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zr_ox 11th June 2005, 14:17 Quote
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Originally Posted by :: Phat ::
Bit-tech doesn't have to do diddly-squat for you, so appreciate that yeah.?

Are you mad??

If BIT-TECH cant cater to its target audience...there will be no more BIT-TECH

What are you thinking??

It's funny how this has developed, a real love or hate mod! Its turned a usually friendly crowd against each other. I still am not a fan but I am entitled to that. I cannot help thinking that those who are rating this highly are going against their better judgement. Its just one gigantic step back in time and does nothing foe the enthusiast crowd here. The skin is the type of thing you would expect to see in a TINY showroom, not on a modding enthusiast site?

In the same time frame I'm sure you could have found a professional airbrush artist to do something....better. The fact that you have wrapped up that Lian-Li case in sticky glove just seems daft. The H&D 2 mod was a reasonably quick mod, wasnt it? That looks great.

I do think that you guys do an incredible job, and have built an amazing community....but maybe you have bitten of a little more than you can chew with all of the new content (I better find a chair to hide under).

We are the readers and supporters of the site, there is nothing wrong with expecting something a little more special...is there?
WilHarris 11th June 2005, 15:34 Quote
Guys, chill a little.

Bit-tech is never going to abandon hardcore modding - if you could see what we're working on right now, you'd drool yourself into a mess.

But why not have some 'lite' projects as well?

Frankly we could have done this, given it to Vivendi and that would be the end of it, but we thought you guys might like to take a look into a quick job that we did.

Macro, Eddie and Gnome have some great stuff in the works, but all of it takes time. In the meantime, would you rather we didn't publish anything? Would you rather we didn't talk to forumers and write up their mods with them?
invalid 11th June 2005, 16:35 Quote
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Originally Posted by Da Dego

What may be at issue here, though (that nobody has really come out and said directly), is that this is in no way article material.

Go back a bit and read my post. I said that directly.
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Originally Posted by invalid

I just think its not much worth an article on its creation. We have all seen the application of a skin before, even on this site. So I think a lot of the people here just feel like, "whats the point of this article?". Its obviously more to promote the game than about modding innovation. And really, there is nothing wrong with that.

But as usual, my posts are ignored until someone else brings up the same points. Is this because I do not have an avatar? lol :(
[Tom] 11th June 2005, 21:35 Quote
I think it looks great! I don't know what 2005 has done to the forum- it's brought a new air of hostility to almost every thread there is.
GigantoR 11th June 2005, 23:21 Quote
I completely understand the concept behind this case. Its a quick efficient mod that was done for a purpose, and it served that purpose. Somebody brought up the point of the case giveaway and how most people who go "Oooh sweet!" and enter one of these contests, are not the same ones that look at that case and go "Hmm, the could have thrown in a few blowholes, some fans, maybe a watercooling system..."and so on. This case was made as a publicity tool, not an homage to modding. Not trying to discount the effort that went into it as I know how much of a skill PhotoShop is and I also like the use of the cardboard masking behind the CaseSkin.

I think pehaps we may have become a bit spoiled with all the wonderful mods that have come out recently. We keep seeing bigger and better and wilder things, so when something comes out that doesn't top it, there is a sense fo disappointment in it. Most of us have started on other forums and made our way here because this is one of if not the strongest modding communities around. We have heightened expectations because we think that all the best come here to show off.

I see it in the way some people respond to new modder's first attempts. When they crookedly dremel out that first blowhole and and up with a spotty spray can paintjob but still present it to us smiling from ear to ear because it is THEIR MOD, I think some of us overlook that we were once there, heck I am still there. I am much better than I was, but man I can butcher things quite nicely still.

The_Pope stated that he is an editor, and NOT a modder. I don't know his modding experience, but he obviously had fun with this project and thought it was important enough to show us. Who cares if it isn't Orac or Black Mesa or any number of amazing mods that we have seen. To the creator, its a mod, and it is important, and we should have respect for that, and urge them on.
L2wis 12th June 2005, 01:16 Quote
I love reading thru any of the articles on bit, purely for the cheeky comments and links that give my fix of giggles for the day. I'm always interested to see what ppl have been up to so certainly didn't mind spending sometime reading it thru.

As for the end result =/, just not really a fan of these skin things. I wasn't much of a fan of Synapses either... Just my opinion thou im sure plenty of ppl like this mod.

