Originally Posted by Breach What is with the Lian-Li drive bay cooler? That just seems incredibly lazy for a company that had the rest of the chassis precision cut and manufactured.
Yes...... That's what i thought when i saw this machine...... Lazy buggers........
Christ, some people are never happy! :'(
You'll be complaining that they didn't synthesise their own coolant next.
Definitely the worst dream PC so far.
Seriously, only three hard-drives?
"We could have gone with 3-way SLI and eight SSDs, but you have to draw the line somewhere."
lol, right.
So if you compromise, is it really a dream PC? Whatever.
So out of the four we've seen so far, nice machines.
But they aren't dream pcs by a long shot I'm afraid. Cost isn't supposed to be a factor here. It's the biggest and best you can come up with. Last few years we've had some of the best ideas, builds (hello fully submerged with waterfalls!).
This year....well I expected steak, I got a McDonalds happy meal.
Joined a few days ago, waiting for a decent system to put my 2 pence on:
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Originally Posted by Dragunover Definitely the worst dream PC so far.
U nuts or blind:|
This is the only system I would even consider Dream PC worthy apart from the SCAN one. They are the only 2 who bothered to put any originality into the design or concept. Imo it should have won hands down (the SCAN has obviously had a lot of money spent on it but it looks ) - best concept, best chassis, best cooling, the mag says its the fastest PC they have ever tested.
And last years was a bit of a joke, the waterfall u mean was Armari which wasn't even tested or benched and I remember they said it had over £100k of R&D on it and it was something they had been doing for years.
They are thinking in the right direction with the frame. They even broke it into sections so it wouldn't waste as much material. The customizing potential is there. They just haven't used it yet. If they had added a milled reservoir bracket sticking out of the top, you might have gotten a better idea of how flexible the design is. It's like Lego bricks.:D
Originally Posted by Neoplasmic Yes...... That's what i thought when i saw this machine...... Lazy buggers........
Christ, some people are never happy! :'(
You'll be complaining that they didn't synthesise their own coolant next.
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Originally Posted by Cheapskate They are thinking in the right direction with the frame. They even broke it into sections so it wouldn't waste as much material. The customizing potential is there. They just haven't used it yet. If they had added a milled reservoir bracket sticking out of the top, you might have gotten a better idea of how flexible the design is. It's like Lego bricks.:D
I have to agree with these comments. I fail to see why everyone is so underwhelmed.
A commercial 4.4ghz overclock, with super flexible watercooling loop, tec water chillers and an awesome looking case. might lack some storage, but comeon! This is a great pc and it looks great!
Personally I like the silver I/O panel on the bottom. The only reason for the 6GB of RAM is because you can't OC as hard with all banks full on the mobo :D, realistically you don't need more than that anyway, especially with Windows 7 and if you desperately needed more I am sure they would add it for you (at a cost) lol.
Originally Posted by The boy 4rm oz Personally I like the silver I/O panel on the bottom. The only reason for the 6GB of RAM is because you can't OC as hard with all banks full on the mobo :D, realistically you don't need more than that anyway, especially with Windows 7 and if you desperately needed more I am sure they would add it for you (at a cost) lol.
Yep, you're dead right there. I believe SCAN also stated this in their writeup of the Jellyfish. I'm sure Kobalt would be happy to put some more RAM in there, but it would be at the cost of some overclocking on the CPU.
Originally Posted by andrew8200m Similar spec to my pc and clocked lower... I bet I didn't spend half of what they would ask!
Andy
Similar spec maybe, I bet they could build a system the same as yours for a lot less as well but this is not "Build it at home PC 2009", its "Dream PC 2009";-) Look at the chassis alone - I recon the case must cost over a grand by itself, someone else said carbon panels are probably ££££ (dunno exact dimensions but prob over £300 per panel from what i've seen on the internet), acrylic TEC boxes etc etc etc.
