Originally Posted by Sathy The problem would seem to be that many people think highly of Orac3 (including me) and that's why what PilouX has done so far seem to be only "copying". On many project logs the modders have this mantra of "it's the best compliment for a modder to see their idea used by someone else in the same or atleast in a similar way".
I don't mean to offend anyone, but seems like the message hasn't quite gotten through to some people, or maybe it's just hard to let go of the idea that even "high profile" modders use ideas concieved by other modders.
I somehow find it a bit insulting that everything these better known modders do would need to be totally original. I could go on with what it's about but I might have crossed the line already. It's a community and like eddie_dane said, many people contribute to each mod with their ideas and different perspectives on things.
As a big fan of Orac3 myself, I have thought about using the "junction box" idea in a mod I've been planning for quite some time. But thinking about it now, I'm surprised (correct me if I'm wrong) that nobody hasn't done this before. Could there be some sort of Orac3 cult going on, with it's own code of honor that says "thou shalt not use ideas of thee sacred Orac3 in thee own makings"?
I'm in total agreement with this, many modders recycle ideas and make them better than they were in their first implementations. Many of the cases on bit-tech have inspiration from the likes of MacroBlack, for example. So it is no surprise that people are taking ideas from Orac 3, and improving on them somewhat. :)
My jaw hit the floor when I saw this article. I was just, like "Wow!". Brilliant workmanship! I just love the red plexi and grey theme and the whole style of it. Fantastic!
All I can say is, please, please don't every second person post a comment that "it looks like Orac3". I mean, he's already acknowledged he's got some ideas from that mod, just like I acknowledged Macro Black and the work of other modders at the start of the Orac build article. So, he's used the junction box idea, big deal. Look at the mod for what it is - a brilliant project. To my mind it looks very different to Orac - I think he's going to improve a lot on whatever ideas he has been inspired by.
It's nearly impossible to create something that no one has ever done some version of before - it's all about improving, taking it a step further or in a different direction and PilouX is certainly doing that. My word he is!
(I'm now wishing I had've used red plexi LOL! :) )
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Originally Posted by PilouX Remember children: measure twice; cut once. This is even more true when hacking a hole in a US$200 case you've air-freighted from the other side of the world.
So, so true! My hands were shaking when I cut the top out of my C3 for Orac.
Great job PilouX. If the rest of the case follows what you have done so far it will be an incredible mod. So very cool.
:D Nice one, every artist creative person and ilk looks to others for inspiration and ideas, it's the highest compliment any artist can be made, and bless em for trying rather than sitting there and moaning on...keep up the good work
With all this talk of copying and etc., I just have to leave you with a quote from a man you may have heard of, Pable Picasso. "Good artists borrow- great ones steal."
we'll see if it gets the same shape as the orac 3, but i dont realy think so. But the arms of the sentinel are metal, so he could use showertube(the same as in orac 3).
Give him some time and we'll see that it will be something else.
first of , great thanks to everyone for all comments about this project. :)
Like I wrote @ the beginning of the article :
I don't want to make a copy of the famous G-Gnome 's Orac³ but just use ideas through my own project ; yes the final result will be a clear computer case with stealth components, yes there will be a lot of wires inside and yes @ this moment the project seems to be like the Orac³ but this is just the beginning ;) let's wait a while to see how it will turn out.
I still have a lot of work to do to end with this and I think that it 's a little bit quick to give opinion about the final case.
Looking at that mod leaves so much room for creativity and change that it'll be interesting to see what PilouX rises from that measly carcass. Being a Matrixesque mod one could expect to see the typical green numbers falling, or references to the propulsion system on the aircrafts. However, I am not sure how far he wants to go with the Matrix theme, as the movie is old news already, and to me the last two movies killed what was one of the best movies ever created.
The idea that we live inside a world controlled by computers seems so far fetched to many people that they don't even stop to realize how fast the machines have evolved in the past century and that there is little doubt, due to the laws of evolution that machines will be the dominant species on the plant in years to come. Every species requires a catalyst, for carbon based life its solar energy and water and for machines it's humans. Just like we are dependant on the sun for life so are the machines dependant on us.
Inpirationnal & incredible quality - this looks not only very promising it ALREADY looks fantastic. I can only wonder about the amount of careful planning that went into this thing. Modding at its best!
Wow, there really isnt much more I can say im a huge matrix fan & I can see your going to do it justice. *Drools* Im especially loving the PSU, Keep up the amazing work can't wait to see it finished!
moddin scene has slowed down since the early days when everything was new and unique, but now things are released a lot less often but they are of such high quality, im very impressd.
Originally Posted by Big SturL Hmm, how come we haven't seen this in the project log section? You getting lazy Piloux?
