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Waynio 11th January 2013, 19:40 Quote
I like the ramblah faxiij, lot of sense & makes a nice change for someone else to ramble. :)

More constructive ramblahs are needed I think, can't expect bit-tech to think up everything to make things awesome, I'm fizzled out & they sometimes turn into rants, ramblants & I've been deleting most stuff due to recognising I was going on one so need to step away from the keyboard & eat a cheesecake, come back & be more relixed.
Gtek 11th January 2013, 20:46 Quote
Congratulations to winners Pascal, Attila, Achron, Kier, Gnu, and all others to nominations. Thank you Bit-tech, panel of judges and all who voted in this great competition. Looking forward to MOTY 2013.
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But in my view, it is simple. Yes, simple is good. Less is often more. But in a competition like this, design is only one aspect. Details, perfection in craftmanship, ingenuity are among other important factors. Thus I don't think Tenuis was never able to win. I do think his 3rd place is just right and very well-deserved.

Minimalism is a great illusion (if done properly), but also a risky business as it might end up looking just... simple. But, there was a lot of thinking and designing behind Tenuis, in attempt to give PC new look and place in personal space and just hiding those 79 screws from a view was a nice challenge for me. Surely my fault, as my single post worklog doesn't explain many details :D.
However, I thing Tenuis really never had a chance to win MOTY and even 3rd place is a huge surprise and honor for me.
Paslis 11th January 2013, 21:19 Quote
Wow still cant believe it.Congrats to all others and thanks a lot to all that voted for me.Thanks a lot Bit-tech and the judges and everyone else that was involved.I couldnt start 2013 better then this.
Gtek 11th January 2013, 21:20 Quote
If I could pick up one project that in my opinion deserved third place (if not higher) more than Tenuis, it would be The Gnu and his Get a Life. His war against dead space and totaly vicious fight for every milimeter was truly inspiring for me. serious engineering there.

thats all :D
Combatus 11th January 2013, 22:19 Quote
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Thus I don't think Tenuis was (n)ever able to win. I do think his 3rd place is just right and very well-deserved.
Sorry for the typo, I did mean that Tenuis could not have won, in my opinion. So imagine the "don't" away, or change to "never" to "ever" to make that sentence make sense :D

Hi faxiij. Your points are all fair ones. We try to present each project as best we can and with at least one project - Get A Life - we did show some in-progress shots for the very reason you mentioned. However, a couple of modders only had a handful of photos of their projects, which is why come had more than others. Also, some like to photograph abstract or small areas so we need more photos to show the whole PC.

We try to contact everyone beforehand to make sure we have the best images, but time was against us this year and speaking at length with 20 modders from various time zones then editing their copy and using specific photos just wasn't possible in the time I had to do the article, not with organising the sponsorship, voting poll and sifting through hundreds of photos as well. We're refining the way we do things each year though so thanks for the feedback!
Attila 11th January 2013, 22:31 Quote
Congrats to Paslis for taking out the comp this year.

And thanks to the voters that voted for my project and bit-tech for putting on the comp.

I don't wish to seem ungrateful. and I'm not. And I'm not 'looking a gift horse in the mouth', either however........

This is how things turned out and you have to just accept it the way it is. But I must say that I'm very disappointed for Achron and The Gnu. My top three would have been 'the next level', 'acronym' and 'get a life'. I probably would have a tough time deciding between 'acronym' and 'get a life' for the top spot, but these two projects stand above all the others in a group of fine work. That these two extraordinary projects didn't even get into the top five says some rethinking is necessary for this comp going forward.
The_Gnu 12th January 2013, 01:15 Quote
Congratulations to Paslis and his amazing metalworking skills. A well deserved win

And thank you judges for the honorable unoffical award. I really appreciate it.

@ AnG3L - Gtek - Attila
Thank you guys for showing your support and hoping for me. Personaly, I was pretty shure I wouldn't get to the top 5. People have very different taste and I think that in competitions like this, with public voting, it's very important to emediately catch the voters attention and make their mind go WOW! That is something that both your projects did exeptionally well. Gtek - I don't deserv your spot, you do, I really had that WOW feeling when seeing it for the first time. It's just the perfect combination of simplicity and awsomenes needed. I would say my project gives more of a "WHAT?" feeling at first impression. It isn't untill you see the process behind it that you see the complete project because I've worked very hard to try to hide the work.

Also, publicity and being recognized from other places matters in competitions like this. But Im not that kind of guy. I tried another forum with Protohype a long time ago but never got hooked. Now I prefer to keep my stuff in one place and that would be here.