Isn't this competition supposed to be about 'innovation', 'originality', 'performance' and essentially producing something the general enthusiast couldn't do for himself. Sure TEC is smart but is it actually any different to water cooling, looks very much like standard water cooling to me, and performance figures are the same as for a standard water cooled setup, so why the extra £4k!!?? It looks nice though, but then i could buy a lot fo things that look nicer than a PC for a lot less than £10k. The Cryo has its issues but at least im getting an awesome clock speed for my money...
Having said that all these guys sink a ton of money, time and headaches into developing this stuff to entertain us and should be applauded for their efforts!!
As for Scan, i'd need sunglasses and headache pills to keep that in the corner of my room, well, what were the judging panel thinking of?!...
Originally Posted by HighOctane As for Scan, i'd need sunglasses and headache pills to keep that in the corner of my room, well, what were the judging panel thinking of?!...
I've only seen one low-res pic of the Scan entry but GOD was it ever ugleh!
Originally Posted by HighOctane The Cryo has its issues but at least im getting an awesome clock speed for my money...
:| What's the point in having a 4.7ghz overclock when they had to turn the hyperthreading off to (assumedly) make it stable? Plus, the cryo actually LOST to the Kobalt machine in WPrime and Cinebench by quite a margin.
Plus if you look at the temperatures of the SCAN and Kobalt (especially, seeing as they re-wired and essentially, overclocked their TEC units) machines, the figures speak for themselves. Add to that the fact that phase-change units make the system sound like it has a small, aerospace grade turbine in it, i just can't see how anyone can justify purchasing the Cryo PC.
Originally Posted by HighOctane The Cryo has its issues but at least im getting an awesome clock speed for my money...
:| What's the point in having a 4.7ghz overclock when they had to turn the hyperthreading off to (assumedly) make it stable? Plus, the cryo actually LOST to the Kobalt machine in WPrime and Cinebench by quite a margin.
Plus if you look at the temperatures of the SCAN and Kobalt (especially, seeing as they re-wired and essentially, overclocked their TEC units) machines, the figures speak for themselves. Add to that the fact that phase-change units make the system sound like it has a small, aerospace grade turbine in it, i just can't see how anyone can justify purchasing the Cryo PC.
Good point! My guess is that at -40C vs the slightly lower than ambient cooling of the Kobalt stability isn't an issue HT on or off as they have had these systems at 5GHz i believe so 4.7GHz should be relatively modest, would be nice to have it verified though. I read in another CPC article that HT is one of those things that works, for gaming loads of people were turning it off as it added no benefit. WPrime and Cinebench do benefit from more cores, so logically its winning because it has 8 cores vs the Cryo's 4. Cos clock for clock, the Cryo should clearly always be quicker as it demolished them all in the CPC Image and Multitasking Bench scores, and the memory is clocked higher iirc, ie so why wouldn't it be? Pity they didn't think to turn HT on for all PC's?? Seems the obvious thing to do cant compare apples to pears etc...probably cba syndrome kicking in.
It's not a case of cba syndrome at all - we didn't enable HT on the Cryo PC because that's how they configured it, and we were reviewing their system, i.e. their choice of hardware/software/settings, not trying to find the best overclock. If we started changing settings then we wouldn't be reviewing a Cryo PC product anymore.
Originally Posted by Lizard It's not a case of cba syndrome at all - we didn't enable HT on the Cryo PC because that's how they configured it, and we were reviewing their system, i.e. their choice of hardware/software/settings, not trying to find the best overclock. If we started changing settings then we wouldn't be reviewing a Cryo PC product anymore.
I still don't think any of these systems is worth as much as it costs. They sure are amazing builds and I'd kill for the hardware in them but building it yourself is just so much nicer.
It's good to see what out there though, if for inspirational reasons only.
Having looked at all the pcs again and again, i think custom pc have been really biased as this should be the winner for so many reasons. Scans is ugly and doesnt even have incredible hardware, this case> and its just awesome, i hope next year its fair
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Yes...... That's what i thought when i saw this machine...... Lazy buggers........
