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olv 4th May 2004, 01:56 Quote
Nice article, glad to see piloux make the front page.

I hope Blackmesa hl2 does aswell, it's just as incredible
Vochraye 4th May 2004, 03:49 Quote
One of my favorite mods!

Well written as well. Kudos!
Xipher 4th May 2004, 05:49 Quote
I really like the case. Not extreamlly flashy, and it looks great. ;)
TMM 4th May 2004, 08:34 Quote
thats always been my favourite case mod!

hope to see HL2 mod on the front page in the future too!
Hepath 4th May 2004, 08:40 Quote
Very nice, with an awful lot of work - wood can be such a pain to get tidy!

I have to admit that having spent all that time preparing the wood that to hide it seems a bit of shame. Its such a beautiful medium and when polished looks ace (yup - I like wood!)

However nothing can detract from the niceness of the case; congrats - an excellent job.

Stu

PS: My wooden case is waiting on funds - or the tree to grow! Which ever comes first!
Sh00ter 4th May 2004, 08:47 Quote
very sweet, especially like the way the internals were put in ab fab m8
the making a wood and plexi sandwich for the front and top is truely inspired, just such a cool effect - the colour looks just right for what has been done but it just begs the question what it would look like if it was left bare wood and polished?
great also to see projects reaching the front pages!
Hepath 4th May 2004, 08:52 Quote
Me again :)

Would would you say was your biggest problem? Would be nice for you to jot a few of themn down so we can learn from your experiences.

As an aside - do you think a different type of wood (maybe a hardwood) would have acted differently to the heat problem. Was the pine seasoned or 'new.' Just trying to think around some of the problems wood presents when exposed to heat.

Stu
:: Phat :: 4th May 2004, 12:05 Quote
Freaky

I had a major catch up on the HL2 case last night 20~pages behind I was! I was thinking to myself, Philoux' picture quality etc etc would make his projects ideal for a bit frontpage!
Slink 4th May 2004, 15:50 Quote
Exelent article, really nice original work!

The workmanship is great, Cant wait to see more of his work :)
eddie_dane 4th May 2004, 16:49 Quote
Congrats Piloux, a well deserved spotlight. ;)
dire_wolf 4th May 2004, 19:16 Quote
Wow Piloux

love the case m8, I'd never have the patience to put all that effort in starting from the ground up! Kudos ;)
piloux 4th May 2004, 20:22 Quote
Hi and thank you very much for comments :)

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Originally Posted by Hepath
Me again :)

Would would you say was your biggest problem? Would be nice for you to jot a few of themn down so we can learn from your experiences.

As an aside - do you think a different type of wood (maybe a hardwood) would have acted differently to the heat problem. Was the pine seasoned or 'new.' Just trying to think around some of the problems wood presents when exposed to heat.

Stu

I don't know if other type of wood get the result with heat but I think the problem doesn't come from wood itself but with the melting of wood, acrylic and paint because wood and acrylic doesn't react/extend the same way with heat and then the junction paint cracks...
mashie 5th May 2004, 21:56 Quote
Nice case.

But what's up with the tiny pictures, thought it was broken thumbnails at first... Is Bit-tech running out of bandwidth?
:: kna :: 5th May 2004, 22:16 Quote
Macro can confirm, but the pictures are probably what were supplied..

As for bandwidth.. pff, we eat that for breakfast.
mashie 5th May 2004, 23:51 Quote
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Originally Posted by :: kna ::
Macro can confirm, but the pictures are probably what were supplied..

As for bandwidth.. pff, we eat that for breakfast.
Ah, got worried there for a second ;)
Kameleon 6th May 2004, 00:50 Quote
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Originally Posted by mashie
Nice case.

But what's up with the tiny pictures, thought it was broken thumbnails at first... Is Bit-tech running out of bandwidth?

That was one of the things I liked about this project log...it didnt take 10 mins per page to load on my poor 56k ;)
piloux 6th May 2004, 11:54 Quote
Hi and thanks :), about the pics I can send biggest to Macro if needed :)
Sniper-X 6th May 2004, 21:47 Quote
wonderfull job...one of the best mods i have seen in a long time
Pookeyhead 7th May 2004, 09:07 Quote
What a nice case!! It also answered a question I had on masking off embedded plastic parts, so was useful too!
Pookeyhead 18th May 2004, 08:41 Quote
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Originally Posted by olv
Nice article, glad to see piloux make the front page.

