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Thermaltake Toughpower 1500W PSU

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Gunsmith 16th April 2008, 09:41 Quote
i bought this psu as it was the only one available at the time to supprt tri-sli and im sorry but i hate it with a passion, sure the specs are nice but its a bloody nightmare to work with and cable, the 8 to six pin pci-e adaptors are a joke and can turn any beutifully crafted machine into a ****ing rats nest.

i have mine up for sale if anyone wants it.
Scirocco 16th April 2008, 09:46 Quote
Yikes, that's a monster!! Do the all the lights in town flicker when that thing is switched on? ;P
Bindibadgi 16th April 2008, 09:56 Quote
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Originally Posted by Gunsmith
i bought this psu as it was the only one available at the time to supprt tri-sli and im sorry but i hate it with a passion, sure the specs are nice but its a bloody nightmare to work with and cable, the 8 to six pin pci-e adaptors are a joke and can turn any beutifully crafted machine into a ****ing rats nest.

i have mine up for sale if anyone wants it.

I agree - the cabling could have been done *a lot* better
[USRF]Obiwan 16th April 2008, 10:51 Quote
seems all overkill to me. I think in the future we don't even have to go that far for power anyway, because the consumers demand for efficient green power rated devices (like videocards, cpu's etc) is getting more and more support. even Bit-tech is measuring power consumption nowadays with testing all kinds of hardware.

Even 3xSLI is overkill, in a few months you may have a single slot PCI-E card that runs around all three filled PCI-E slots with two fingers up the nose.
naokaji 16th April 2008, 10:51 Quote
The only good products that have a Thermaltake label are the psu's because they are not made by them.

Shame about the heat though, especially outside of a case... I mean inside a Case the ambient temp will be much higher so its questionable if the psu would really hold up at 1,5kw load, but then as bit-tech proofed, no system pulls that much power anyway so it can be forgiven.
Bindibadgi 16th April 2008, 11:23 Quote
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Originally Posted by naokaji
The only good products that have a Thermaltake label are the psu's because they are not made by them.

Shame about the heat though, especially outside of a case... I mean inside a Case the ambient temp will be much higher so its questionable if the psu would really hold up at 1,5kw load, but then as bit-tech proofed, no system pulls that much power anyway so it can be forgiven.

But then if you never have a system that pulls that much power, why do you need a 1,500W PSU? It's a negative cycle.
Jipa 16th April 2008, 11:40 Quote
And I even laugh at people who buy PSUs over 700 W.. Damn that's over double it.

Current mid-spec rigs take about 300 W, so the 1000 W PSUs seem like showcase products to me. And I hope it stays that way, I don't want to see standard PCs consuming any more power than they already do.
Mankz 16th April 2008, 11:46 Quote
48DBa?

Next please.
mrb_no1 16th April 2008, 11:51 Quote
nice article rich. One thing that strikes me is that if you are going to do something why not do it properly...for example, this psu is aimed at the uber e-peen user who by my guess will probably have a window on his case to show his dual sockett skulltrail with tri sli and all the trimmings, yet the unsightlycable management would negate showing off what inside if it looks, as GUNSMITH says...."a ****ing rats nest".

Something else i noticed from the pics is the non pairing of the gpu connections on the psu, i'd have designed it to have the six pin on top, and the 8 pin underneath so its paired for one card rather than 2 reveresed L shapes....if that makes any sense to anyone.

Finally the price, as a high end product with its flaws, the price indicates a lesser product for the money to me. Whilst the PC Power and Cooling goods for some 300 squid is ludicrous(i dont even like their stuff anyways) it has more of the right idea at appearing super high end where these psu's live. So to me, it appears as an attempt at making a product that they didnt quite pull of, but money had been spent on r and d so it's going to see the market before anymore money is lost on a niche product rather than spending some more and hitting the market with a pow as they have the efficency, but some more time looking at cooling and cable design that enthusiasts prefer would mean it could easily have been the choice for all wanting a 1500w psu....as always its only what i think.

note: i was well surprised that you can run tri sli on 9XXX for like less than 500w, i thought most cards under load used 150-200Watts, obviously more if you have x2 revisions but then they are special.

peace

fatman
mrb_no1 16th April 2008, 12:00 Quote
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"but that's because it was only loaded to ~450W, peaking at 515W. "
Rich S

I checked, and from the article http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2008/04/01/nvidia_geforce_9800_gtx_512mb/17 your tests indicated that one 9800GTX under load uses 285 Watts, therefore 3 would use 855 Watts. I dont wish to undermind you bindi but from my level of understanding you've made a booboo in calculations, but then i dont do this for a living so if you can put my mind at rest and say which is truer and if i am wrong, give an explanation so i know where my thinking took the u turn i'd be greatful.

cheers

fatman
bubsterboo 16th April 2008, 12:25 Quote
@ mrb_no1:

I think that power rating is for the entire computer. Not just the video card.
Cupboard 16th April 2008, 12:38 Quote
wow.
40a at 12v ~ 480W which is more than some power supplies produce as a whole!
Completely ott though
And which PSU manufacturers are paying Nvidia to only licence 1100W PSUs for 3-SLI? or maybe it is just to guard against rubbish makes
Squadexodus 16th April 2008, 14:06 Quote
This isn't overkill. Why would this be overkill? This couldn't be overkill.
Imagine the mess if this wasn't modular.
MrMonroe 16th April 2008, 16:36 Quote
Good god.