Congratulations again to the winners and Im looking forward to see Paslis turn that mini-itx board in to the worlds coolest nightstand.
The boy 4rm oz 13th January 2013, 04:19 Quote
Congratulations to all. I was hoping Attila would make it 3 from 3 but it ended up being a very close top 5. I am glad that the top 5 were mostly builds I had cast my votes on (dissapointed by 'acronym' and 'get a life' not making the top 5 though). Each year the work getting pumped out is getting better and better, can't wait for MOTY 2013!
Si_the-dude 13th January 2013, 13:35 Quote
Congratulations guys, all absolutely amazing builds. The level of creativity and craftsmanship on display is phenomenal!
faxiij 13th January 2013, 16:34 Quote
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Originally Posted by Combatus
We try to contact everyone beforehand to make sure we have the best images, but time was against us this year and speaking at length with 20 modders from various time zones then editing their copy and using specific photos just wasn't possible in the time I had to do the article, not with organising the sponsorship, voting poll and sifting through hundreds of photos as well. We're refining the way we do things each year though so thanks for the feedback!

Thanks for responding Combatus! :)

I think my main point was simply, that all projects should have finished and in-progress shots, because I guess many won't even look into the build threads. Having both kinds of pictures makes for a higher chance (imho), that every voter gets a decent insight into the work done, including on many levels, with the amount of details, or similar.

I appreciate and did not think of the factor time ;) I want to add though I never meant it as criticism, merely some points for future improvements, where you could maybe try to implement some where, when and how is possible, given it is possible.

One idea could be to maybe ask motm-winners straight away to provide these pictures and a bit of text, just when they won their respective motm. It could be added as a hint/rule to the posts where motm-contestants are presented too, that winners would be asked to provide a bit of text, some candy shots and some in-progress shots for the moty-contest.

Or, maybe, how about a 'public brainstorm' about this? Actively ask readers of bittech to provide ideas. Might be a lot to sift through, but such brainstormings can yield incredible results sometimes.
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Congratulations again to the winners and Im looking forward to see Paslis turn that mini-itx board in to the worlds coolest nightstand.

Hell yeah! A nightstand with a pc in it. I would love to see that! Maybe with a pico-projector that throws it's picture on the ceiling? :P Just playing with crazy thoughts here ;) :D


Finally, to Attila: that attitude rocks. is there something not to like about you? ;)
I get what you're saying, I suppose the problem is there is no criteria and no weighting either. Each voter decides for her/himself what is important. Some vote for the most complex mod, some for the one that is the prettiest in their view. And the competition was indeed really fierce this year. So I think the competition can't be blamed, it's just what the 'public' wants...But I do agree with you, to have that stated.

Which makes me think, couldn't that be turned into a brainstorming too? Ways to create some sort of 'rules' for voting? Sure, you can't force anyone, but it might be a good start to mention disciplines (such as: good looks, clever design, complexity, level of detail, quality in crafting, ingenuity) and give a suggested weighting system, maybe even with some sort of calculator. Maybe a good amount of people would then pay more attention to the various things that come into play with mods and we could see a shift in how people vote. Just playing with ideas here (last one: what about a place maybe, to write more elaborate views? I hate those really long comments, thus I hate myself right now... ;( )
faxiij 13th January 2013, 16:38 Quote
P.S.: thanks for liking my ramblah waynio :))
GravitySmacked 13th January 2013, 22:15 Quote
Some truly stunning builds there; congrats to all!
Waynio 14th January 2013, 04:26 Quote
I love to ramblah. (not really I hate it but I feel constructive feedback helps & when it's very few doing it that doesn't help especially when it's ugh why this & ugh why that, nothing constructive :D)



There are many solutions I thought about, here is my favourite one of the bunch.

Use ping pong balls, this idea brings complete equality to all nominees, prevents jealousy of resources & skills & sponsorships & budgets & also still brings people to bit-tech, this one does everything, rewards special awards for elite specialities & is the best option for everyone I think, it also adds fun to the competition which has been missing, it's perfect, simple & beautiful & makes this current system completely obsolete, this is the system every modder truly deserves at this level.

Do people want to hear it?.

I think the majority would but if you don't I'm saying it anyway, don't tell me to zip it unless I'm being out of order, I suppose it's debatable saying this here might be considered wrong by some or most, I don't truly know with bit-tech. :)



Do keep in mind this is just a suggestion to think about, k. :)



First of all ditch that system of adding finished to your project title & have a sticky for people to say they completed their project with a link to it, if they fail to add their project there then it's there loss, maybe within the sticky more sticky’s for different years, this would make finding the years completed projects a heck of a lot easier for scouts & would be excellent for people looking for completed projects instead of works in progress, something TBCS does & they add a medal for completing a project added to your space when people click on your name you see them, it's a nice touch, you could do the same for special awards like you introduced, you could start by giving me the "squashed all beef on a soapbox" or "bringer of world peace to the land of mod" or "Sir ramblalot" award, give it now because I "deserve" it. :):p



Have keen unbiased modders or ex modders search though the completed logs thread for excellent projects that got completed throughout the year for nomination.