I hope Blackmesa hl2 does aswell, it's just as incredible

I can't agree more. SO many great mods just languish in the forums, yet there are so many with links from bit-tech.net that quite frankly... are at best average.

Blackmesa rocks.. more so than Orac in my opinion. Orac is something that just requires a lot of money thrown at it.. Blackmesa is pure skill. Some of the most talented paintwork I've ever seen on a computer case.

[puts on flame proof suit]
Etacovda 18th May 2004, 23:30 Quote
I guess its all personal preference. I wouldnt say that Orac is 'all money'... the accuracy of his work is very impressive, and the design is great - when he gets around to finishing it, I know it will be an impressive full unit; whereas i believe that piloux will make a few changes with the HL2 case, as he did with dark crystal. Its not 'finished' yet, theres something distinctly missing in my eyes, although i cant put my finger on it.

I would imagine that Orac3 inspired piloux quite a bit, as it did everyone else around here ;)

Id say that BM-HL2 is an artform, whereas Orac3 is more about engineering and design.
Pookeyhead 19th May 2004, 10:27 Quote
True... wasn't dissing Orac in anyway. I just used it as a basis for contrast, as one is on Bit-Tech.net, and one is tucked away in the forums when it doesn't deserve to be. Yes, Orac entails some pretty precision cutting and engineering, but it still pales in comparison to Mesa in my opinion.

Some mods on Bit-Tech.net just don't deserve to be: MacroCase springs to mind. Forgive me if I'm missing something, but isn't that just a Lian Li with some extra drive lights, some wheels; a window; a fanbus, and a LCD display? A more cynical mind would assume that staff writers are putting their mods up there regardless of whether they actually deserve to be there or not, when they have a wealth of truly awe inspiring mods in the forums.

and before anyone says anything, I'm not having a pop at Macro... as that would be silly - he's done some awesome mods... this just isn't one of them. In his own words: "This article is not meant to be a step-by-step “how to” but rather a “This is what I’ve done to my case” sort of article."

Yeah... you added lights and wheels.

Get the dead weight off there, and start pulling some of the more juicy stuff off the forums!!!
macroman 19th May 2004, 18:26 Quote
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Originally Posted by Pookeyhead
True... wasn't dissing Orac in anyway. I just used it as a basis for contrast, as one is on Bit-Tech.net, and one is tucked away in the forums when it doesn't deserve to be. Yes, Orac entails some pretty precision cutting and engineering, but it still pales in comparison to Mesa in my opinion.

Some mods on Bit-Tech.net just don't deserve to be: MacroCase springs to mind. Forgive me if I'm missing something, but isn't that just a Lian Li with some extra drive lights, some wheels; a window; a fanbus, and a LCD display? A more cynical mind would assume that staff writers are putting their mods up there regardless of whether they actually deserve to be there or not, when they have a wealth of truly awe inspiring mods in the forums.

and before anyone says anything, I'm not having a pop at Macro... as that would be silly - he's done some awesome mods... this just isn't one of them. In his own words: "This article is not meant to be a step-by-step “how to” but rather a “This is what I’ve done to my case” sort of article."

Yeah... you added lights and wheels.

Get the dead weight off there, and start pulling some of the more juicy stuff off the forums!!!

I would not normally respond to this type of post but I think a cloud needs to be lifted. Before I go any further I will state that I don't give a rats @ss what people think of my mods. I do what I do for a reason and not to impress sheep.

You have no idea what you are blathering on about what should be on the site or why or any concept of the community that is bit-tech nor, it seems read the article texts. Mods appear on the site for a variety of reasons and one of the common reasons is that they offer something new or unique to the modding community. In some cases just because they are really that good!

As an example the "macro case" is over 4 years old and was made at a time when the vast majority of mods consisted of a window, extra fans and a blue LED. In it's day the project demonstrated REAL engineering skills and introduced several new design concepts which have become popular and even sported on commercial products to this day.

