Originally Posted by shaffaaf27 tbh most mac users dotn play games though, id assume.
brilliant atricle, shame its been stolen from CPC :P now i see more and more articales coming on here, im going to end my subscription, but keep em coming on here please :)
Yes, i read the same article in CPC magazine. If it's a case of more re-cycled articles i guess i'll stop buying the magazine.
OSX is what happens when you build a GUI on BSD and spend a decade and a half updating it. XP/Vista is what happens when you build a GUI on top of MSDOS and hack it for a decade and a half to fill in for all the features it's missing from OSX.
I sort of enjoyed the article, but i really object to you guys summing up an afternoon of subjective experiences and then declaring a winner. I suspect some more work then that went into this, but that is exactly how the article reads.
I also don't think that you held true to your original premise. You wanted to beat Apple on every single point, but clearly abandoned all hope when it came to ease of use. IMHO, to be completely fair, you should have specced a machine from an etailer and have them assemble it for you. Even then you would have lost to the Mac, but at least you would have tried.
Another thing i havent seen you guys mention is that by the time you have your system up and running, you have voided warrantee on both the CPU (overclocking) and the case ().
I will forgive you for the modding, as Apple was allowed to design their case from the ground up in this competition, but i cannot help but think about what Apple could have squeezed into the package for the same price if they had abandoned the "ease of setup" requirement like you guys did.
Since you never bothered to sum everything up, i'll be so courteous for you :D
I think i've been reasonably fair to the article here, please correct me if i got anything horribly wrong.
However, imho your iMac Killer is still disqualified for not competing on the first event
Now, aside from all that, i'll have the iMac Killer over the iMac any day of the week and most night too. This whole rant post was coming from soembody who is horribly PC-biased from the get-go :D
To be honest, though I like the amazingly sexy iMac, I'll take the Mac Killer. I've got a Mac Pro and I like the rig quite a bit. I've even helped my friends 'transition' from PC to Mac.
The Mac Killer looks pretty good and is customizable. For some odd reason, I don't trust a computer I can't get into and work on (and, yes, occasionally destroying.)
Originally Posted by DarkLord7854 You pay for the looks, the status, and the brand.
Sorry, I don't pay for brands, and my status doesn't go any higher when I carry something that looks like a toy.
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Originally Posted by StoneyMahoney OSX is what happens when you build a GUI on BSD and spend a decade and a half updating it. XP/Vista is what happens when you build a GUI on top of MSDOS and hack it for a decade and a half to fill in for all the features it's missing from OSX.
Correction: Windows 7 is what happens when you create an OS from scratch and tweak & update it for nearly 20 years.
You are clearly confusing the 9x line with the NT line.
I think you may have slipped up display wise. A brushed Alu H-IPS from Hazro would look much better on your desk and give a very similer picture to the HP...if you could source one that works. :)
I enjoyed the article and was impressed with what you guys achieved, but the problem with the whole thing is that it is so subjective.
I work in the design industry, and everyone uses Macs. I don't. I find OSX irritatingly restrictive and slow to work with. The only thing I like about it (the dock) can be easily replicated with free third-party software.
Macs are lovely looking machines, but if I was to buy a computer based solely on looks, I'd be rather shallow.
For everyone who criticised the article, claiming it should have been more apples-to-apples; here's an all-in-one that can compete on both performance and looks....and pack a touchscreen.
Thank you for the free Microsoft Advertisement. That IS what you intended right? Telling us how cool it is that Microsoft gives us all those patches for their buggy OS for free, along with stuff like the new Windows Media Player that has a crap UI compared to the one it replaced, etc.
On top of all that, what you've built is really more of a Mac-Mini killer, not a Mac killer. Try comparing apples and apples.
No, I'm NOT a fan of Macs particularly, I just hate specious arguments.
yes call me a fanboy against apple and I hate osx- period. would be super if the article waited for windows 7 though :), there are also alot of fanboys against vista, might have lessen the aggression in the forums, though if you placed ubuntu on it, there would be a different subset of fanboys still though.. sigh*
however, am i the only one who doesnt actually like the look of the all in one imac? i dont like large borders around a screen, which means i find the big bar at the bottom of the imac annoying to always be in sight. even if you dont like the look of your tower, its not something you look at when you use the computer.
either way, the system put together just showed to me how much you have to pay for things like vista, watercooling. i know the power supply you chose was a good 'un, but that was very expensive too.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, however wrong it may be... I happen to like windows and linux, and I won't touch OSX or a mac with a 20 foot barge pole... does that make me wrong? Yeah it does, due to the fact that I'm biased, and I really should expose myself to anything if only for a learning experience. However, even if a Macbook or iMac was better spec for a lower price, I wouldn't buy it.
