Sadly, while all the cables are of sufficient length (even the shortest cables stretch to 50cm), they havenât been braided particularly well. Thereâs a good inch of bare power cables near the connectors on most of the cables, and the 24-pin ATX connector in particular lacks any braid or heatshrink for a good 4in at either end, meaning that it looks quite unsightly.
As good as the PSU might be (whine aside), this lack of attention to detail is simply not good enough for a PSU that costs just shy of £300.
It is just me, or was there no temperature testing? I know these monsters are out of my need, but surely their efficiency decreases as temperature increases...
@tonyd223 We weren't able to test in a temperature controlled lab although the ambient temperature would only have fluctuated by a couple of degrees at most so would have a negligible impact on the results. I think it's fair to say that the ambient temperature range your typical PSU will encounter is very small. Many PSU manufacturers recommend operating temperatures below 50'C too and the fan would also spin up meaning obtaining useful results would be difficult.
@Chicken76 I'll check this with James and Paul who did the testing and get back to you.
Anyone else look at that and feel like vomiting? I know it's not about looks and all....but their revolution series was so much prettier. Also £290 for a power supply? ROFL!
Originally Posted by Chicken76 What was the load on the PSU in the hold-up tests and how was it distributed?
The hold-up tests were carried out 100% load, split pretty across all the rails with an emphasis on the 12V rails, as that's where most of the power draw is from a modern PC.
GPU folding/processing has all but disappeared and there is very little needed for multi GPU gaming hardware currently. I'm failing to see who would possibly buy this.
If you're going to cry about the sleeving, how about also adding a proper photo of the problem? Now there are just 4 photos of the unit itself, with barely any cables showing (yes, I can see some cables, but so what? If the sleeving really is a problem on a £300 unit, surely it's worth a proper picture?).
Dont forget the sales tax that will be added to the US purchase price..varies from state to state though, but i think is an average 8%, even so were still being ripped off...
Originally Posted by Hustler Dont forget the sales tax that will be added to the US purchase price..varies from state to state though, but i think is an average 8%, even so were still being ripped off...
Actually, you can discount the sales tax, I've never been charged sales tax for purchasing online at Newegg :D
...and you know why our prices are so high?....so you lot get subsidised low prices, launch in America at a lower cost than it should be, and they will make those losses back charging extra in other markets.
Uhmmm. Epic fail on the price point. Seasonic-X series is my current range of choice (since I don't need some crazy mo-f**ker PSU) for future machines... :-)
Sadly, while all the cables are of sufficient length (even the shortest cables stretch to 50cm), they haven’t been braided particularly well. There’s a good inch of bare power cables near the connectors on most of the cables, and the 24-pin ATX connector in particular lacks any braid or heatshrink for a good 4in at either end, meaning that it looks quite unsightly.
As good as the PSU might be (whine aside), this lack of attention to detail is simply not good enough for a PSU that costs just shy of £300.
Originally Posted by Hustler Dont forget the sales tax that will be added to the US purchase price..varies from state to state though, but i think is an average 8%, even so were still being ripped off...
That's the whole reason I purposely stripped the VAT from our price: To be able to make a fair, like-for-like comparison.
What different tax rates different governments choose to levy on their electorates is beyond the scope of any company, but there is no good reason the 'before tax' prices are so different. It's profiteering, pure and simple.
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Originally Posted by Hustler ...and you know why our prices are so high?....so you lot get subsidised low prices, launch in America at a lower cost than it should be, and they will make those losses back charging extra in other markets.
I don't think that's a really fair comment to be honest - it's like you're blaming US citizens for getting a good deal. I sincerely doubt goods are sold at a loss over there, the companies still make good profits - they just look at us and see a cash cow ready to be milked. Like you & Lord-Vale3 said, we're just being ripped off.
Sorry if I dragged this slightly off topic, I just look at the quoted prices and the clear and obvious differences infuriate me.
It's not just Enermax, it's pretty much everyone. I just wish people over here would get more worked up over it - perhaps if everyone (media especially) ranted about it all the time something might actually happen. All that seems to happen at the moment is that people have a little grumble now and then and just cough it up anyway.
Hell, with a complacent attitude like that can you blame companies like Enermax for ripping us off?
Originally Posted by John_T That's the whole reason I purposely stripped the VAT from our price: To be able to make a fair, like-for-like comparison.
What different tax rates different governments choose to levy on their electorates is beyond the scope of any company, but there is no good reason the 'before tax' prices are so different. It's profiteering, pure and simple.
I don't think that's a really fair comment to be honest - it's like you're blaming US citizens for getting a good deal. I sincerely doubt goods are sold at a loss over there, the companies still make good profits - they just look at us and see a cash cow ready to be milked. Like you & Lord-Vale3 said, we're just being ripped off.
Sorry if I dragged this slightly off topic, I just look at the quoted prices and the clear and obvious differences infuriate me.
