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Teufel Concept D 500 THX

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Toka 15th April 2011, 08:20 Quote
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This set is a far better option than hi-fi separates

Really? I do like Teufel stuff (specifically their DAC + speaker package) but £450?

Connecting separates up in the same way as this offering you could go for

Speakers

Amp

Cable

What you loose in base you gain in detail and clarity. Possibly you might want to go for better speakers and a cheaper amp, the way round I have it is just the one I prefer.
samkiller42 15th April 2011, 08:25 Quote
This set is THX certified, hence it's price.

Sam
memeroot 15th April 2011, 08:32 Quote
lol - just picked up a (formerly) 2k+ 6x power amp (thx) soundcard , 5 kef eggs and a (prev) 1.2k sub for total 400....

wonder if it is better?
Xir 15th April 2011, 08:47 Quote
on normal Teufel Subs, you can set the crossover...maybe it's a THX requirement that it can't be changed here?
mi1ez 15th April 2011, 09:16 Quote
I'm with toka. Give me my hifi seperates any day!
BobbySparkle 15th April 2011, 09:34 Quote
"This set is a far better option than hi-fi separates"

Please quantify this, I'm currently running barracuda AC-1 card optically into a sony mds-920 (about 500 nicker in its day, though unfortunately limited to 48Khz) and then into an Arcam Alpha 7 amp, thats running Bi Wired Mordaunt Short 920s (pretty crappy speakers) coupled with a REL Q200e subwoofer.

Are you seriously trying to tell me that this setup will sound better than what I am running........sound is a subjective thing obviously, but I really can't see it chaps. If you want good sound out of a pc - get the best soundcard and best dac you can afford, its taken me about 6 years and several sets of different systems including the likes of jbl, harmann kardon etc. to reach this conclusion, but am quietly confident it'll take the pepsi challenge with most out there without spending horrific amounts of cash
N17 dizzi 15th April 2011, 09:54 Quote
If these make it to the elite list in CPC can you at least suggest a budget option as you do with GPUs and the like?
alpaca 15th April 2011, 10:23 Quote
no new scoring system? with all the tam tam you announced it, i would have assumed it would be omnipresent by now?
Baz 15th April 2011, 10:25 Quote
Don't worry, these won't be making the elite list. They're awesome and sound great, but we know only the minority want to splash this sort of cash on PC audio.

Hifi separates are always going to be tough competition at this price, esp. if you buy your bits second hand on the cheap. For an easy one shot of uber audio though, these are bloody good.
PlayedStation 15th April 2011, 10:47 Quote
can you run a competition to win the pair you tested please? and announce me the winner?

want.
do_it_anyway 15th April 2011, 10:47 Quote
I have the 5 Kef eggs. I love em. :)

Personally I believe that speaker technology changes slowly. A set of high quality speakers from 10 years ago are still good now.
But amplifier tech changes, so a 10 year old amp behind the times.

So, if you are going to get into audiophilia, get the best speakers you can afford now, cos you won't be changing them as often.
3lusive 15th April 2011, 12:02 Quote
Would this get the 'extreme ultra' award?
bcd 15th April 2011, 12:09 Quote
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Originally Posted by Toka
Quote:
This set is a far better option than hi-fi separates

Really? I do like Teufel stuff (specifically their DAC + speaker package) but £450?

Connecting separates up in the same way as this offering you could go for

Speakers

Amp

Cable

What you loose in base you gain in detail and clarity. Possibly you might want to go for better speakers and a cheaper amp, the way round I have it is just the one I prefer.

I concur, can't see why you'd feel the need to spend so much money on the amp though, the bottom-of-the-range Cambridge Audio amp would do you proud!
greigaitken 15th April 2011, 12:32 Quote
stop comparing 2nd hand hifi kit to brand new pc audio on a bang/buck level.
by all means compare new hifi gear to new pc audio. and perhaps each time hifi still wins out, but when you need to make the hifi 2nd hand for better value then its a skewed unfair comparison.
pbryanw 15th April 2011, 18:03 Quote
I imagine having an amp built into the subwoofer, saves more space then having a big hi-fi amp and speakers. Also, it looks like they'd be slightly easier to wire up and get working. It's the old buy pre-built or build your PC argument. Personally I'm happy with my Q-Acoustic speakers, and Yamaha radio/amp, but I can see the appeal of these speakers.
wafflesomd 15th April 2011, 18:11 Quote
The waveguide on the tweeters looks very nice, albeit a little deep.

They look like good performers but at that price there are better options. You can grab some nice powered powered monitors like the Yamaha HS80 for that price.
wbdog206 16th April 2011, 02:57 Quote
I still like my old tube amps.
metarinka 17th April 2011, 06:06 Quote
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Originally Posted by wafflesomd
The waveguide on the tweeters looks very nice, albeit a little deep.

