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Do we need Blu-ray drives?

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mpr 28th February 2012, 08:07 Quote
I love my Asus BluRay drives in both my PCs, yes maily for movies but also for backing up my Steam folder and other high storage items. The two things that kill it for me is the price of Cyberlink (we have 3 copies) and the lack of games coming on the discs. I think that if Sony put a 3 year hold on royalty requirements for PC software it could have a huge boost in the market. There are plenty of quality drives available at an affordable price, there's just no reason for gamers or non-HTPC users to jump in.
Centy-face 28th February 2012, 08:10 Quote
I had a cheap combi Bluray/HDDVD drive a while back but I never once used it for playing either, in fact after a year of having it I noticed it still had the windows disc inside from when I first built the thing, so I took it out and have been without an optical drive for the last year or so. I haven't missed it once.
julianmartin 28th February 2012, 08:12 Quote
it'll take the pc games market to jump ship to really move it i think. which won't happen anytime soon if ever because everyone buys off steam anyway.....!
V3ctor 28th February 2012, 08:22 Quote
I don't even use my DVD drive... It's there for "just in case"... Bluray is too expensive comparing to other solutions, the price of USB sticks are really down and I guess Bluray will only be a "hard format", if they discontinue DVD's
badders 28th February 2012, 08:33 Quote
I have Blu-Ray drives in both my HTPC (since christmas 2009) and Main PC.
The HTPC has a copy of PowerDVD 8 that came with the drive, but the PC upstairs runs a trial version of DVDFab Passkey, which unlocks the Discs for Playing on MPC-HC. With writers down to ~£54, even those are starting to be at the price point where I bought my first DVD writer.

The software is what is stalling adoption of PC Blu-Ray readers, as many people are not aware of the free options out there, and indeed these were not available until relatively recently.

I also have a PS3, although this rarely gets used for Blu-Ray Playback, as I already had the drive in the HTPC beforehand, so it just seems easier to wake the machine up and stick the disc in!
adidan 28th February 2012, 08:39 Quote
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Originally Posted by V3ctor
I don't even use my DVD drive... It's there for "just in case"...
The only thing I use my DVD drive for is for games as I prefer to own a hard copy.

I don't even use it for saving/moving data, I have 16Gb USB sticks for that.

BR Drives I can see being useful in HTPCs but I have little use for a DVD let alone a BR drive in my PC. Having a PS3 that works as a BR drive is all the BR capability I need personally.
Lenderz 28th February 2012, 08:48 Quote
Quite happy with my Blu-Ray drive I acquired a few years ago when doing a new build for around £25 or something. It came with some pretty decent complementary playback software too, I can't remember the last time I installed software off a shiny round disk (other than Battlefield 3 as it was like £20 cheaper on Amazon at pre-release, but future installs will be done via origin), but its good for playback of my blu-ray movie/tv show collection.
wuyanxu 28th February 2012, 08:55 Quote
last time i used my DVD drive was when BF3 was released, only because i want to play it at that moment. otherwise i've not used the DVD drive at all since.

for new builds, i would say ditch the blu-ray drive, would even ditch the DVD drive if it's more expensive than £10. disks are behind us, just like IDE, PS/2 keyboard and floppy disks.


(although no doubt i agree blu-ray have a place in TV connected computers)
Ghast 28th February 2012, 08:57 Quote
Blu-ray will be completely skipped over in the PC Gaming market as they switch to cloud computing and storage. The same can be said for everything, physical media will still be around for a long time, but I wager that cloud services will be the norm in 5-10 years and the only thing physical media will be used for is hard back up purposes.
Madness_3d 28th February 2012, 09:04 Quote
Do we need Blu-Ray Drives...

Yes.

*/mod edit* - but I won't explain why
|V| 4 L k i 3 R 28th February 2012, 09:06 Quote
I have a blu-ray drive in my HTPC and my desktop. The HTPC is pretty obvious, immediately playing a disc before ripping (say if a friend brings over one). On the desktop, I use it to rip blu-rays to my NAS for HTPC playback later.
Mentai 28th February 2012, 09:08 Quote
I'm extremely particular about video quality, and since HD rip/streaming content does not look as good as footage off a BD I will use one... in the PS3. I really don't see the need for bluray in anything not attached to a large television. I haven't used my DVD drive since I installed Windows over a year ago, and I can easily make a USB boot of that. I don't think my next build will bother with any optical drive, it would be more useful to have another row of USB ports.
r3loaded 28th February 2012, 09:14 Quote
The only computer in my house that even has an optical drive of any description is the old Dell desktop, which is fancy because it had a DVD writer drive back in 2002. It's still there just in case, but I've not needed to use it once in the past 3-4 years.

Between my multi-terabyte server, 30Mbit internet and a 32GB USB drive, there's never been any need for it

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Krikkit 28th February 2012, 09:18 Quote
You guys are all far too disk-free for my liking. :p

I'm a regular BVD/DVD/CD buyer because I enjoy having a physical collection to browse, and because it works on all the systems I enjoy them on. Home cinema system? Check. HiFi? Check. PC? Check.

It all gets ripped (save for the BVD's... for now) and stored on PC, but I'd much rather have a real disk than a solely digital collection.
Deders 28th February 2012, 09:19 Quote
When prices come down it would be handy for backup
Bindibadgi 28th February 2012, 09:27 Quote
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Originally Posted by Madness_3d
Do we need Blu-Ray Drives...