I've never seen a PSU bottlenecked by the rest of the comp before.
Emon 16th April 2008, 16:59 Quote
"Thermaltake has uses glue instead of zip ties to hold the heatshrink on the ends – zip ties compress the cables and make them heat up more under heavy use. This results in higher resistance and poorer voltages or inefficiency, but the effect is dependent on the quality of cable used though."
Anyone else notice the ridiculousness of this statement?

If there is enough current on the wires that heat matters, something is very, very wrong. Quality of the cable? Uh, copper is copper. Gauge is all that matters.
Bindibadgi 16th April 2008, 17:04 Quote
Sometimes they use steel instead of copper to save money - there is a copper shortage in China at the moment. I sympathise with what you're saying but at the same time I've also been told by more than one PSU manufacturer (or representative) that it is "an issue". Pinch of salt either way.

bubsterboo - yes, that's the reading at the wall socket so even after the efficiency loss too.
naokaji 16th April 2008, 18:06 Quote
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Originally Posted by Cupboard
wow.
40a at 12v ~ 480W which is more than some power supplies produce as a whole!
Completely ott though
And which PSU manufacturers are paying Nvidia to only licence 1100W PSUs for 3-SLI? or maybe it is just to guard against rubbish makes

Most likely it is to guard them from rubbish psu's... there are psu's out there that are rated at 600W and more but coudnt power more than a E2160 a single hdd, a single fan and a geforce 7300, its the type of psu you find included in budget cases or super cheap on ebay. there are plenty of psu's out there with a fake Watt rating, a decent psu can easily cost 100£, so its financially attractive to buy the cheapest s**t that exists and put a 700W label on it and flog in on ebay.
Jojii 16th April 2008, 18:10 Quote
3x9800? what kinda of resolution and frame rates did you get?
Bindibadgi 16th April 2008, 18:11 Quote
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Originally Posted by Jojii
3x9800? what kinda of resolution and frame rates did you get?

Tim will have a full review shortly of this and Quad-SLI. I will also be covering it in more general depth in my upcoming 790i Ultra SLI article.
[USRF]Obiwan 16th April 2008, 18:31 Quote
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Originally Posted by Bindibadgi
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Originally Posted by Jojii
3x9800? what kinda of resolution and frame rates did you get?

Tim will have a full review shortly of this and Quad-SLI. I will also be covering it in more general depth in my upcoming 790i Ultra SLI article.

Nice! So we can rant about the bugs in the 790i like hd failures and the like ;)
Bindibadgi 16th April 2008, 19:37 Quote
HDD failures? That's not one I've had. Destroying my windows installation IS one it's done though. That and a whole number of other problems. I'll put it this way - how long as 790i been released and how long has our review taken? :S
Cupboard 16th April 2008, 22:40 Quote
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Originally Posted by Bindibadgi
HDD failures? That's not one I've had. Destroying my windows installation IS one it's done though. That and a whole number of other problems. I'll put it this way - how long as 790i been released and how long has our review taken? :S

doesn't really bode well...
Oh well - I think we would all prefer a quality review than a rushed one!
LordPyrinc 17th April 2008, 02:20 Quote
1500 W? I thought I was going overboard with a 700 W PSU when I replaced my stock computer PSU. Granted, I didn't get modular wires and such, but 1500 W does seem excessive. IMHO, I believe multi video card solutions in the long run will only hurt the PC market. Give us better single video cards solutions so that the masses will be more inclined to stick with PCs for gaming and not go over to consoles.

I have a quad core processor on the mother board, why can't I get the equivalent on my video card without having to buy a case that can handle two or more video cards? The industry needs to focus on single video card solutions.
jhanlon303 17th April 2008, 02:32 Quote
So here I am building mini-ITX systems that draw 60 watts max. C7 chips, SSHD, and maybe - 1 half height DVD for media players. Tell me again why I need 1500 watt power supplies. This is just beyond belief when people are trying to "green" the PC. I'm not a tree hugger but this is insane power. Look at Shuttles new KPC as the "new rig". When even Shuttle is in the game, 1500 watts is absurd!
John
Amon 17th April 2008, 07:09 Quote
I'm pretty sure anyone with a pretty good, $20,000 reason for needing 1500 watts would have just used two or more power supplies instead of this... completely unnecessary.
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