It's not just Enermax, it's pretty much everyone. I just wish people over here would get more worked up over it - perhaps if everyone (media especially) ranted about it all the time something might actually happen. All that seems to happen at the moment is that people have a little grumble now and then and just cough it up anyway.
Hell, with a complacent attitude like that can you blame companies like Enermax for ripping us off?
Oi! Move over to the US if you really think the cost of a top-end PSU means so much
Also: It's an international site, when the PSU hits Finland it's probably going to cost even more than in UK. So what? Life sucks and then you ****ing die. Suck it up, buy something else or just change the hobby.
Originally Posted by Jipa Oi! Move over to the US if you really think the cost of a top-end PSU means so much
Well, that kind of misses the whole point. It's not just about a top end PSU, it's about pretty much everything electronic or software related we buy - and for no valid reason other than we let them get away with it.
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Originally Posted by Jipa Also: It's an international site, when the PSU hits Finland it's probably going to cost even more than in UK. So what? Life sucks and then you ****ing die. Suck it up, buy something else or just change the hobby.
Well that's a mature and considered response isn't it? Never mind the fact that I'm talking about UK prices (which other posters brought up before me) on a UK-based site with UK-based staff, your answer is: "So what? Life sucks and then you ****ing die."
Well done.
Just because you may get ripped off in Finland even more than we do here, we don't have to be happy about being ripped off ourselves. And no, I don't see that I should just shut up and take up gardening either. But thanks for the advice.
Originally Posted by John_T Just because you may get ripped off in Finland even more than we do here, we don't have to be happy about being ripped off ourselves. And no, I don't see that I should just shut up and take up gardening either. But thanks for the advice.
Indeed, that's true! Instead, you can be really upset on a forum. But yeah it's absolutely stupid flaming at this point. Have a lovely rest of the life, and sorry for saying what I think.
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ReplyAs good as the PSU might be (whine aside), this lack of attention to detail is simply not good enough for a PSU that costs just shy of £300.
@Chicken76 I'll check this with James and Paul who did the testing and get back to you.
Makes me glad I picked up my 1200w hcp for 135 quid delivered :D
The hold-up tests were carried out 100% load, split pretty across all the rails with an emphasis on the 12V rails, as that's where most of the power draw is from a modern PC.
Not at 50% load, but anything above 80% or so, it started to whine :(
Lovely PSU though.
Now, the current UK / US exchange rate is (roughly): £1 = $1.60 (Or $1 = £0.62 for those that prefer)
So the comparable price of the unit in both countries, both without taxes is:
UK = £241.67 / $386.67
US = £185.38 / $299
That's an approximate 30% premium we're expected to pay in the UK that has nothing to do with tax.
Anyone else feel like these companies are taking the p*** out of us?
Actually, you can discount the sales tax, I've never been charged sales tax for purchasing online at Newegg :D
You folks over there really do get ripped off.
Also, I would just go with the Antec.
...and you know why our prices are so high?....so you lot get subsidised low prices, launch in America at a lower cost than it should be, and they will make those losses back charging extra in other markets.
This.
That's the whole reason I purposely stripped the VAT from our price: To be able to make a fair, like-for-like comparison.
What different tax rates different governments choose to levy on their electorates is beyond the scope of any company, but there is no good reason the 'before tax' prices are so different. It's profiteering, pure and simple.
I don't think that's a really fair comment to be honest - it's like you're blaming US citizens for getting a good deal. I sincerely doubt goods are sold at a loss over there, the companies still make good profits - they just look at us and see a cash cow ready to be milked. Like you & Lord-Vale3 said, we're just being ripped off.
Sorry if I dragged this slightly off topic, I just look at the quoted prices and the clear and obvious differences infuriate me.
It's not just Enermax, it's pretty much everyone. I just wish people over here would get more worked up over it - perhaps if everyone (media especially) ranted about it all the time something might actually happen. All that seems to happen at the moment is that people have a little grumble now and then and just cough it up anyway.
Hell, with a complacent attitude like that can you blame companies like Enermax for ripping us off?
Oi! Move over to the US if you really think the cost of a top-end PSU means so much
Also: It's an international site, when the PSU hits Finland it's probably going to cost even more than in UK. So what? Life sucks and then you ****ing die. Suck it up, buy something else or just change the hobby.
Well, that kind of misses the whole point. It's not just about a top end PSU, it's about pretty much everything electronic or software related we buy - and for no valid reason other than we let them get away with it.
Well that's a mature and considered response isn't it? Never mind the fact that I'm talking about UK prices (which other posters brought up before me) on a UK-based site with UK-based staff, your answer is: "So what? Life sucks and then you ****ing die."
Well done.
Just because you may get ripped off in Finland even more than we do here, we don't have to be happy about being ripped off ourselves. And no, I don't see that I should just shut up and take up gardening either. But thanks for the advice.
Indeed, that's true! Instead, you can be really upset on a forum. But yeah it's absolutely stupid flaming at this point. Have a lovely rest of the life, and sorry for saying what I think.
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