All this mac vs. pc stuff is completely asinine seeing as neither party will really listen to the other, everything just goes round and round.
Volund, if you like Linux I don't see why you sholdn't like Mac: it's built on Mach which is a UNIX variant and the terminal tool interface to the Mac IS a U/Linux shell. The GUI is just a single user ripoff (oh, pardon me, homage) to CDE [which was in turn a ripoff of HP View (sp?)] I recently bought a Mac Mini to do some iphone progarmming and was LMAO when I looked at the UI and realized it was just a tarted up version of the CDE desktop I helped develop 10 years ago. The Mac now uses a 3 button mouse and IS just a UNIX type machine with a CDE style desktop, but with nicer art, and of course the ability to only use one window at a time.
Originally Posted by Otto69 Volund, if you like Linux I don't see why you sholdn't like Mac: it's built on Mach which is a UNIX variant and the terminal tool interface to the Mac IS a U/Linux shell. The GUI is just a single user ripoff (oh, pardon me, homage) to CDE [which was in turn a ripoff of HP View (sp?)] I recently bought a Mac Mini to do some iphone progarmming and was LMAO when I looked at the UI and realized it was just a tarted up version of the CDE desktop I helped develop 10 years ago.
I have no reason to buy into their image, or to use their software. I can find comparable programs to their bundled software free for windows or linux if I really need to do anything like that. I have absolutely no reason to buy one of their overpriced machines (even with a student discount) it just makes no sense to me why people would shell out that kind of money when I could strap my laptop to the back of my screen and get better performance.
How about an update.
Put OSX on it and then run Xbench and see how badly the Mac loses.
I do agree with some others though, while I understand the point of watercooling, you made the whole thing into a mess. Mac users buy what they buy because they pull it out of a box and it works. The same should apply here.
I have one huge bone of contention with the Apple that should be mentioned...
If you want a larger screen, buy a new machine. How much sense does that make? Also, if you run dual monitors, how do you make them look remotely similar? The Mac is very pretty, I like them, but they are too restrictive.
Intrestin, the only things I dislike about MACs are the price and weedy GPUs and orrible mice.
When Will the HP LP2475w review be up? Have seen lots of good reviews, but also a good few ppl complaining about pinkish tinges in areas of the panel (cue mind bending trips down multiple revision number disscussions).
I have one huge bone of contention with the Apple that should be mentioned...
If you want a larger screen, buy a new machine. How much sense does that make? Also, if you run dual monitors, how do you make them look remotely similar? The Mac is very pretty, I like them, but they are too restrictive.
Buy another iMac and link them? ;)
The iMac is a strange beasty, neither desktop nor laptop. You might have been better just buying a gaming laptop and some glue! I don't really like the concept of an all in one, for similar reasons to most of the above. You get all the restrictions (and added price) of a laptop, Apple or not, and few if any of the advantages of a desktop. i.e. you can't carry it easily and you can upgrade it/get inside/put proper bits in it.
Personally I would prefer the Mac "Killer" in the article, though I would question the killer bit and would actually prefer something to tuck under my desk. One of the many good things about a separate PC and screen is that you can get rid of the box.
Whilst I can see that the initial "ooh I just got it out of the box and it worked" factor is pleasurable, how often does Joe Public get that? probably once. Its not like a "normal" computer takes that long to sort out and you generally only do it once.
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ReplyYes, i read the same article in CPC magazine. If it's a case of more re-cycled articles i guess i'll stop buying the magazine.
QFT!!!!
I also don't think that you held true to your original premise. You wanted to beat Apple on every single point, but clearly abandoned all hope when it came to ease of use. IMHO, to be completely fair, you should have specced a machine from an etailer and have them assemble it for you. Even then you would have lost to the Mac, but at least you would have tried.
Another thing i havent seen you guys mention is that by the time you have your system up and running, you have voided warrantee on both the CPU (overclocking) and the case ().
I will forgive you for the modding, as Apple was allowed to design their case from the ground up in this competition, but i cannot help but think about what Apple could have squeezed into the package for the same price if they had abandoned the "ease of setup" requirement like you guys did.
