30th December 2013, 05:36 Quote
@SchizoFrog and @jrs77

I disagree to both of you. I believe that modding isn't about the tools and/or how many companies is supporting you. That is given that you did good on your previous project that these companies believes in you and give you free stuffs. I still see a lot of personal projects that are far better than sponsored ones. Having the most sponsors doesn't make the greatest modders. It always ends up with the attitude of the modder.

jrs77, please take note that modding is about what you've done to the system and not what you have in the system. I could use low end hardware without watercooling and still make the best out of it. Modding is NEVER about hardware. It is about design, innovation, skills, quality, and attitude of the modder. All the time, when people ask me about modding. I would always tell them not to worry about what he has on his system. Just create, innovate, and inspire other people with your project. Always exceed yourself on everything you do. That will take you somewhere in the community, I am sure of that. If you tell me that you would only vote for a project because it is nor watercooled, then you dont know exactly what modding is.

I mod to put the next generation modders at the right path. This is where I am struggling right now, educating people that modding isn't about having the most expensive hardware inside your case. There are many good modders around that I'm pretty sure deserves more than what they get.

Believe me, i know a lot of modders who have access to powerful machines, have a lots of sponsors, but they are lack of skills and knowledge in modding. They didn't even get in here. I was surprised when one of my friend pm'ed me of being nominated for MOTY 2013. To let you know, I mod in a small garage. With just a rotary tool and few other beginners tools. I don't have many sponsors as well like the other modders, but I am on the list.

-adamski07
Corsaronero333 30th December 2013, 09:09 Quote
Thanks for the nomination!
Hukkel 30th December 2013, 09:39 Quote
Congratulations to all that have been nominated! Some extremely tough competition there.

I am kinda shocked mini moto isn't amongst the nominees. But overall a great bunch of projects right there.
Nexxo 30th December 2013, 10:47 Quote
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Originally Posted by adamski07
@SchizoFrog and @jrs77

I disagree to both of you. I believe that modding isn't about the tools and/or how many companies is supporting you. That is given that you did good on your previous project that these companies believes in you and give you free stuffs. I still see a lot of personal projects that are far better than sponsored ones. Having the most sponsors doesn't make the greatest modders. It always ends up with the attitude of the modder.

jrs77, please take note that modding is about what you've done to the system and not what you have in the system. I could use low end hardware without watercooling and still make the best out of it. Modding is NEVER about hardware. It is about design, innovation, skills, quality, and attitude of the modder. All the time, when people ask me about modding. I would always tell them not to worry about what he has on his system. Just create, innovate, and inspire other people with your project. Always exceed yourself on everything you do. That will take you somewhere in the community, I am sure of that. If you tell me that you would only vote for a project because it is nor watercooled, then you dont know exactly what modding is.

I mod to put the next generation modders at the right path. This is where I am struggling right now, educating people that modding isn't about having the most expensive hardware inside your case. There are many good modders around that I'm pretty sure deserves more than what they get.

Believe me, i know a lot of modders who have access to powerful machines, have a lots of sponsors, but they are lack of skills and knowledge in modding. They didn't even get in here. I was surprised when one of my friend pm'ed me of being nominated for MOTY 2013. To let you know, I mod in a small garage. With just a rotary tool and few other beginners tools. I don't have many sponsors as well like the other modders, but I am on the list.

-adamski07

I agree. The best mod I have seen this year was Project Zoe, which was a small, part air-cooled PC which was completely hand-built.

Things are very different since I did my first mod (Metaversa); at the time there were no custom cases, there were perhaps two companies that made radiators for water cooling (the rest being heater cores stripped from old car heaters), and pumps were aquarium pumps running on mains voltage. You had to remember to switch it on before the PC or wire in a relay (I found a 12V car turbo cooling booster pump instead). Tubing was laboratory or garden hose tubing. Blocks were often home made --there were only a few on the market, by DangerDen and D-Tek Customs (the market leader being their Spir@l block). Mine were developed by a hobbyist CNC'er who sold a small production batch. There were no fancy-schmancy programmable fan controls, no flow sensors, no temperature sensors etc. All this stuff was often home-made as well from existing components. Barbs were bought from plumbing companies. I once did a group buy of flow sensors meant for drink dispenser machines, which could be connected to fan headers on a mobo and thus read by Speedfan. I introduced some stuff in that build that is now mainstream, come to think of it.

