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jrs77 22nd December 2010, 00:36 Quote
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I was also wondering even if you lose do you still keep copyright for your design or entering you lost you desgin from the start .

You can't loose copyright... you can't even give it away/sell it etc as copyright is not tradeable by default. The coypright is allways tied to the person or company, who created something (text, music, art) first.
As you're not an employee of Phobya, the copyright is still yours in this case.

The only thing you can do with your copyright is to grant it's usage to others, either for free or for license-fees.
Rocket_Knight64 22nd December 2010, 00:48 Quote
Snowy Owl, I just realised that you have forgot to add any front IO on your case. You also need an 8pin hole at the top of the M/B tray. Something to bare in mind. Also, what kind of spacing is there between the front cages and the backs of long components like HD5970's and wider then normal M/B like a RIIIE.
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I've certainly considered a big dust filter on the bottom, though I haven't done on any work trying to actually incorporate it. I think it would almost necessarily add to the overall height, something I'd rather avoid.

Yeah, an ATX board does look a little small in there; that's an unavoidable result of making space for the SR-2. That interior space could possibly be used for additional 3.5" drives, though I haven't tested the feasibility of that.

I should point out that the case overall, while large, is not overwhelmingly so. Definitely smaller than an 800D (albeit deeper). You referred to Snowy Owl's case as "mid-ish" sized, yet it's only about 15% smaller than mine (granted those handles use up a lot of space). Also I've got about 2-3 times the radiator capacity vs. his case (not that this is a competition or anything... *cough*).

Thanks for the feedback.

It depends on what height the feet are and the layout of the bottom of your design. I think a simple set of rails pressed out along either side of the length of the bottom should suffice. Depending on how the facia is made a slot should be easy to integrate and may even blend in nicely with the looks. I think Silverstones FT02/RV02 give ~3cm of ground clearance, but they are pushing air through with 180mm fans while yours is mainly pulling with 140mm.

I had another thought. Do you think it would be possible to make the switch/IO panel moveable to either side? Not everyone wants their buttons on the left.

Snowy Owl's case is mid-ish because it just fits into my current pc hole while your protrudes out the front like a sore. :p Personally I’ll never own an SR2 and all the trimmings so the space is wasted on me (but I am open to donations!). By extension the 7x 140mm radiator space is way over kill. It makes me think there should be two categories in the competition, one for ATX and another for the bloody SR2 and its ilk!
subtec 22nd December 2010, 01:36 Quote
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Originally Posted by Rocket_Knight64

It depends on what height the feet are and the layout of the bottom of your design. I think a simple set of rails pressed out along either side of the length of the bottom should suffice. Depending on how the facia is made a slot should be easy to integrate and may even blend in nicely with the looks. I think Silverstones FT02/RV02 give ~3cm of ground clearance, but they are pushing air through with 180mm fans while yours is mainly pulling with 140mm.

The ground clearance in my design is about 2cm. I'm sure it could be done as you say, more or less.
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I had another thought. Do you think it would be possible to make the switch/IO panel moveable to either side? Not everyone wants their buttons on the left.

It's possible, it's just that the right side is a single panel and to put a cut out there disrupts the design a bit. But I had thought of it, in fact, and an idea was one side could have the power/IO panel and the other an external 3.5" device, sharing the same lateral space.
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Snowy Owl's case is mid-ish because it just fits into my current pc hole while your protrudes out the front like a sore. :p Personally I’ll never own an SR2 and all the trimmings so the space is wasted on me (but I am open to donations!). By extension the 7x 140mm radiator space is way over kill. It makes me think there should be two categories in the competition, one for ATX and another for the bloody SR2 and its ilk!

Well what's the fun of putting your pc in a hole anyway ;P
Zesti 22nd December 2010, 11:22 Quote
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-Zesti:
Ultimately I would be more than happy for a slightly revised TJ07 (slightly heightened, easy mounting in the roof, good routing holes, lian-li like HDD bay and easy to swap dust filters ). This eschews the roof mounted rad for lowered vertical size. Not a fan of the front cowl. It reminds me of nasty NZXT’esq styling. Re-jig the front and provide filters and your onto a winner.