Christ, some people are never happy! :'(
You'll be complaining that they didn't synthesise their own coolant next.
They didn't even synthesise the coolant, what is this?
Still, it's a hell of a lot prettier than the Jellyfish.
Seriously, only three hard-drives?
"We could have gone with 3-way SLI and eight SSDs, but you have to draw the line somewhere."
lol, right.
So if you compromise, is it really a dream PC? Whatever.
But they aren't dream pcs by a long shot I'm afraid. Cost isn't supposed to be a factor here. It's the biggest and best you can come up with. Last few years we've had some of the best ideas, builds (hello fully submerged with waterfalls!).
This year....well I expected steak, I got a McDonalds happy meal.
U nuts or blind:|
This is the only system I would even consider Dream PC worthy apart from the SCAN one. They are the only 2 who bothered to put any originality into the design or concept. Imo it should have won hands down (the SCAN has obviously had a lot of money spent on it but it looks ) - best concept, best chassis, best cooling, the mag says its the fastest PC they have ever tested.
And last years was a bit of a joke, the waterfall u mean was Armari which wasn't even tested or benched and I remember they said it had over £100k of R&D on it and it was something they had been doing for years.
I agree with you man. But partially. Carbon Fiber side panels may worth it and they have said that there is head room for overclocking.
I have to agree with these comments. I fail to see why everyone is so underwhelmed.
A commercial 4.4ghz overclock, with super flexible watercooling loop, tec water chillers and an awesome looking case. might lack some storage, but comeon! This is a great pc and it looks great!
It's nice and all but for 7.5k I EXPECT it to be perfect. And wtf @ 6GB?!
That i can agree with! ;)
Yep, you're dead right there. I believe SCAN also stated this in their writeup of the Jellyfish. I'm sure Kobalt would be happy to put some more RAM in there, but it would be at the cost of some overclocking on the CPU.
Similar spec maybe, I bet they could build a system the same as yours for a lot less as well but this is not "Build it at home PC 2009", its "Dream PC 2009";-) Look at the chassis alone - I recon the case must cost over a grand by itself, someone else said carbon panels are probably ££££ (dunno exact dimensions but prob over £300 per panel from what i've seen on the internet), acrylic TEC boxes etc etc etc.
Having said that all these guys sink a ton of money, time and headaches into developing this stuff to entertain us and should be applauded for their efforts!!
As for Scan, i'd need sunglasses and headache pills to keep that in the corner of my room, well, what were the judging panel thinking of?!...
:| What's the point in having a 4.7ghz overclock when they had to turn the hyperthreading off to (assumedly) make it stable? Plus, the cryo actually LOST to the Kobalt machine in WPrime and Cinebench by quite a margin.
Plus if you look at the temperatures of the SCAN and Kobalt (especially, seeing as they re-wired and essentially, overclocked their TEC units) machines, the figures speak for themselves. Add to that the fact that phase-change units make the system sound like it has a small, aerospace grade turbine in it, i just can't see how anyone can justify purchasing the Cryo PC.
Good point! My guess is that at -40C vs the slightly lower than ambient cooling of the Kobalt stability isn't an issue HT on or off as they have had these systems at 5GHz i believe so 4.7GHz should be relatively modest, would be nice to have it verified though. I read in another CPC article that HT is one of those things that works, for gaming loads of people were turning it off as it added no benefit. WPrime and Cinebench do benefit from more cores, so logically its winning because it has 8 cores vs the Cryo's 4. Cos clock for clock, the Cryo should clearly always be quicker as it demolished them all in the CPC Image and Multitasking Bench scores, and the memory is clocked higher iirc, ie so why wouldn't it be? Pity they didn't think to turn HT on for all PC's?? Seems the obvious thing to do cant compare apples to pears etc...probably cba syndrome kicking in.
Was being flippant actually... ;)
It's good to see what out there though, if for inspirational reasons only.
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