Now a lot of stuff comes off the shelf that I could have only dreamt of: Bitspower fittings, acrylic tubing, reservoirs in all shapes, pumps that are incredibly small but powerful specifically designed for the purpose, radiators in all sizes, fans that are increasingly sophisticated in design, beautifully CNC's water blocks designed to fit specific components, lots of control and sensor options, all ready to fit and plug in. We have self-adhesive LED strips (just cut to length), Arduino boards, coolants in all colours of the rainbow. And then the components themselves: from bulky CD-ROM drives to slimline slot loaders, from big 5¼" HDDs to teeny-weeny SSDs, from huge SMP motherboards to the mini ITX Asus Impact with up to three times the number of cores that my old Opteron 250 sports.

It has made things a lot easier for modders, yet also a lot harder, because it is harder to still be original and not make your PC look like you just assembled a showcase of off-the-shelf parts like any other. The bar has been raised considerably. So there is still a lot of demand on the modder's creativity. Just buying off-the-shelf custom parts is not enough. Just CNC-ing some parts is not enough either (and once these machines become cheaper and more mainstream, as already is happening, that won't impress the way it used to); it has to be original and unique. It's not about the tools or the components. It is about the creativity. All mods are worthy.
Maki role 30th December 2013, 11:14 Quote
I don't really understand these complaints. Do people honestly think that those who have worked incredibly hard to receive sponsorship in order to continue their hobby, shouldn't be eligible? That logic is very questionable in my book. Mod of the year in my opinion is not about accessibility, it is about pure design and craftsmanship, no matter who gave you your hardware or how deep your pockets are.

I used to jump up and down in anticipation of the MotY competition, not because I though I could do that, but specifically because I would be shocked at how amazing the entries are. I never believed that I would ever be in with a chance, even a mod of the month entry seemed remote. I don't want to see easy builds that are in there simply because somebody doesn't have a workshop. I want to see the best of the best, as voted by the readers.

This is clearly shown to be working as there are builds of all varieties in there. I mean there are two NUCs, a Raspberry Pi and two low power media PCs in the competition this year. That says to me that people value variety, and don't just like extreme hardware. It's one of my favourite parts about Bit-Tech, over places like reddit; people often look past the hardware here and go straight for the design and execution.

As for watercooling, of course there's going to be a huge bias towards it. Personally I don't like air cooling much outside of the tiny media devices. Despite people claiming it's not necessary (which in itself is a stupid point to make as modding as a whole isn't necessary), it takes a lot of creativity to watercool something exceptionally. Anybody can connect tubes and voila, but spending the time to mod an existing case to be exactly what you want or pushing the idea of what watercooling can be (p0pe's build for instance, such an original use of milled channels) is hard. Frankly, air cooling is simple. You can only do so much before you start getting in the way of the performance (reshaping a heatsink for instance), the rest is mostly teeny aesthetic sidegrades. There just simply isn't as much flexibility in the cooling itself, even the heavily modded coolers in the Coolermaster yearly competition look like simple heatsinks, despite so much work going into them.

Personally I love seeing so many watercooled builds in the competition. People here take it for granted as Bit-Tech has such a WC bias, but they really are phenomenal. Just pop to the likes of OCN, Hardforum or reddit (sadly even my own /r/watercooling subreddit), people just throw money at computers and expect them to be godlike, when really all they've done is fill a wardrobe with PC bits (looking at you caselabs). Bit's standard is simply so high when compared with most of the other forums (I know there are exceptions, they are simply that, exceptions).