Thanks for the comment! Shame that I didn´t had more time to polish this design and seems that I´m not getting to the stage 2.. I would have added USB´s to the front panel and probably tried some kind of a door on it. I also thought about adding 2x120mm radiator/fan mountings to the roof etc..
SnowyOwl 22nd December 2010, 14:13 Quote
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Snowy Owl, I just realised that you have forgot to add any front IO on your case. You also need an 8pin hole at the top of the M/B tray. Something to bare in mind. Also, what kind of spacing is there between the front cages and the backs of long components like HD5970's and wider then normal M/B like a RIIIE.

Yeah these are the points i'm curently working on for stage 2 i will add all the commodity you look for in a high priced case and more...as for de HD5970 it should fit in there since i have about 12 inch between front cage and the back see image. I'm not sure about the wider than normal M/B how many people have a dual Cpu water cooling set-up......?

http://forums.bit-tech.net/picture.php?albumid=1085&pictureid=15505

Thanks a lot for all your comments good or bad they are all preciously copied in a text file so i can refer to them later and make this case a project that reflect the need of the water cooling community.;)
mnpctech 24th December 2010, 16:40 Quote
I just spent 3 weeks with Hive Logix designing a new mid tower case for one of the major case manufacturers. 2 of those weeks were spent revising our design, so it was feasible for their factory to make it. This is where the real design talent comes into play, maintaining your vision within their restraints. Just keep your cool and enjoy the experience!

Best of Luck to the finalists ;)
Razer2007 26th December 2010, 17:26 Quote
Come on guys! Stop complaining!! Be happy!

Sorry for those who feel that they are treated badly, but look, the best designs (according to me) are the ones who were rendered, because the designers took more time on detail, and to present it in a nice way. I't a soft way of manipulating yourself and others into liking it.

But go look at subtec's design - his design is awesome, and fall under the few best. But his aren't rendered. IF you have an outstanding design, the people will vote for you.

Just to end off, I'm glad t hear that 10 is going trough, to give more guys a chance. And that you to the people who voted for me; I can see a lot of fault in my design, bu that will be sanded smooth in stage 2!

IF you are a fan of my design, here is some eye-candy, AND YES, I COULD HAVE USED THESE REALLY SHINY RENDERS FOR IT.
subtec 26th December 2010, 19:26 Quote
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But go look at subtec's design - his design is awesome, and fall under the few best. But his aren't rendered. IF you have an outstanding design, the people will vote for you.

You know, what's sad, nearly all the votes I got were on the first day, while several of the nicely rendered designs have doubled their votes in the nine days since then. What that tells me is that the people that have been following the competition closely and had a good idea about the entries mostly voted on the first day, and the votes that have been trickling in since then have largely been people less involved that haven't seen anything of the entries past the three images in the article.

I will say that the three images representing my design don't sell it extremely well, and it doesn't surprise me that the shiny renders are getting more votes over time. Not that I'm disparaging those designs or in any way implying that they're just a "pretty face," if you will; it's just that, as razor said, I feel my design is amongst the best here (perhaps not THE best) and I don't feel the votes it's been getting after the first day have really reflected that. On the other hand, maybe I'm completely off the mark, and my design really isn't all that and I would've been better served making another variation of a TJ-07 :P

Also, it's upsetting Ta1on's design hasn't got more votes. One of the few people here with an actual design degree, in a design competition... :(
Razer2007 26th December 2010, 20:07 Quote
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Originally Posted by subtec
[Everything you said......]

I think the 3 images of you design shows it well, but there isn't one of them with the SR2 in it??? that's a pity. I think you design is indeed the BEST. If it will be cheap, I will buy it.

Not a lot of the people know how a well designed case looks like! I mean xxxsebasxxx's design is very elementary, but also very good. he doesn't have anything nice on the outside, but the inside layoout and CONCEPT (what stage 1 is about) is wonderful. The result is that he didn't get a lot of votes. Hes got my vote, because I know the case be something ultimate.

Whoever said that reach entry should have a link to more pics, is wise, for the people who do not know the details of the stuff, will only see the thing and say, oh, that looks nice.... rather than vote for it taking all small flaws in account.