Well , no it's just that I m busy since a few months ;)
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Originally Posted by I_Slider_I Looking at that mod leaves so much room for creativity and change that it'll be interesting to see what PilouX rises from that measly carcass. Being a Matrixesque mod one could expect to see the typical green numbers falling, or references to the propulsion system on the aircrafts. However, I am not sure how far he wants to go with the Matrix theme, as the movie is old news already, and to me the last two movies killed what was one of the best movies ever created.
In fact I think I ll just do the internal components look like the matrix machines closed into the plexi box that show it under every sides... I don't know if I will use the green letters/numbers fallin' into this mod ; your right with the fact that the first episode is the best ! I ve seen this movie hundred times and I still love to watch it again :D
P!-Dude, Great stuff!, You have all the gear and all the ideas....I have some gear and No Idea......how to make something like that.....not to mention that I can't even think of something that great!
I was going to add a box were I was going to run to power cables too and then run the cables from there to the diff units, but I was going to do this to hide the cables and to tidy things up, But I won't be doing that now..... Just In case I get accused of trying to copying something from Master Modders, like yourself and G-Nome and a Handfull of other who's names I can't remember.
So I'll just have to keep seaching for My own ideas....
I think that nobody will accused you of trying to copying , if you love to do things this way , just do it ; I use few of G-gnome ideas and he is ok with that ; inspiration comes by watching other things and then you ll get ideas , sometimes these are new ideas and sometimes it's a mix of what you ve seen and what you thought in your head. Good luck with your mod and show to us how it turn out ;)
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I'm in total agreement with this, many modders recycle ideas and make them better than they were in their first implementations. Many of the cases on bit-tech have inspiration from the likes of MacroBlack, for example. So it is no surprise that people are taking ideas from Orac 3, and improving on them somewhat. :)
All I can say is, please, please don't every second person post a comment that "it looks like Orac3". I mean, he's already acknowledged he's got some ideas from that mod, just like I acknowledged Macro Black and the work of other modders at the start of the Orac build article. So, he's used the junction box idea, big deal. Look at the mod for what it is - a brilliant project. To my mind it looks very different to Orac - I think he's going to improve a lot on whatever ideas he has been inspired by.
It's nearly impossible to create something that no one has ever done some version of before - it's all about improving, taking it a step further or in a different direction and PilouX is certainly doing that. My word he is!
(I'm now wishing I had've used red plexi LOL! :) )
Great job PilouX. If the rest of the case follows what you have done so far it will be an incredible mod. So very cool.
Give him some time and we'll see that it will be something else.
Grtz and mod on
first of , great thanks to everyone for all comments about this project. :)
Like I wrote @ the beginning of the article :
I don't want to make a copy of the famous G-Gnome 's Orac³ but just use ideas through my own project ; yes the final result will be a clear computer case with stealth components, yes there will be a lot of wires inside and yes @ this moment the project seems to be like the Orac³ but this is just the beginning ;) let's wait a while to see how it will turn out.
I still have a lot of work to do to end with this and I think that it 's a little bit quick to give opinion about the final case.
Mod on
Oh, and the fan grill - simple yet brilliant.
Yet another one to watch.
- H.
The idea that we live inside a world controlled by computers seems so far fetched to many people that they don't even stop to realize how fast the machines have evolved in the past century and that there is little doubt, due to the laws of evolution that machines will be the dominant species on the plant in years to come. Every species requires a catalyst, for carbon based life its solar energy and water and for machines it's humans. Just like we are dependant on the sun for life so are the machines dependant on us.
that just looks amazing! awesome plexi work!
keep up the damn mad work man :P
must get started on mine sometime soon
Damn great work and odd ideas as always.
Thumbs up.
Well , no it's just that I m busy since a few months ;)
In fact I think I ll just do the internal components look like the matrix machines closed into the plexi box that show it under every sides... I don't know if I will use the green letters/numbers fallin' into this mod ; your right with the fact that the first episode is the best ! I ve seen this movie hundred times and I still love to watch it again :D
I was going to add a box were I was going to run to power cables too and then run the cables from there to the diff units, but I was going to do this to hide the cables and to tidy things up, But I won't be doing that now..... Just In case I get accused of trying to copying something from Master Modders, like yourself and G-Nome and a Handfull of other who's names I can't remember.
So I'll just have to keep seaching for My own ideas....
I think that nobody will accused you of trying to copying , if you love to do things this way , just do it ; I use few of G-gnome ideas and he is ok with that ; inspiration comes by watching other things and then you ll get ideas , sometimes these are new ideas and sometimes it's a mix of what you ve seen and what you thought in your head. Good luck with your mod and show to us how it turn out ;)