Throwing money at something does not make it beautiful. Excluding those who have already been successful does not make you righteous.
AlienwareAndy 30th December 2013, 11:24 Quote
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Originally Posted by Maki role
I don't really understand these complaints. Do people honestly think that those who have worked incredibly hard to receive sponsorship in order to continue their hobby, shouldn't be eligible? That logic is very questionable in my book. Mod of the year in my opinion is not about accessibility, it is about pure design and craftsmanship, no matter who gave you your hardware or how deep your pockets are.

Only nearly all of the stuff being shown here contains hardly any craftsmanship, just very expensive machinery and lots of hideously expensive water cooling gear.

I noticed bloody ages ago that the mods on this site that are put in the magazine (CPC) or put up for motm etc are all money pits.

I'm not being funny but pretty much any fully grown human being can operate a tape measure and then press a few buttons on a machine. I mean hell, I grew up with Meccano, which was nothing but bolting pieces of metal together that were all pre cut by a machine.

I mean FFS most of these mods have water cooled ram for crying out loud.
paultan 30th December 2013, 11:43 Quote
Be thankful that you guys are nominated because I myself made 3 projects for 2013
Dark Knight PC - http://forums.bit-tech.net/showthread.php?p=3350711#post3350711
Titanium S - http://forums.bit-tech.net/showthread.php?t=261989
Lamborghini Aventador J - http://forums.bit-tech.net/showthread.php?t=210603&page=5

But none of this build were nominated in MOTY. I guess all we can do is support it and be happy. :)
Nexxo 30th December 2013, 12:19 Quote
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Originally Posted by AlienwareAndy
Only nearly all of the stuff being shown here contains hardly any craftsmanship, just very expensive machinery and lots of hideously expensive water cooling gear.

I noticed bloody ages ago that the mods on this site that are put in the magazine (CPC) or put up for motm etc are all money pits.

I'm not being funny but pretty much any fully grown human being can operate a tape measure and then press a few buttons on a machine. I mean hell, I grew up with Meccano, which was nothing but bolting pieces of metal together that were all pre cut by a machine.

I mean FFS most of these mods have water cooled ram for crying out loud.

I think that you don't understand CNC very well. Having done a bit of research in model engineering (a rich source of modding techniques and materials), I can assure you that there is a lot more involved than wielding a tape measure and pressing a few buttons on a machine.

First, you have to draw the components. They have to be exact to a tenth of a millimetre, taking into account the properties of the material and the stresses it will be subjected to, the mounting points and how a change in dimensions or shape knocks on to everything else. There's a reason I spend a month drawing something up in SketchUp. Introduce a component or move it a bit, and it impinges on something else, which has to be modified but then the screw holes have to move as well, but then you can't reach the screw when you are putting it together in the first place... it's tricky. You have to image the shape, the weight, the rigidity, the stresses, how you would put it together. Think of the L3p desk: it has to be a self-supporting structure, rigid enough to support a heavy glass top, light enough to be moved as furniture, easy enough to manufacture and put together. The glass top has to be thin enough to reduce its weight but thick enough to withstand the pressure of heavy objects placed on top and support its own weight. It does of course have to be safety laminated. No, acrylic won't do. It flexes too much and is subject to scratching. Put blue or purple LEDs in your design and over the years the acrylic may go cloudy due to UV exposure.

The design also has to take into account complexity and production cost, how many axes the CNC can manage, and preferably be drawn so it can be produced from one single plane without having to remount it on the table. Then the design has to be converted to a CAD drawing, and then G-code has to be calculated from that (how the CNC bit moves over the part).

Of course you have to pick the right material. Not all aluminium alloys lend themselves to CNC-ing, while some others don't like being bent. Brass and copper are "sticky" and may require different cutting bits and rotation speeds on a lathe or CNC to get a clean cut --and of course again some brass alloys work better than others. Acrylic is very different again and can snap, split, melt or fragment unless you know what milling bits to use, and at what speed. Wood has to take into account grain and splintering. You want to avoid titanium altogether. A lot of it comes down to experience.

Other parts are better laser-cut, but again, different materials of different thicknesses behave differently. Aluminium is not cut in the same way as sheet metal or brass or copper --different calibrations and tolerances apply. Water cutting may be a better alternative form some other materials.