But oh well. It is their opinion. Mine is doing well, so I don't really care. vote for mine! Again: look here!!

PS: in the beginning they said that you will get credit for being active on the thread, and posting progress, rather that work silently and post final pics at the end. How does it work? do we get extra votes or what?
ixmatal 27th December 2010, 04:23 Quote
There are a couple of things I want to comment on:

A point that I think is getting kind of glossed over in the course of the competition, is that this is -design- competition. When I studied design (25 years ago now - eek ) the main point was to integrate function ( engineering ) into the environment that the product was intend for ( form ). From that perspective, a lot of pc design has not changed, everything is still put in a box. But people with passion ( modders ) took the box and said "this isn't good enough". Some with serious artistic skills have taken it even farther and produced items such as Na'ir al Saif. These few have earned extreme kudos, and almost every commenter states their desire to own such a unique piece of functional art.

When I first heard about this competition I thought all of the designs would be reaching for that.

I think Ta10n, confusis, and Xtrafresh, are reaching for that.

The guideline of "ease of manufacturing" can be a tripping point, but only when looking at mass production. This competition is addressed to us work-a-day folks that have no idea what it takes to make something "practical" to manufacture. We have been told this will be limited production, and provided that Phobya will be working with an engineering firm or contracting to a larger firm such as lian-li to actually produce the case, then there is no reason for some of the comments we have seen that bash designs about this point.

The last item, renderings, is to me a moot point. If anyone, as an aspiring product designer, took a napkin with a sketch, to a competitive bid where your opponent had the time to use bound paper and acrylic, then the winner would be obvious. Same situation here, everyone obviously has access to a pc, and the internet, and therefore also has access to free tools such as SketchUp and kerkythea. The first stage had a lead time of 30 days. This would be considered more than enough time to learn the basic use of any tool in a professional setting.

Just to be clear, I have never touched rendering software before this competition. And in point of fact, the 3 renders included in my submission were the first three I have ever made, and were made after only about 15 minutes reading the "getting started" guide.

I feel that anyone begrudging the effort that some of us made, by entering this competition and submitting renders, was simply unwilling to put forth that much of their own effort or personal time, ( all 15 minutes of it )
Roboduck 27th December 2010, 04:32 Quote
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Originally Posted by mnpctech
I just spent 3 weeks with Hive Logix designing a new mid tower case for one of the major case manufacturers. 2 of those weeks were spent revising our design, so it was feasible for their factory to make it. This is where the real design talent comes into play, maintaining your vision within their restraints. Just keep your cool and enjoy the experience!

Best of Luck to the finalists ;)

Wait, Bill is helping design a production case!? I don't know what it will look like but I can already tell you I want one ;)
Razer2007 27th December 2010, 10:07 Quote
Well ixmatal hit it right on the head with his essay there.
xXSebaSXx 27th December 2010, 16:57 Quote
The one consolation I have is that even though my design won't make it past stage 1; it is simple enough to build that I will probably bring it to reality for myself in the future. Just a bunch of bent sheet metal with some cuts in it and rivets... Even I can do that!
Razer2007 27th December 2010, 17:34 Quote
then do it man. if mine don't win, i'll also do that.
Roboduck 27th December 2010, 22:32 Quote
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Originally Posted by xXSebaSXx
The one consolation I have is that even though my design won't make it past stage 1; it is simple enough to build that I will probably bring it to reality for myself in the future. Just a bunch of bent sheet metal with some cuts in it and rivets... Even I can do that!

Rivets are my personal enemy, I much prefer screws but I'm just weird like that. :D
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then do it man. if mine don't win, i'll also do that.

If I have the cash I will try and build mine (just put an offer in on a condo so I'm in power save mode right now). I will be sure to create manufacture prints so anyone that wants to try can make their own!