Keep us all informed of any mods u guys give birth too, personally always up for the read.

p.s. Loved the reference to girl guides rofl! Random as it gets, the girl guides referrals record will look odd. Loads of puter techs browsing rnd girl guides website :S
alextwo 12th June 2005, 12:48 Quote
I for one would much rather see these great 'lite' mods on Bit-tech than an empty front page. Moding doesn't always have to involve a dremel or some other multitude of powertools and I'm glad that Bit-tech show this type of mod that involves some different and equally impressive (IMO) skills to create a great mod given the constraints.
jezmck 12th June 2005, 14:12 Quote
I'm seeing it as a valuable how-to for 'skins', and if it had been named as such in the first place this whole thread wouldn't have been so bitchy. why should a thread's listed purpose make such a difference?
Haddy 12th June 2005, 15:37 Quote
This was a sponsored project with a budget and timescale involved. Very few clients have big budgets (not for thier ideas anyway) and want it yesterday and this is the same for any industry just about.

Could more have been done to this case? You bet.
Could more have been done to Orac? You bet.

Theres always more you can do on any build, but remeber this one had a timescale and a budget that prevented this. I for one love the simplicity of the case not everything needs staggering detail to be a decent project.

Im one of those advacates of "If you dont like it you know where the back button is."
Zidane 13th June 2005, 04:34 Quote
sooooo.....

now it looks like all the arguing has calmed down.....

The_Pope, where did you see the tutorial for this type of blood?

http://www.bit-tech.net/content_images/project_fear/top_blood_custom.jpg

ive been searching on google and not seen anything like it (although, considering the number of ps tuts out there, i doubt i will find it unless i match your search terms exactly).

ive been trying all night to get that effect after seeing it in that picture, so far the closest i have come is a clouds->glowing edges->plastic wrap->hue/saturation. it looks good, but not as good as the one in that image. any chance of a linky to the how-to for it?

<article-related rant>

dont flame, im just saying....

is a plastic sticker any less of a mod than a custom airbrushed mirror-polished titanium case? is adding a fan to your pc any less of a mod than adding a triple headed phase change cooling system with matching watercooling system? is drilling a hole and sticking some perspex in the side of your case any less of a mod than building a custom lexan demon-shaped window complete with inset led's for glowing eyes?

no, a mod is a mod. sure, you can go to the lengths of orac, or you can just find a way to bolt an extra fan on your case. not all of us are capable of taking things to the extreme, be that because of time, money or just plain lack of skill! (I, for instance, could never have painted that design freehand..... but i could have put it together in photoshop and had it printed).

the mod might not be the greatest thing youve ever seen, but when you consider it was done in a few days, for $60, its an excellent mod compared to what could have been done.

as for whether or not its "article worthy"..... yes, yes it is. before today i didnt know what case-skins were, and had settles back in resignation to having my case the black its always been. i cant paint or draw, i simply dont have that level of skill. i *can* however, spend a day in photoshop and make something that looks awesome.... then have it printed..... then stick it on. the article was not "look how good we are", the article was not "look how amazing this box is", the article was "we had a week and $60, this is what we did with it, what do you think of it?". the article seems reminiscant of a first-time modder, an editor who spends all day writing about this stuff, and finally got a go at actually doing some of it. instead of lambasting him for being "unworthy" of bit-tech, why havent we welcomed him into the world of modding?

to be frank, if you dont like the article, then the next time Bit-Tech get offered a job like this, why dont you go running on down to their offices, waving a blank cheque and then you can cover the cost of getting the images approved, getting the materials, getting the artist to paint it, then getting it to the end-user on time...... oh, and whilst your at it, why not add a few extra hours into the day so you actually have the time to do all that.

VoidedWarranty was almost right. but it isnt 'bitchyness' that he has seen, its elitism. these days it seems like the only thing people care about are who did which mod first, or whether a mod is "worthy". how many times do you read a thread and hear someone say they arnt going to tell us their plan in case someone "steals their idea", or seen some guy post about a new fan he's added to his system, only to be "scolded" because its blue, or his cable-management is less than perfect. theres the constant nit-picking and snide remarks about each thing a person does, always highlighting the negative instead of praising the positive. who cares? i dont. i dont care if i dont like a mod or not (i would, for example, rather gouge my eyes out with a rusty spoon, than have g-nomes orac sat in my living room). it doesnt matter if *I* like a mod, it matters if *you* like *your* mod. g-nome loves his orac, when i saw it, i looked at it for what it was, and yes, i think its a great mod, i think he accomplished everything he set out to do with style, skill and amazing attention to detail. he got what he wanted out of it, and he is happy with it. i dont like it, but i dont have to be, he made it, he showed the world, he is happy with it. i like black boxes, with minimal decoration (maybe a little red or silver accent), im quite looking forward to having a case-skin sticker thing printed with the design i want on it. if you dont like that, i dont care, i do.

ive ranted enough for today, but i leave you with one last thought..... if you think you can do better, why are you sitting here flaming the author, instead of actually doing what you boast? words without action are just words.