In short, it is much, much more than "pressing a few buttons". Or do you think that Frank Hornby invented Meccano in a day? It took him over a year to design the sixteen different prototype parts from copper, changing to a more suitable sheet metal along the way.
Maki role 30th December 2013, 12:39 Quote
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Originally Posted by AlienwareAndy


Only nearly all of the stuff being shown here contains hardly any craftsmanship, just very expensive machinery and lots of hideously expensive water cooling gear.

I noticed bloody ages ago that the mods on this site that are put in the magazine (CPC) or put up for motm etc are all money pits.

I'm not being funny but pretty much any fully grown human being can operate a tape measure and then press a few buttons on a machine. I mean hell, I grew up with Meccano, which was nothing but bolting pieces of metal together that were all pre cut by a machine.

I mean FFS most of these mods have water cooled ram for crying out loud.

Okay this is so far from the truth that it genuinely hurts. Not only that, but it's very disrespectful towards the modders whose projects are on show here.

Just because somebody spends a lot on a rig DOES NOT MAKE IT A MONEY SINK. I spent over 4 grand on my rig (not the NUC one obviously), I don't see that on the list? Nor do I see several other egregiously expensive builds that were up on the forums this year. People don't value the expense here, it's just that there's also a correlation between the cost and the appearance quite often,

If you can set aside 1k for a watercooling loop, naturally you'll have more freedom to be able to design something really beautiful. It does not mean that you will, it just means that you can say add more angled fittings for a cleaner look, or go for some prettier components.

As for the whole push a button and out comes a case argument, you couldn't be further from the truth. People have this idea that using a 3D printer or CNC is cheating, and that it takes no skill. Trust me, I've seen people use those pieces of machinery without skill, and the stuff they produce is rubbish. To create a good product through that kind of method, you need to understand so much, just like if you did it by hand. You have to know the materials, what their tolerances are, how they react to stresses etc. You need to know the capability of the machines, how to go about a job efficiently etc. You also need to be able to plan a whole build in advance down to the miniscule details.

The amount of pre-planning required for serious CNC and 3d Printer use is huge. Not to mention you need to learn the 3D package proficiently before then. I've been using 3D software for 8-9 years now, does all that time and experience count for nothing? Have I really wasted all my spare moments trying to learn a software package and 3D in general because apparently it's easy? Maybe I should have spent all that time making dovetail joints in my room instead, by now I'd be a master at them.

Also, people just enjoy watercooling. It's a really fun thing to do, there's so much scope for creativity and for making something unique. If you want to watercool the RAM because it looks nice, why the hell not? Why should somebody be penalised because you think it's pointless? Aesthetic modding for all intents and purposes is useless, people do it because it's fun.
Shirty 30th December 2013, 12:53 Quote
I'm of the opinion that if I don't like what someone has done, but it has no direct impact on my ability to continue living, breathing and functioning as normal, then I shut the **** up.

Offence fully intended to the whingers. Let these modders have their five minutes of fame for stuff that they've largely poured their heart and soul in to. Don't even dare to criticise other's work unless you are going to come forth with a MOTY candidate of your own.

It's a ****ing community isn't it?
Asouter 30th December 2013, 13:30 Quote
You're all wrong, and all correct at the same time ...(apart from the pushing buttons comment lol)

It's about creativity (simples) doesn't matter which solution you come up with. Get you're ideas out there and do your own thing ....

All builds nominated rightly deserve their slot in MOTY...Congrats guys and I wish you all success :)

would have been nice to be nominated (dems the breaks) but at least I'm spared the voting process :D

again Good luck guys ..
Ace_finland 30th December 2013, 14:08 Quote
At first glance i agree it seems a bit unfair.

But when you start thinking about it its a bit different.

A lot of these guys here on the forum have been here for a long time. You can clearly tell that it's more than a hobby for a few of these individuals. Some of them even make a living on it. How many of us can say that they can live off what they love to do? These guys shouldn't be harassed. If I could (dare take the plunge) to start a company from what i love doing and think i would be successful i would. In the end i haven't and probably won't, but to the guys that have done exactly this i respect you and wish you the best of luck. It's never easy and it's not a big market in the end.