Put them all to a big MOTM type poll where they all have to meet a specified number that would require at least a little support rally which gathers external interest from people who might not know what the heck this is all about & might spark an interest for them, get them hooked on our modders itch product see lol, but projects that are undeniably hot & the modder never does support campaigning only need 50 votes to pass, fair I think, Gnu even just said he doesn't do that & only posts here so his expectance of winning will be minimal even though he just made the best SFF ever right next to Acronym, I post at a few places but I never ask for support, don't even mention when I'm in them or tell family but that's me.

In the final, the panel of judges are called Numbers, Ping, Pong & Balls. I BS you not. :)

All case mods get separated from scratch builds & put into a big goldfish bowl or a clear mixing bowl.

Thin down the balls flinging away 1 by 1 until you have 2 of each for case mods & scratch builds purely in the name of equality.

Then mix the 4 balls in another bowl & pull 1 out & fling it aside if you can't get the extra sponsor support for 4 prize packs. :D

Announce the winners on a live video stream, needed props, gold fish bowl without water or a fish :p or clear mixing bowl without cheesecake mix :p thick gloves so the picker can't properly feel them but can still grab them, blanked out vision, preferably a cardboard box with picture of the relix on it for crazy lol factor :p:) numbered ping pong balls.

Also give official awards but like faxiij suggested.


Jobsagooden, no more BS competition related.



This system will also add awesomely fun nail biting tension when the ping pong balls are being thinned down with everyone knowing they have just as much chance as any with full on equality for all nominees, may or may not make some leave who rely on a vote army, personally I think they would stay & sponsors might even be more willing to back it more knowing it's a damn good competition & everyone gets along fine. ;)



Errrrm, give "bringer of world peace to the land of mod" award now. :D

But until something better than current system is introduced I'll remain uncompetitive for sure, what faxiij said about a bit of brainstorming is what is needed but there you have what I would consider an ideal competition because it hits all the spots very nicely IMHO, all those projects wowed people when they were followed in progress & I can't imagine a better solution for this competition.

Sorry, I do hate to ramble but I also hate broken systems, if that makes me unwelcome here I'll cheerfully leave or even let you whack me into space with the legendary hammer of bindi which I hear is like Thor's hammer, sounds awesome. :)
Griffter 14th January 2013, 08:10 Quote
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ok i hear you, but still dont see him being good has to give him first place. tenius and fit anywhere is a room, but pascals table pc is also ultra practical... but thats not why we vote for any mod right. coolness and never seen before is higher up in my grading.

so again if i can, whats special about this table pc design?
Look through the full work log of The Next Level and you will see everything that went into this build. Pretty much everything was built from scratch, with some superb welding and exquisite finishing, he even made the motherboard stand-offs!

I love the use of wood through this build, extending tit's use through into the case with highlights on top of the rads and in the reservoirs (and what beauties they are:D), giving a consistent design flow rather than just some wood on top of a load of metal. Yes it includes a multi-monitor setup, but the support bracket was made by him and you could probably remove that and it still would have won.

Modding isn't just about practicality or fitting in with the your B&W surround system. At this level, it's a highly skilled art form.

EDIT: And anyway, it's all down to personal taste. I voted for SSR-X (which was my one and only vote) but can appreciate the skill and dedication it's taken for each of these builds to become a reality.

ahh ok, i didnt know even tho i looked at the work log, usually i just look at the pic to get an understanding of what is being done, but did not know he made everything himself. it does not change my mind that tenius should have won. but ups the project a little. thx Crapman
SubtleOne 14th January 2013, 15:12 Quote
Great job by the winners and all those who participated, however I do have one serious problem with the winner, whose design truly is beautiful to LOOK at: the four fans in front.

For all appearances, it looks like the fans are positioned right in front of where a person would be sitting, which means that either those fans are blowing hot air on the user, or sucking in air from him. There is also the likely issue of noise, since they are very close to where the person would be hearing, meaning even if all four fans are very silent, they will be heard loud and clear.
faxiij 15th January 2013, 12:00 Quote
Not sure about your idea Waynio (or actually, I am not convinced...at all.. :( ), but I do appreciate constructive Feedback. Only thing that comes to mind with your suggestion is time. Bit-tech staff mentioned time is tight, your solution is not good on that. At least the part about the community (medals, awards..) would require some extensive recoding, probably. Also, I believe your idea is too random.

IMHO, MOTY's should NOT be like playing the lottery, it should be an appraisal of the best mod of the year, determined by various factors - that should preferably all be taken into consideration. Sure, if you have a cnc-mill you can do awesome things, but none other than Attila proves you don't need fancy tools to produce modding-wizardry. I think if you take the various 'categories' into consideration, everybody has a fair chance, given they are dedicated. I think bit-tech is on the right track - combining a majority public vote with a small expert panel was a fantastic idea. Also keeping the panel-members anonymous was a very good decision. I just think that this system has some room for improvement :)

@SubtleOne: interesting observation, did not notice that!
Achron 15th January 2013, 15:12 Quote
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...Sure, if you have a cnc-mill you can do awesome things, but none other than Attila proves you don't need fancy tools to produce modding-wizardry....