E.G. The use of fibre optics was introduced to the community as was the stealthed floppy, USB bay and the lit fan bus. All of which require precision engineering. Unlike many mods which at that time looked like they had been performed in the dark with a tin opener. The fanbus lighting concept is now found on some commercial units.

As for the wheels well no one seemed to be doing such a simple and useful mod. You would be surprised how un-inventive some folks can be.

In fact if you bother to actually read the words then you will realise that all my modding articles are about showing people ideas and concepts and not blowing my own trumpet like some. In other words trying to bring something to the community.

But the really funny part about the example you chose is that the case won the bit-tech case modding compo and THAT's why it's on the site and if you had actually read the words then you would have known that. It's called history!

As for the other site mods, they all offer something unique and if you can't see it then you don't understand modding.

As for juicy mods in the forum appearing on the site well that's up to you guys in the main. All those with project logs have read the forum rules and know what to do. (You have all read it right?) Obviously, unlike you, people seem to think their work is not up to standard or they would have submitted it?

I'm waiting guys...
Pookeyhead 20th May 2004, 15:27 Quote
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Originally Posted by macroman
I would not normally respond to this type of post but I think a cloud needs to be lifted. Before I go any further I will state that I don't give a rats @ss what people think of my mods. I do what I do for a reason and not to impress sheep.

No one is suggesting you should care. You did the Macrocase for whatever reasons you did it for, and as it's your case, then no one has the right to criticise it. My point is that should it still be there? Should it not be retired from the Bit-Tech site to make room for some other mods that are more worthy? Or are you of the opinion that it's a Macroman mod, therefore deserves to be there on that strength alone?

Is that how you see Bit-Tech forum members? As sheep? Do our opinions not mean anything? I think you'll find that without forum members, this site would not be what it is, and to respond with such vitriol because someone had the temerity to criticise one of your mods casts you in a less than favourable light.
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Originally Posted by macroman
You have no idea what you are blathering on about what should be on the site or why or any concept of the community that is bit-tech nor, it seems read the article texts. Mods appear on the site for a variety of reasons and one of the common reasons is that they offer something new or unique to the modding community. In some cases just because they are really that good!

I'm well aware of this. I've read every single article on this site.. some of them more than once. As you yourself said, the mod in question is old. What makes you so sure I have no concept of the bit-tech community? Am I not a part of that community? Are you of the opinion that people are only a valid part of this community.. so long as they don't say anything that you don't want to hear? If that's so, then it's not a community... it's a regime... and not a very democratic one.
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Originally Posted by macroman
As an example the "macro case" is over 4 years old and was made at a time when the vast majority of mods consisted of a window, extra fans and a blue LED. In it's day the project demonstrated REAL engineering skills and introduced several new design concepts which have become popular and even sported on commercial products to this day.

I'm sure it did. I'm just curious as to why it's still there. Would you waste space keeping a Pentium III review for instance? I doubt it.
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Originally Posted by macroman
E.G. The use of fibre optics was introduced to the community as was the stealthed floppy, USB bay and the lit fan bus. All of which require precision engineering. Unlike many mods which at that time looked like they had been performed in the dark with a tin opener. The fanbus lighting concept is now found on some commercial units.

Like I said.. I'm sure they were cutting edge mods at one time. No one is trying to take that away from you, least of all me. Which is why I am surprised that you are repliying with such anger. Why.. if everytime someone criticised anything I did I replied in such a fashion, I'd just spend my whole life defending myself in online forums.

Your reply was rude, insulting, and the behaviour of a spoiled child you has just been told he can't have an ice-cream. Whilst I wondered why the hell that particular mod was there, I also did convey a considerable amount of respect for you and your mods. You've just lost that respect I'm afraid. Your mods are still cool.. but YOU have lost my respect. Not that you care. Maybe you are too arrogant to care.

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Originally Posted by macroman
In fact if you bother to actually read the words then you will realise that all my modding articles are about showing people ideas and concepts and not blowing my own trumpet like some. In other words trying to bring something to the community.