Regarding tools and machinery I don't think it's unfair.

The ppl on this forum are in all stages of life, some very young with their first computer and others have been geeks before others were even born.

I'm now in a stage of my life i can finally afford paying for my hobbies. I am 31 years old and have a steady job with average pay.

My passion is building and designing.

I have always wanted a CNC-mill but have never been able to afford one. A few years back i decided I'm gonna build my own machine. Took me half a year to design it and choosing components, 100's of hrs milling every piece by hand. Weeks spent figuring out the electronics on it before i got it working. Still every time I use it, it feels a bit like cheating when i see others using a Dremel and a file. In the end i could use a Dremel and a file too but it would take a lot longer.

When I saw the Intel NUC competition i decided i wanted to compete in it too. Sent in a design and sadly didn't get picked. In the end i decided to buy the parts myself because i love fabricating things. Most bits of it is done on the CNC mill i built but that doesn't make it unfair to others. I spent thousands of euros on the CNC cause i wanted one and more over i wanted to see if i could build one myself. Whoever says its just pushing a button is wrong.

So is it unfair to use a Dremel to cut slots when another one doesn't have one and can only use a hacksaw and a file?

Life is not always fair and the faster you realize that the better off you will be. We are all in different stages here and some might be better off than others. Some might spend more on their hobbies than others. It's your life and you can decide what you want to do with it, if you can't afford the things you want now, then start saving. But the last thing you should do is talk down to people who have worked hard their whole life to be able to do what they love.

Just my 2 cents (sorry for all the rambling)
Ace_finland 30th December 2013, 14:09 Quote
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Originally Posted by Asouter
You're all wrong, and all correct at the same time ...(apart from the pushing buttons comment lol)

It's about creativity (simples) doesn't matter which solution you come up with. Get you're ideas out there and do your own thing ....

All builds nominated rightly deserve their slot in MOTY...Congrats guys and I wish you all success :)

would have been nice to be nominated (dems the breaks) but at least I'm spared the voting process :D

again Good luck guys ..

I was expecting to see you in the competition asouter...
p0Pe 30th December 2013, 14:59 Quote
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Originally Posted by AlienwareAndy
Only nearly all of the stuff being shown here contains hardly any craftsmanship, just very expensive machinery and lots of hideously expensive water cooling gear.

I noticed bloody ages ago that the mods on this site that are put in the magazine (CPC) or put up for motm etc are all money pits.

I'm not being funny but pretty much any fully grown human being can operate a tape measure and then press a few buttons on a machine. I mean hell, I grew up with Meccano, which was nothing but bolting pieces of metal together that were all pre cut by a machine.

I mean FFS most of these mods have water cooled ram for crying out loud.

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g246/sey115/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20Sage%20Youngs%20MacBook/Funny%20and%20Random/jackcrying_zps40dbc542.gif

But really, thanks for the nomination guys.

It is always an honor to be nominated for anything at bit-tech since the creativity and skills used here is on a level obviously incomprehensible for a lot of people.

Now, as to the people who have sand in their mangina´s over who is nominated and who is not. Next year, take the time to tell the bit-tech staff who YOU think should be nominated.

Until then, if you have nothing nice to say, chances are that you are in the wrong community.
Asouter 30th December 2013, 15:52 Quote
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I was expecting to see you in the competition asouter...

I'll be back,next year... stronger and better :) If there is a MOTY next year ? I can't help but wonder with all the bickering, if Bit-Tech will just wash their hands with the whole thing and the sponsors walk away. I hope not, there's not many forums that do this kind of thing and there's obviously a lot of hard work done in the back ground.
Cheapskate 30th December 2013, 17:15 Quote
Is the CNC drama back?
I for one would never have been able to build GwassGween if I didn't have one. Some of the things done in these projects are impossible without the insane tolerances that a CNC is capable of.
I also would like to salute the machinists who have the balls to spend $30 on a single bit that could break if you breathe on it too heavy. Yes, there's a tiny bit of daredevil in hobby cnc operating.
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