And that right there is why I will never, ever see a MOTY (or a top 5!). It's the attitude that simply because I use a different set of tools than Attila, that my skills are somehow inferior or less meaningful.

I didn't do this for anyone but myself, so I don't really care either way. And I do want to thank Attila for the post that he wrote on it being a shame that Gnu wasn't in the top 5 either (seriously people?).

You guys and gals out there need to recognize that no matter what way someone builds something, a lot of time and effort went into designing and tweaking and making the thing work. Could I do what Attila does? Sure. Could he do what I do? Of course. We each have our own preferences when it comes to building. It really is sad and deflating when it feels like the only way people will appreciate what I do is if I do it by hand.

P.S. I don't mean for anything to be directed at you personally, faxiij. A lot of people feel the way I'm describing.
Editor22 15th January 2013, 18:28 Quote
Well said Achron!
Fuganater 16th January 2013, 03:18 Quote
Gratz guys.

Bummer for me though. Guess I need to do better next year.
m0zes 16th January 2013, 13:17 Quote
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And that right there is why I will never, ever see a MOTY (or a top 5!). It's the attitude that simply because I use a different set of tools than Attila, that my skills are somehow inferior or less meaningful.

Long before I knew of how Attila built his cases or bit-tech I was familiar with his case Cygnus X1, to this day it remains my all time favorite case. I discovered how he produced this case and bit-tech by following the worklog link on mdpc. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't amazed with his process, but that doesn't change why I love the case so much and it has nothing to do with the fact it's 'hand built'.
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You guys and gals out there need to recognize that no matter what way someone builds something, a lot of time and effort went into designing and tweaking and making the thing work.

Of course much time and effort went into your case, the fact that it was nominated for MOTY indicates that. But this is a popularity contest, not a 'how deserving' of a win or top 5 placement are you contest - perhaps it should be?
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Could I do what Attila does? Sure. Could he do what I do? Of course. We each have our own preferences when it comes to building. It really is sad and deflating when it feels like the only way people will appreciate what I do is if I do it by hand.

To be honest I very much doubt that, if it was that easy to do what he does everyone would be doing it but how many do? Also and it would be interesting to hear Attilas thoughts on this but I would be very doubtful if the quality of his end results would be as good with a cnc, why? Not because there's anything wrong with cnc but he seems to do a lot of his design work on the fly as he's building rather than nutting out a design before hand in CAD then assembling - basically designing whilst making approach, it often seems like cardboard and scissors are his pencil and paper of choice. I have to wonder if Attila looks at the way other people work and wishes he could work like that.
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It really is sad and deflating when it feels like the only way people will appreciate what I do is if I do it by hand.

Whilst I don't doubt there's a few people that will judge or at least take into account how a case was built when casting their vote, but I'd be very surprised if the majority of the 2000+ voters could care less how a case was built so long as they like the look of it.
General_Confusion 18th January 2013, 02:15 Quote
Grats to the winners and to all for that matter, All the mod where very well done and showed some fantastic skill and imagination/vision.
Attila 19th January 2013, 02:55 Quote
I really can't believe, after all that's been said and argued about, that we're still having this conversation. I've seen hundreds of projects. Lots of hand built works are very ordinary, many are downright terrible and some are outstanding. I've also seen many projects using CNC gear, laser or water cut parts etc. Most are very ordinary (just like the hand built projects) but some are outstanding. How you choose to build your project does not have a direct relationship to how well it will turn out. This is not just my opinion either, if you take the time to have a look at many many works built using both methods, you will clearly see that good work is very difficult. It just doesn't matter how you are trying to build something, the same prerequisites apply. Namely, a coherent vision, extreme attention to detail and an objective view of the quality you are achieving. The last quality is very important. I can't believe some of the shoddy work people will post up on their logs. I can only conclude that they don't 'see' what they have done.

As someone has pointed out in a previous post, I would have great difficulty building something like Achron has done. I do build and plan on the run, often completely changing large parts of already built work. But I can see how this could still be accomplished using automated machinery. And yes I am missing the faculty of being able to plan in great detail and am jealous of those that can. :)

If I had easy access to automated machinery, and could take my time with them, then I would be using them right now.;)
PM_DMNKLR 25th January 2013, 11:30 Quote
Totally forgot about this until I just listened to the latest podcast from The Mod Zoo, lol. Grats to the winners.
mybadomen 27th January 2013, 20:18 Quote
Grats to all the winners ! All incredible builds.
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