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QNAP TS-219P Turbo NAS Review

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Fractal 18th October 2010, 09:55 Quote
Very nice. A pity it is still far more economic to re-purpose an old computer or build a new cheap one than too buy a NAS. This discrepancy seems to increase with the number of HDDs one wants to support.
leexgx 18th October 2010, 11:00 Quote
and for the data rate as well still quite poor these devices can't do HDD speeds even when using gigabit networking (large file copy should be 80MB/s at least or maxed out (110-120MB/s) when in RAID 0)
Phil Rhodes 18th October 2010, 13:00 Quote
I don't think there's anything wrong with the product, I just think it sits in a rather uneasy niche. Anyone savvy enough to understand what one of these does and want to own one is also likely to be savvy enough to knock one up out of third-hand parts for a lot less money.
Fingers66 18th October 2010, 13:07 Quote
At the bottom of page one of the review, you mention the Synology NAS products yet these do not appear in the test results.

Can we expect to see a review of the Synology devices?
Lizard 18th October 2010, 13:14 Quote
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Originally Posted by Fingers66
Can we expect to see a review of the Synology devices?

Yes, we're intending to get the reviews finished off so they can be published later this week.
Nikumba 18th October 2010, 15:09 Quote
I know this is odd question but since these can function as DLNA devices, what about an article or a test on which work best serving out media to PS3/360 and the like?

For instance PS3 hates MKV files, so need to be transcoding, normally needing a PC, but can these boxes do that?

Kimbie
wuyanxu 18th October 2010, 16:25 Quote
which Synology are you reviewing?

i've got Ds410j filled with 8TB worth of disks. it is brilliant in features, although a bit slow. to be honest, i don't think you really need speed with NAS boxes, it's for storage, as long as it can be used to store the data you want to save from disk failures. besides, as long as its speed is fast enough for streaming a couple PC HD contents, why bother with wanting faster?
Lizard 18th October 2010, 17:14 Quote
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Originally Posted by wuyanxu
which Synology are you reviewing?

We're concentrating on dual-bay NAS boxes for now, so have reviews of the DS210+ and DS210J in the works.
jimbok11 18th October 2010, 17:22 Quote
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Originally Posted by Lizard
We're concentrating on dual-bay NAS boxes for now, so have reviews of the DS210+ and DS210J in the works.

Cool - looking forward to those reviews...Synology seems to have rave followers, so keen to see how they perform after a bit-tech grilling ;)
wuyanxu 18th October 2010, 17:43 Quote
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Originally Posted by Lizard
We're concentrating on dual-bay NAS boxes for now, so have reviews of the DS210+ and DS210J in the works.
well, don't forget to put on DSM 3 firmware. i just noticed my NAS has been updated to DSM 3.0, might update to it tonight, multi-tasking desktop interface in your browser!
Fabou 18th October 2010, 17:51 Quote
I think NAS are really meant for company and small bizness normal guy will be Ok with teir PC and usb hdd and tech passionnate will prefer to build their.
Nexxo 18th October 2010, 17:53 Quote
Given that this is an "always on" device, what is its power consumption?
Burdman27911 18th October 2010, 18:43 Quote
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Originally Posted by Nexxo
Given that this is an "always on" device, what is its power consumption?

+1. Power consumption is great to know, both for idle and during file transfers.
Combatus 18th October 2010, 18:44 Quote
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Originally Posted by Nexxo
Given that this is an "always on" device, what is its power consumption?

I'll get back to you on that but it's less than 25W with a single hard disk installed.
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Originally Posted by wuyanxu
well, don't forget to put on DSM 3 firmware. i just noticed my NAS has been updated to DSM 3.0, might update to it tonight, multi-tasking desktop interface in your browser!

It has indeed - we tested with both the stock and DSM 3 - the latter came out as we were finishing testing though we had very limited time to play with it. Watch this space!
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Originally Posted by Fabou
I think NAS are really meant for company and small bizness normal guy will be Ok with teir PC and usb hdd and tech passionnate will prefer to build their.

You say that but NAS's are very popular. If you just have one PC that you leave on all the time, that's fair enough, but if you have several PCs which are rarely on at the same time and want to share/sync data from a single location, this is very difficult to do without a NAS box. In addition, NAS boxes can act as media servers and can run bit-torrent clients without any need for a PC to be running.
travisco_nabisco 18th October 2010, 18:47 Quote
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Originally Posted by Nexxo
Given that this is an "always on" device, what is its power consumption?

smallnetbuilder.com did a review and found the power consumption was 9W idle and 28W active.

I have an IoMega 2 drive NAS and while I could have built my own for around the same price, maybe cheaper, I can not match the low power consumption of a dedicated unit. Also if you buy the right brand you can often get root access to the OS and modify the features a bit for your own needs.
wuyanxu 18th October 2010, 23:11 Quote
got DSM 3 for my Synology Ds410j, my god it's fantastic. over 30% speed increase in RAID 5, and 100% speed increase in single disk volume. (in fact, pretty sure F3eco 2TB can only do 70MB/s sustained transfer rate)

interface is brilliant, feels like using a computer, except it's within my browser. it's so well programmed that i can even access desktop version through my iphone without any problem.

only thing didn't love was that they've removed the list of process that usually appears next to resource graph. no biggie, some Putty and "top" will do.

hope Bit-tech will do a proper review on DSM 3.0. it's brilliant. in fact, anyone can try this out here: http://www.synology.com/enu/products/demo/index.php
Fingers66 18th October 2010, 23:22 Quote
Just tried it...