</rant>
The_Pope 13th June 2005, 07:45 Quote
Blood tutorial:

I couldn't find the exact link, but I remember reading dozens of different guides before I found the method I used.

I'm definitely no Photoshop expert, but from memory, here are the steps:

1. Select a Scatter pattern from the Brushes box - you can experiment with randomness, size etc if you want
2. Choose a shade of red, and spray your canvass
3. Make a copy of that layer, and select "Multiply" from the Layer Options dropdown - this exaggerates any overlaps for the highlights
4. Apply a Bevel & Emboss on the top layer. Again, you can experiment with the settings, but I used the following:

Inner Bevel
Depth = 221%
Size = 7px
Soften = 0px
Shading Angle = 90
Altitute = 84

This broadly follows the tutorial I found (which I still can't remember), but once you are familiar with the technique, you can tweak it to suit your own needs.

Hope that helps
Da_Rude_Baboon 13th June 2005, 10:33 Quote
First of all apologies to Pope et all if my coments came across overly hostile. A hot friday afternoon and a passion for bit can trigger strange reactions.. Plus Da Dego said most of what i was trying to get across much more eloquently. ;)

I dont think the majority of the comments on this project have been bitchy or elitist. I, for example, would never make fun of a new modder making their first steps into modding. Everyone starts some where. I for example are by no means a great modder, i'm not very good with my hands and none of my mods are very original but i'm happy. I dont put them up on the front page of the worlds biggest modding site though. if i did i'm sure there would be lots of comments and head scratching as to why it up was up there when the forums are full of better mods.

Bit-tech is so popular that it has its own brand now. If its a bit endorsed case mod we are expecting something a bit more than a case wrap. I'm sure even the most ardent bit fans would consider the F.E.A.R. case one of the weakest cases featured in a Bit article. The H&D 2 cases are great examples of simple mods well executed.

Using dutchcedars hot rod analogy, if you commissioned a hot rod from one of the great hot rod builders you would be a bit dissapointed if you got a car with a sticker on it.
Zidane 13th June 2005, 12:36 Quote
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Originally Posted by Da_Rude_Baboon

Using dutchcedars hot rod analogy, if you commissioned a hot rod from one of the great hot rod builders you would be a bit dissapointed if you got a car with a sticker on it.

not if he told me he didnt have time for anything other than a sticker on the fender, and only charged me $1

*shrugs* i dont want to start another flame war, i just wanted to point that out. everyone seems to have forgotten, the company actually agreed to this, so they are happy with it. is there any other metric for a mods success?

anyhows, im off to photoshop and see if i can make some blood gunge type stuff

thanks for the heads up The_Pope :)
Da Dego 13th June 2005, 14:31 Quote
Pope, thanks for the tut! That really was a nice effect you made. And by the way, I'm really quite impressed at your own tactfulness about all the criticism. Thanks for listening, I hope you're not taking it personally.

<final rant>
I'm just going to throw out here that my posts were not an attempt at bitchiness or to downplay Geoff's mod, since some people seem to have read them differently. It's just a matter of the front page of one of the world's top modding sites and the title/intent of the author. I already proposed several ideas that would have satisfied my issues (including retitling to a "how-to" or a "here's what we've done with $60 and a weekend..." or just moving the article to the project logs), and I believe I said them in a fairly un-bitchy manner. Other people bring up worthiness, which I believe has also been stated ad nauseam that this is not a knock on the mod, in multiple posts by multiple "bitchers" including myself.

So please, if these portions of the conversation continue, I think I can speak for most of us who said anything that we'd appreciate it if our words were not twisted into 'elitism' and proclamations of whether this is a mod or not. The thread is meant to DISCUSS THE ARTICLE, meaning opinions may vary and may not be always "Oooh, this r0x0r! U pwn!!!11!!!" (or whatever). If you disagree, that's fine. Speak your piece but please don't warp our statements so you can preach about 'every mod being worthy.' Because frankly, I've made some shitty mods, and so have some other people here, and we know it, and we may put it in the logs to say "hey, here's what we're doing..." (sometimes followed by "HELP!") but we don't want it on the front page, because that's where the greatest of the great go when it's a project log (instead of a how-to or review or just a story, and this could have been any of the three).