And I'm sure it did at the time.

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Originally Posted by macroman
As for the other site mods, they all offer something unique and if you can't see it then you don't understand modding.

I don't believe that I said they didn't.
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Originally Posted by macroman
As for juicy mods in the forum appearing on the site well that's up to you guys in the main. All those with project logs have read the forum rules and know what to do. (You have all read it right?) Obviously, unlike you, people seem to think their work is not up to standard or they would have submitted it?

I'm waiting guys...

That's a rather petulant response if you don't mind me saying so. I'm quite sure the people responsible for some of the best mods in the forums DO know just how good they are, and are in no doubt about it. Perhaps they HAVEN'T read it, but that's hardly MY problem.

God forbid that anyone has anything negative to say.. LOL. It seems to me that some people one here don't actually want any feedback unless it's sicophantic fawning. If people can't be bothered submitting their mods for possible inclusion on bit-tech.net it seems silly that you ignore the mods. That's like cutting your nose off to spite your face. To me, it would make no difference if they read the forum rules or not.. I'd drop them a line saying "Nice mod.. mind if we feature it?" Maybe they DON'T think their mods are good enough.. maybe it's got something to do with the attitude that shouts people down as soon as they get ideas "above their station" or some such nonsense. After all... the more cool mods you have linked on your front page, the more this cummunity will appear to be what it is.. the best modding, and hardware community on the web. Is that not what you want? The coolest mods on the web on your site?

You are keen on emphasising that this is a community. Well.. it seems I am a member of this community, or at least I thought I was. Or maybe you will revoke that membership in a moment of piqué and outrage that I criticised the wisdom of having a totally mundane mod there.. history or not. You have some of the most impressive mods I've ever seen tucked away in the forums. I was also quite surprised that you didn't to a certain extent agree. I look back at my work from 4 or 5 years ago, and think nothing other than how it's improved since. I don't even want it on my website.

I've re-read that article twice since, and the only thing that suggests it's there for any historical reasons, is the date next to the link. It appears to be there (in my opinion... the opinion of a reader.. the people you seem to disregard as unimportant) as just one of the featured mods. It appears to be what it is... an old mod that has been neglected to be removed to make way for new ones.

As for not giving a rats ass about what people think, why are you respoinding in such a manner? Expounding noisily about "sheep". I'm just a forum member expressing my views. Maybe it's because you're happiest when we are sheep that gaze on adoringly.. going "ooh" and "aaah".. god forbid we actually say "Hang on a minute... "

I wonder if your response would have read the same if it was someone else's mod I criticised? Hmmm... As you say: Modding is about showing the new, original and cutting edge. So what is wrong with suggesting that old mods that are non of these things anymore make way for new ones that are?

Just my opinion... who'd have thought having one of those would be such a problem?
Will 20th May 2004, 18:02 Quote
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Originally Posted by Pookeyhead

Your reply was rude, insulting, and the behaviour of a spoiled child you has just been told he can't have an ice-cream. Whilst I wondered why the hell that particular mod was there, I also did convey a considerable amount of respect for you and your mods.

With comments referring to the article as 'dead weight', then the statement now that you wonder 'why the hell that particular mod was there', any respect you may have had for Macro wasn't really conveyed in your first post IMHO, which is perhaps why you got the reaction from him that you did.
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Originally Posted by Pookeyhead


God forbid that anyone has anything negative to say.. LOL. It seems to me that some people one here don't actually want any feedback unless it's sicophantic fawning.

Negative opinions are fine :) its just that calling someones article 'dead weight', and then suggesting its only on the site because it was done by a staff member, when as stated it won a competition at the time (I think it may have been macros first article for the site), seems to show a little lack of knowledge with regards to why exactly it (being fairly unadventerous when you compare it to todays projects), is featured on the site.

Yes its a fairly old article, and you may consider it less impressive than other more recent mods from the staff or people on the forums (as I do, truth be told :)), but at the time it was very impressive, hence winning the competition, hence it being featured in the first place.

I don't see any problem with it remaining myself, despite its age, its hardly like its still being promoted centre stage on the front page in preference to more ambitious and much more recent projects.
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