Oh and I see I finally made up the 2 vote lead mickcox64 had over me! ;) Id honestly be happy if any of the top 10 won. ;)
Razer2007 28th December 2010, 09:53 Quote
Dude, nobody is voting anymore. :(
SnowyOwl 28th December 2010, 15:28 Quote
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Dude, nobody is voting anymore.

hummm....that contest needs more exposure, it's so great, but how can it be done? Anybody with an idea to reach more WC addict in the world ? 171 voters is great but if we could reach other community as well it would help this constest feel the pulse of the potential buyers....lets face it half of the voters are modder who would prefer to build their case insted of buying one.
ixmatal 28th December 2010, 15:41 Quote
Based on the comments over at XS, I am pretty sure that most of the people there with any interest in the competition have already come over and voted, for mickcox64 :)

But there are others like OCN and TPU, anyone have rep with those communities that could talk to a moderator about getting a front page post to vote in this competition? And what about HardOCP and ArsTechnica? Also there are a lot of serious modders on other eu boards, I can't always get good translations though.

Combatus/Nitrix do you guys have any other contacts that could direct more voters this way?
mnpctech 28th December 2010, 16:28 Quote
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Originally Posted by Roboduck
Wait, Bill is helping design a production case!? I don't know what it will look like but I can already tell you I want one ;)

We'll chat off list sometime about it, duck ;)
jrs77 28th December 2010, 16:34 Quote
With only 3 days left I guess there's not much happening anymore, even if they would try to contact other communities now, which is pretty much wasted efforts in this time of the year.

Funnily enough I would still be in the top 10, allthough I dropped out of the competition 3-4 hours after the voting went live.

This contest didn't draw any attention to start with unfortunately.
Roboduck 28th December 2010, 16:47 Quote
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Originally Posted by SnowyOwl
hummm....that contest needs more exposure, it's so great, but how can it be done? Anybody with an idea to reach more WC addict in the world ? 171 voters is great but if we could reach other community as well it would help this constest feel the pulse of the potential buyers....lets face it half of the voters are modder who would prefer to build their case insted of buying one.
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Originally Posted by ixmatal
Based on the comments over at XS, I am pretty sure that most of the people there with any interest in the competition have already come over and voted, for mickcox64 :)

But there are others like OCN and TPU, anyone have rep with those communities that could talk to a moderator about getting a front page post to vote in this competition? And what about HardOCP and ArsTechnica? Also there are a lot of serious modders on other eu boards, I can't always get good translations though.

Combatus/Nitrix do you guys have any other contacts that could direct more voters this way?
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Originally Posted by jrs77
With only 3 days left I guess there's not much happening anymore, even if they would try to contact other communities now, which is pretty much wasted efforts in this time of the year.

Funnily enough I would still be in the top 10, allthough I dropped out of the competition 3-4 hours after the voting went live.

This contest didn't draw any attention to start with unfortunately.

Its hard to draw a lot of attention when you are mainly targeting one group in a single forum. I agree, If more communities could be involved for the second and third stages that would be great.

Edit: I seem to be trailing mickcox64 by 1 vote again...
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We'll chat off list sometime about it, duck ;)

:D
Trance 29th December 2010, 16:28 Quote
Argh there are 12 people ahead of me :(
Roboduck 29th December 2010, 16:44 Quote
The more I think about it we should have a section here at bit-tech where people can post case plans. I see tons of great designs and a lot of modders who would rather build their own case than buy one. Why not post your plans so anyone that wants to can build them can simply download the plans and build it? DIY case plans? I see a lot of acrylic cases and a few metal ones, that could easily be cut with a laser and assembled. Plus it would give the builder the option to customize the case before it is ever made (pre-modded?). It would be a small market, I know, but I think it would be useful.

Any thoughts?
Razer2007 29th December 2010, 16:54 Quote
very cool idea Roboduck. I'd make use of it.
xXSebaSXx 30th December 2010, 20:37 Quote
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Originally Posted by Roboduck
The more I think about it we should have a section here at bit-tech where people can post case plans. I see tons of great designs and a lot of modders who would rather build their own case than buy one. Why not post your plans so anyone that wants to can build them can simply download the plans and build it? DIY case plans? I see a lot of acrylic cases and a few metal ones, that could easily be cut with a laser and assembled. Plus it would give the builder the option to customize the case before it is ever made (pre-modded?). It would be a small market, I know, but I think it would be useful.

Any thoughts?

Well; we already have the SKU Component repository... Why not talk to jsmck and explore the possibility of adding a section to that site for case blue prints?
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