And you're right, there has been a bit of increased tension in the threads. Probably since there's been actual news coverage and actual articles again and things that we could discuss. See above that discussion doesn't always mean nodding in agreement. As for the project logs, yeah, I have seen what you're talking about, and that I can't disagree with much. But notice you don't see the people with ~1,000 posts doing the complaining of idea-stealing and unoriginality (they're usually the ones applauding the effort and offering helpful suggestions), and the people complaining here are mostly at that relative level. Not meaning to stereotype the new blood, just trying to point out that we haven't TURNED elitist, maybe we're just attracting a lot of new snobbery for some reason...this may be tainting your view of what is being said here as "Oh, another @$$ who decided things were all his idea and not worthy and whatever." Case modding is taking off worldwide all of a sudden, and unfortunately there are idiots in every profession. Just the other day I saw some guy who I NEVER would have thought to be into computers at all (or even know how to use one), in with his skinny little "I'm too cute for my high school" girlfriend, real jock type-a dude...the type who would have given me a swirlie in my day...buying an acrylic case with lights and stuff, talking about how cool he'd look to his boys on the team with his "blingin'" case...it's getting to be a strange world. ;) Bit-tech is the wellspring for some of the greatest mods, so no doubt we'll attract an unhealthy share of them.

@ invalid, sorry about that. ;) I read so many things that tip-toed around that statement that I didn't think anyone directly said it...was just an oversight. Peace? :)
</final rant>

EDIT: Looking back on the post count, are some of these correct?! Baboon I KNOW has been around since ages old...did some of our accounts get reset in the move? I've seen this on other people's names, too... I'm so confused! :)
Da_Rude_Baboon 14th June 2005, 13:27 Quote
he he Da dego.

I've been a member for a while and i think i lurked in the forums for nearly a year before i actually joined, just so i could ask macroman a question. I very rarely post in threads. I answer some questions in the extreme cooling section, comment on mods i like in the project logs and here in the discussions when i have a point of view i think should be heard. :)
Sathy 14th June 2005, 23:33 Quote
Sorry to interrupt the dabate of what-this-means-for-bit-tech.
I think the idea was very good and the result was very good.
If I was fiendishly fan'atized by the game (it looks promising yes but still aren't that enthusiastic about it yet) I wouldn't mind winning a case like that. It's a pretty decent case (from what I've read) with a special look so I think it's well worth the effort!

One amusing thing though about the article was the 'gallery' . Anyone else noticed the nice greasy fingerprints on few of the shots? =]
Not a big deal but when shooting glossy surfaces, wiping them beforehand wouldn't be a bad move.

Thx for the article!

(edit: bad english)
The_Pope 15th June 2005, 02:41 Quote
Thanks Sathy - those "greasy" fingerprints are just *normal* fingerprints - the CaseSkin material is pretty sensitive to that kind of stuff, and my flash picked it up. Unfortunately, because of my deadline, the final photos were taken just minutes before I had to leave for the post office to send the case off to the magazine, so I didn't get a chance to reshoot that shot.

I know the prints are there, but I decided to leave that photo in the article

Da Dego - no, I'm not taking any of this personally. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, and expressing those opinions is *exactly* what the "Discuss this article" feature is for; indeed, what this very forum is about.

Sure, it's disappointing that some of you didn't like it, but as I have said, you are quite correct in saying it's not as l33t as some of our other mods. Even so, I certainly appreciated the people who *did* like it. And we worked through our misunderstanding about whether a full site article equates to a statement that this mod represents the pinnacle of modding (clearly not in this case)

I'm chewing through the Project Logs to find some "more worthy" projects for site articles: I'm still happy to take nominations! We recognise the site has lacked top quality modding content for a number of months now, through a combination of work, illness, new site design and other factors. But we're working on it: all our in-house guys are working on at least one project, and guys like Piloux are too. And, as I mentioned, we're looking for tomorrow's superstars from within the community.

I'm far more excited about the mods in waiting than the semantics of this project. Can we forget it and move on? :)
Rocket733 16th June 2005, 15:51 Quote
Personally I was excited to read about this project. Seeing the blood graphics gave me some good ideas, esp since I can use PS and having a skin is an option for the artistic inept people like myself. It's a nice little article showing how a caseskin can really add to a lower budget mod.
Yo-DUH_87 15th July 2005, 07:32 Quote
Not to side with the people thinking this is a horrible mod, because for what it is (a mod pretty much slapped together with much care in very little time for a customer) it is pretty awesome, but I have noticed bit-tech attempting to appeal to a broader target audience, and it is working.