Yes.

/article

No we don't.

/article page 2.

I own ONE DVD drive just in case, but I haven't used it since I played Dirt3 last summer. I have NEVER owned a Blu-ray and never used one personally (on the job I did HDHQV tests)
Jqim 28th February 2012, 09:31 Quote
I want BR quality videos but without the clutter of an optical drive. As for backups, if it was somthing mission critical like my work i will be paying for propper cloud storage/backup. BR feels too throw away
Dave Lister 28th February 2012, 09:32 Quote
I paid £130 for a blu-ray/hd-dvd drive back when £180 was a more normal price. The cyberlink software it came with wouldn't even let me get 5.1 surround sound, instead I've been stuck with 2.1. So I will never buy another bluray drive. It put me off so much that I stopped buying bluray movies. Now I just download the films I want to watch. I've only got a collection of about 20 bluray films but if anyone can advise on a free video player that can playback these discs that would be appreciated, (the article mentions vlc so I will try that tonight) but any other suggestions are welcome.
law99 28th February 2012, 09:34 Quote
The only thing that kills it for me is the dogs dinner of software available.

That is the only issue. The drives aren't even that expensive.

If windows movie player or vlc could play the straight off the bat, adoption would be huge.

As for screens are to small... When has that stopped people wanting quality? Why else do people buy into 1080p screens?
Bindibadgi 28th February 2012, 09:35 Quote
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Originally Posted by Dave Lister
I paid £130 for a blu-ray/hd-dvd drive back when £180 was a more normal price. The cyberlink software it came with wouldn't even let me get 5.1 surround sound, instead I've been stuck with 2.1. So I will never buy another bluray drive. It put me off so much that I stopped buying bluray movies. Now I just download the films I want to watch. I've only got a collection of about 20 bluray films but if anyone can advise on a free video player that can playback these discs that would be appreciated, (the article mentions vlc so I will try that tonight) but any other suggestions are welcome.

That's cause Cyberlink charge you more for upgrading to 5.1.. 7.1... HD quality. They don't bundle the full set in OEM software as the drive manuf. doesn't want to pay the extra for all the licenses.

The full Cyerblink suite for BD costs $100 or something stupid. It's licenselicenselicenselicenselicenselicenselicense
Tangster 28th February 2012, 09:39 Quote
I'm with most of this thread, I don't have an internal DVD drive, let alone a BD drive. I've only got an exterrnal USB dvd drive, for the occasional time when I get physical CD/
DVD/games as gifts.
flong 28th February 2012, 09:45 Quote
You don't mention the new high capacity blu-ray disks that are coming out and you neglect also to mention the "M disks" that are coming out in both blu-ray and DVD. The M disks will give users the option of archiving large amounts of important data on disk for personal retrieval at any time. The M disks are said to be good for hundreds of years. 100 GB disks are coming out and probably in the future we will see 1TB disks. This coupled with the M Disk improvements make the blu-ray system a viable option.

One could argue that cloud storage may supplant this option, however, with cloud storage you are entirely dependent on a third party storage system. If their system goes down ALL of your data could be lost - and yes I know that they have redundant backup systems.

The primary reason for blu-rays is what you mention, to play blu-ray movies. The picture quality is noticeably better with blu-ray movies and their price is rapidly dropping.

Also you fail to mention that with the advent of 3D movies, DVD lacks the capacity for this format. I also am not a big 3D fan and I question whether it will catch on but blu-ray has the capacity, DVD does not.

DVD's picture and sound are not comparable to blu-ray. I have a blu-ray player on my computer. I paid $100 for the blu-ray burner and $65 for Power DVD Ultra 11. So the investment was not outrageous.
Parge 28th February 2012, 09:48 Quote
I had a Blu Ray drive...... but then I sold it when I found out I had to pay extortionate amounts of money for software to play BDs. How come I can buy a £30 BD player from Tesco that will play everything, but I have to spend more on a PC BD drive and then buy software on top of that!
flong 28th February 2012, 09:54 Quote
It is fascinating that you mention VLC will now play blu-rays. I would be very interested to see how well it works. Unfortunately with DVDs VLC was very buggy and the ease of use cannot compare with Windows Media Center or Power DVD (I own Power DVD Ultra 11). While VLC is free, I would not consider it for DVD use because it is so buggy and hard to use. I would be very concerned that their blu-ray quality will have the same problems.
maverik-sg1 28th February 2012, 09:58 Quote
I have a PS3, it's brilliant for playback of blu-ray films - but only 10% of the films I have are on blu-ray and with DVD upscaling and only a 1080i TV I don't really benefit from the what shoul be extra definition etc....

Back to the PC, games are sold on DVD's and Blu-Ray is not standard in PC builds, when Wrath of The Lich King was released it came on 5CD's (how long had DVD's been sold as standard on PC's by then).

The challenge is that apart from capacity, what does it bring to the PC user, write speeds don't look to be an improvement over DVD speeds (granted you are writing to a higher capacity disk, thats not the point, the perception is that it's slow.

By the time this product has the opportunity to be 'standard' on PC builds, the 'next big thing' will be out, delvelopers simply won't release blu-ray based games if the userbase of the drive is not greater than 80% of it's target market - this should of been a stepping stone to something, instead it's cornered itself into being the standard for films and probably PS4.

Shame really and as for HD-DVD, in terms of benefits and progression, am I mistaken in thinking that this offered more than just 'good for movies'?
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