They look like good performers but at that price there are better options. You can grab some nice powered powered monitors like the Yamaha HS80 for that price.

quoted for truth, at that price you get into getting studio monitors. I would pick up a pair of KRK RP8's or the yamaha HS80m. Also at that point you should start thinking of room treatment. I know when I put my studio monitors in an untreated room I got a huge bass increase that absolutely killed the highs. it was like a 6+db gain.

here's where I would look http://studio-central.com/phpbb/viewforum.php?f=15&sid=a35e6fae62e20ac810739f14ed058afe powered monitors are what most studio guys use.
Anfield 17th April 2011, 17:51 Quote
From the review:
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elegant and understated, with a premium finish.

And then only a 7 for design?

Anyway, good to see Teufel pushing the limits of Pc Speakers, but above a certain price point your just better off connecting the PC to a Hifi and not bother with separate speakers for the Pc.
cyberspyder 18th April 2011, 04:26 Quote
I've never heard of a subwoofer only going down to 35Hz, have you? Says it all pretty much...
Mister_Tad 18th April 2011, 10:18 Quote
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Originally Posted by BobbySparkle
"This set is a far better option than hi-fi separates"

Please quantify this, I'm currently running barracuda AC-1 card optically into a sony mds-920 (about 500 nicker in its day, though unfortunately limited to 48Khz) and then into an Arcam Alpha 7 amp, thats running Bi Wired Mordaunt Short 920s (pretty crappy speakers) coupled with a REL Q200e subwoofer.

Are you seriously trying to tell me that this setup will sound better than what I am running........sound is a subjective thing obviously, but I really can't see it chaps. If you want good sound out of a pc - get the best soundcard and best dac you can afford, its taken me about 6 years and several sets of different systems including the likes of jbl, harmann kardon etc. to reach this conclusion, but am quietly confident it'll take the pepsi challenge with most out there without spending horrific amounts of cash

A "better option" and "sound better" are entirely different statements. I have no doubts that you can strut in to a hifi shop (comparing second hand doesn't make sense unless you're comparing it to a likely S/H price of the Teufel speakers) and put together a better sounding set of separates for the same cost, but not everyone wants a stack of kit and some bulky speakers to house on their desk. I'm sure some people (not likely to be on these forums, mind) would feel intimidated by putting together separates as well, and just have £500 to spend on a one-box. This is the same part of the market that spends £1000 on one-box home cinema kits.

I'm not saying it's my cup of tea (coming from the guy who has a £3000 hifi as his PC speakers...), but can see where they're aiming with this.
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I've never heard of a subwoofer only going down to 35Hz, have you? Says it all pretty much...

You know when Logitech et al claim that their sub does 20hz@-3dB? Yeah, they're lying, basically. Quality of bass beats depth/volume any time, and getting them all in the same package isn't something I can see PC speakers achieving.
memeroot 18th April 2011, 10:58 Quote
"A "better option" and "sound better" are entirely different statements."

well yes - if you want a nice dinner a better option than buying speakers is to buy lunch....

however if you are looking to buy speakers - a better option should mean sounding better

if however you prefixed it with

if you are the kind of person that values a one box solution over separates then.....

but you didn't - you said it was a better option because it was a one box solution...

which is quite different

out of interest though - how do you hook your hifi up to your pc? now thats an interesting subject for an article.
Mister_Tad 18th April 2011, 11:20 Quote
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Originally Posted by memeroot

however if you are looking to buy speakers - a better option should mean sounding better

if however you prefixed it with

if you are the kind of person that values a one box solution over separates then.....

but you didn't - you said it was a better option because it was a one box solution...

which is quite different

Granted, sounding good ranks pretty highly on the speaker-ranking-o-meter, but it isn't the only parameter by which a speaker may be evaluated.

Let me pose an example - the subwoofer in my cinema setup is the size of a Volkswagen (only a small one, mind, maybe a Lupo), however does produce rather stellar low frequencies making it "better" in my eyes than the model down from it. The performance of the model down of is nearly up to the larger one, however in a package 1/4 the size. My wife on the other hand, constantly questions why I need a subwoofer the size of a Volkswagen Lupo, and that it would be "better" if it was smaller and easier to tuck away in a corner, especially if the smaller one was almost as good in the bass reproduction arena.

In my kitchen, I've got a Sonos S5 (one-box network music player) providing music duties. I've actually got some rather excellent active monitors sitting in a box in my attic that I could have used with a ZP90 (the non-integrated Sonos) to get a much better sound, however the fact that the S5 tucks away in a corner makes it a better option in my opinion.

Better means different things for different people, which is what I was pointing out.
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out of interest though - how do you hook your hifi up to your pc? now thats an interesting subject for an article.

Co-axial S/PDIF through to a DAC.
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