A little while ago (maybe a year or two or so) being linked on Slashdot was a pretty big thing, now it just kind of happens (and the servers don't die, which is new and exciting!). You guys do things like reviewing alienware machines, which I doubt you would have even considered a couple years ago. You added an apple section in an attempt to appeal to that group of viewers, redesigned your site to look more trendish...

You really have increased the number of viewers visiting your site, but in doing so you have lost a lot of what made bit-tech bit-tech (imo of course). I personally have stopped visiting multiple times a day, and to be frank it is unusual for me to visit multiple times a week (or month for that matter), whatever draw was there for me has now disappeared.

This is not a complaint, attack, or a show of disrespect towards the people that make bit-tech what it is, just an observation of a nobody forum member who misses the "old bit-tech."

And that's all I have to say about that :p (extra kudos if you spot the movie refrence!)
Tim S 15th July 2005, 07:47 Quote
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Originally Posted by Esupt dot com
go to www........com for all your fourms needs, these forums are just starting help them get big!! it will be a great place to chat about everything

congratulations, you're banned! ;)
WilHarris 15th July 2005, 11:14 Quote
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Originally Posted by Yo-DUH_87
Not to side with the people thinking this is a horrible mod, because for what it is (a mod pretty much slapped together with much care in very little time for a customer) it is pretty awesome, but I have noticed bit-tech attempting to appeal to a broader target audience, and it is working.

A little while ago (maybe a year or two or so) being linked on Slashdot was a pretty big thing, now it just kind of happens (and the servers don't die, which is new and exciting!). You guys do things like reviewing alienware machines, which I doubt you would have even considered a couple years ago. You added an apple section in an attempt to appeal to that group of viewers, redesigned your site to look more trendish...

You really have increased the number of viewers visiting your site, but in doing so you have lost a lot of what made bit-tech bit-tech (imo of course). I personally have stopped visiting multiple times a day, and to be frank it is unusual for me to visit multiple times a week (or month for that matter), whatever draw was there for me has now disappeared.

This is not a complaint, attack, or a show of disrespect towards the people that make bit-tech what it is, just an observation of a nobody forum member who misses the "old bit-tech."

And that's all I have to say about that :p (extra kudos if you spot the movie refrence!)

Hi dude,

As the architect of most of these changes, I think I should step in here :)

You're absolutely right - we have been making a huge effort to expand our appeal and expand the reader base of the site. So far, it seems to be working - since the new design came online, we've broken the record for unique readers visiting the site in successive months (for the record: 390,000 in May, 425,000 in June, and more than that even halfway through this month). From this point of view, our experiment has been a rip-roaring success.

We're trying to create a site that appeals to the enthusiast, and provides almost everything they could want, from the latest hardware reviews (which, as I'm sure you've noticed, are better than ever) to the latest gaming news and features, to industry interviews and news, to great mods.

It's on this latter that we have so far fallen down. We had the wooden iPod earlier this month - the coverage of that went stratospheric (indeed, we were on CNN and FHM.com) bu we realise that, to the hardcore bit-tech readers who are well familiar with Zap's efforts, it wasn't the mind-blowing stuff that you'd expect, perhaps.

We ARE aware of this situation. We ARE aware that guys like you are feeling a bit miffed because we've changed, and we ARE aware that this FEAR article wasn't of the modding standard that you've all come to expect. We can't change this now: it's done. What we can tell you is that we're working incredibly hard in the bakground to bring you what you really, really crave. I've said it before and I've said it again - if you could see what Macro and Eddie are working on right now, you would absolutely pee your pants. But what they're doing will be months before it gets on the site, and we're frantically trying to work out what we can do in the meantime to keep you guys happy.

Yo-Duh, you're not a nobody forum member - you've been around foreeever, and it's great that you're still here. If you have some suggestions as to what we can do to keep people like you happy, PLEASE post them in the feedback forum - we're dying to hear them. Right now we're making huge strides in one direction, and we don't want to leave people behind - we want to bring them with us. So if you can solve, or contribute to solving the problem as you see it, there would be free drinks all round :)

This is Dr William Harris. I'm listening.

(spot the TV reference :P )
Da Dego 15th July 2005, 13:56 Quote
Hmmm...YoDuh, I'm tossing you a PM. No use clogging up the forums. :)

Nice reply, Wil. I'll be with YoDuh in the feedback forums, hopefully we can all work out some useful suggestions. Because this has been bugging me, too, but I haven't been able to put my fingers on how to help.

And you're not a doctor, you're a lawyer. ;)
<insert bad lawyer joke here from another TV show of your choosing>
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