Since you never bothered to sum everything up, i'll be so courteous for you :D
However, imho your iMac Killer is still disqualified for not competing on the first event
Now, aside from all that, i'll have the iMac Killer over the iMac any day of the week and most night too. This whole
rantpost was coming from soembody who is horribly PC-biased from the get-go :DI don't understand that "Mac killer" thing. PC can "kill" a Mac as much as a Mac can "kill" a PC
The Mac Killer looks pretty good and is customizable. For some odd reason, I don't trust a computer I can't get into and work on (and, yes, occasionally destroying.)
yeah that's exactly what people who buy mac's are expecting. Very clean... NOT!... a very good build, yes... a mac killer, no
I stick to the bit-tech machine... I would of chosen maybe a Lian Li case, but hell, that's just me
Sorry, I don't pay for brands, and my status doesn't go any higher when I carry something that looks like a toy.
Correction: Windows 7 is what happens when you create an OS from scratch and tweak & update it for nearly 20 years.
You are clearly confusing the 9x line with the NT line.
http://www.hazro.co.uk/
It's such a shame that no one else makes Alu displays or at least stylish ones with decent panels. :(
http://images.google.co.uk/images?hl=en&q=all%20in%20one%20pc&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi
I work in the design industry, and everyone uses Macs. I don't. I find OSX irritatingly restrictive and slow to work with. The only thing I like about it (the dock) can be easily replicated with free third-party software.
Macs are lovely looking machines, but if I was to buy a computer based solely on looks, I'd be rather shallow.
For everyone who criticised the article, claiming it should have been more apples-to-apples; here's an all-in-one that can compete on both performance and looks....and pack a touchscreen.
The HP TouchSmart iQ5000. http://h30440.www3.hp.com/campaigns/touchsmart/IQ500_NA/Model.html Also designed by the guys who worked on Apple's early stuff.
On top of all that, what you've built is really more of a Mac-Mini killer, not a Mac killer. Try comparing apples and apples.
No, I'm NOT a fan of Macs particularly, I just hate specious arguments.
however, am i the only one who doesnt actually like the look of the all in one imac? i dont like large borders around a screen, which means i find the big bar at the bottom of the imac annoying to always be in sight. even if you dont like the look of your tower, its not something you look at when you use the computer.
either way, the system put together just showed to me how much you have to pay for things like vista, watercooling. i know the power supply you chose was a good 'un, but that was very expensive too.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, however wrong it may be... I happen to like windows and linux, and I won't touch OSX or a mac with a 20 foot barge pole... does that make me wrong? Yeah it does, due to the fact that I'm biased, and I really should expose myself to anything if only for a learning experience. However, even if a Macbook or iMac was better spec for a lower price, I wouldn't buy it.
All this mac vs. pc stuff is completely asinine seeing as neither party will really listen to the other, everything just goes round and round.
Separated at birth?
HP Vue desktop:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/89/Hpvue.gif
Sun CDE desktop:
http://www.screenshots-archive.com/files/images/17_CDE.preview.pngCurrent Mac desktop:
http://www.paragon-software.com/export/sites/paragonsoftware.com/images/screenshots/en/ntfsformac/install_ntfsformac.png
I have no reason to buy into their image, or to use their software. I can find comparable programs to their bundled software free for windows or linux if I really need to do anything like that. I have absolutely no reason to buy one of their overpriced machines (even with a student discount) it just makes no sense to me why people would shell out that kind of money when I could strap my laptop to the back of my screen and get better performance.
Put OSX on it and then run Xbench and see how badly the Mac loses.
I do agree with some others though, while I understand the point of watercooling, you made the whole thing into a mess. Mac users buy what they buy because they pull it out of a box and it works. The same should apply here.
I have one huge bone of contention with the Apple that should be mentioned...
If you want a larger screen, buy a new machine. How much sense does that make? Also, if you run dual monitors, how do you make them look remotely similar? The Mac is very pretty, I like them, but they are too restrictive.
When Will the HP LP2475w review be up? Have seen lots of good reviews, but also a good few ppl complaining about pinkish tinges in areas of the panel (cue mind bending trips down multiple revision number disscussions).
Buy another iMac and link them? ;)
The iMac is a strange beasty, neither desktop nor laptop. You might have been better just buying a gaming laptop and some glue! I don't really like the concept of an all in one, for similar reasons to most of the above. You get all the restrictions (and added price) of a laptop, Apple or not, and few if any of the advantages of a desktop. i.e. you can't carry it easily and you can upgrade it/get inside/put proper bits in it.
Personally I would prefer the Mac "Killer" in the article, though I would question the killer bit and would actually prefer something to tuck under my desk. One of the many good things about a separate PC and screen is that you can get rid of the box.
Whilst I can see that the initial "ooh I just got it out of the box and it worked" factor is pleasurable, how often does Joe Public get that? probably once. Its not like a "normal" computer takes that long to sort out and you generally only do it once.
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wait for it...
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MACS SUCK!
Sorry, i had to do it.
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