...wow! Absolutely brilliant! +rep on that mate (excuse the new folder called "wuyanxu") :D.

;)
travisco_nabisco 18th October 2010, 23:50 Quote
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Originally Posted by wuyanxu
got DSM 3 for my Synology Ds410j, my god it's fantastic. over 30% speed increase in RAID 5, and 100% speed increase in single disk volume. (in fact, pretty sure F3eco 2TB can only do 70MB/s sustained transfer rate)

interface is brilliant, feels like using a computer, except it's within my browser. it's so well programmed that i can even access desktop version through my iphone without any problem.

only thing didn't love was that they've removed the list of process that usually appears next to resource graph. no biggie, some Putty and "top" will do.

hope Bit-tech will do a proper review on DSM 3.0. it's brilliant. in fact, anyone can try this out here: http://www.synology.com/enu/products/demo/index.php

Have they added better NTFS support for USB attached HDD's? I ask because at my company we have a DS1010+ and copying data to the external NTFS HDD is very, very slow.
hexx 19th October 2010, 14:19 Quote
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Originally Posted by Nikumba
I know this is odd question but since these can function as DLNA devices, what about an article or a test on which work best serving out media to PS3/360 and the like?

For instance PS3 hates MKV files, so need to be transcoding, normally needing a PC, but can these boxes do that?

Kimbie

nope, they can't
hexx 19th October 2010, 14:20 Quote
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Originally Posted by Lizard
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Originally Posted by wuyanxu
which Synology are you reviewing?

We're concentrating on dual-bay NAS boxes for now, so have reviews of the DS210+ and DS210J in the works.

any chance to review ds209? - it should be faster
hexx 19th October 2010, 14:37 Quote
i can't really decide what to get. i've got only 100Mb router (could upgrade later but can't be asked now). would you go for synology or qnap or on this router i wouldn't spot the difference between those two and for example WD world edition?

I need following:
time machine
itunes
remote access

would be nice to have:
print server
mysql/php - simply web server
wuyanxu 19th October 2010, 14:52 Quote
hexx, synology supports everything you've asked for. any synology product will do, as they all run the same DSM software. including PHP and web server.

but i won't be too excited on itunes server, it's rubbish, itunes sees it as a network share, and you cannot add to your local library. bet to simply backup your songs periodicly.


no, no pre-built NAS can support video transcoding. only way to get it is t build a PC box of your own, with the transcoders and powerful enough CPU.
hexx 19th October 2010, 15:23 Quote
wuyanxu - thank you very much. that's the question i'm facing. if i would really see any difference on my 100Mb router between synology/qnap and wd world edition - you know wd world edition with drives costs less than ds209
wuyanxu 19th October 2010, 15:51 Quote
my Ds410j does over 70MB/s sustained read from a single drive (volume 2, single drive volume), as far as i can tell, all J model use the same processor. so single drive speed should be pretty much the same.
meaning it will be limited by the 100Mb ethernet, limited down to about 12MB/s.

i have not looked at WD world edition, so not sure whether it can act as web server or print server. but remember, you will see the speed difference when you upgrade your router, it's a must. the router is your infrastructure, if you got all the parts around it, but information cannot flow freely around in your network, you WILL be frustrated.

i was copying files to my NAS with Virgin 100 ethernet router. and due to the fact it saturated the ethernet port on the router, even browsing internet is slow, and gaming while copying is out of question. streaming HD contents will see a lot of buffering whenever you try to jump, whereas with gigabit, it's pretty much same as on your local machine.
hexx 19th October 2010, 15:58 Quote
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Originally Posted by wuyanxu
my Ds410j does over 70MB/s sustained read from a single drive (volume 2, single drive volume), as far as i can tell, all J model use the same processor. so single drive speed should be pretty much the same.
meaning it will be limited by the 100Mb ethernet, limited down to about 12MB/s.

i have not looked at WD world edition, so not sure whether it can act as web server or print server. but remember, you will see the speed difference when you upgrade your router, it's a must. the router is your infrastructure, if you got all the parts around it, but information cannot flow freely around in your network, you WILL be frustrated.

i was copying files to my NAS with Virgin 100 ethernet router. and due to the fact it saturated the ethernet port on the router, even browsing internet is slow, and gaming while copying is out of question. streaming HD contents will see a lot of buffering whenever you try to jump, whereas with gigabit, it's pretty much same as on your local machine.

I live in a shared house and there's broadband from virgin and i don't have access to router. so i've got pair of homeplug boxes - one connected to virgin router and another is on the second floor in my room and is plugged to my old zoom x6 router which simply acts as a switch and then to this switch is connected ps3, tv and my laptop. i might upgrade that router with a proper switch to get support of 1Gb LAN - i don't really need anyone else from house to access my data so currently i'm using external usb drive which is getting full that's why i'm thinking what to do. I almost bought ds209 once but then i decided to wait for new model since ds209 has been on the market for some time but there's no updated version yet and they sell it with DSM3.0 so i might just get it and get 1Gb switch. I need dual drive nas for sure - RAID1 - i've lost all my data once and i don't want this to happen again
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