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Asus Maximus VI Impact Review

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Cei 20th November 2013, 12:08 Quote
Very glad I dropped the £200 for one of these for my ITX build - an awesome board that doesn't compromise despite its size. The audio card is a really good touch, and I think ASUS's attention to audio recently is a very good thing.
SchizoFrog 20th November 2013, 13:41 Quote
That is the only real thing annoying me about this review, but I think it is a massive omission. Bit-Tech, you mention the included soundcard but then do nothing to review this part of the board.
jrs77 20th November 2013, 14:41 Quote
Allthough I really like this board for it's features (especially the soundcard), it has one big flaw for me persoanlly... the powerboard.
It makes aircooling impossible, as the heat from a topdown-blower get's trapped inbetween the powerboarda, the soundcard and the GPU leading to high temperatures for all components.

And as Schizo said... why's there no more detailed look at the soundcard?
SchizoFrog 20th November 2013, 15:21 Quote
jrs77:

That is an interesting point. Do you have any evidence to base it on though or are you just musing your guessed opinions?
Cei 20th November 2013, 18:29 Quote
jrs77, air cooling is not impossible, you just don't use a top-down blower. Conventional tower coolers are absolutely fine - I'm using a Noctau NH-U9B SE2.
RedFlames 20th November 2013, 19:41 Quote
Not all ITX cases have the space for a tower cooler... and it could make fitting certain tower coolers a bit of a pain... Not only do you have to worry about it potentially encroaching on the ram slots, you have the two daughterboards to work around too...

Not saying it's impossible to air cool, but you would have to choose your cooler carefully...
SchizoFrog 20th November 2013, 21:05 Quote
Personally in a very small Mini-ITX case I would go for an AIO cooler as that would solves all the issues that seem to arise.
littlepuppi 20th November 2013, 21:44 Quote
I have put one of these in my water build and love it, cracker of a board.
Combatus 20th November 2013, 23:11 Quote
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Originally Posted by SchizoFrog
That is the only real thing annoying me about this review, but I think it is a massive omission. Bit-Tech, you mention the included soundcard but then do nothing to review this part of the board.

On-board sound cards are notoriously difficult to test objectively and even software tests for noise very often throw up odd results, which is why the vast majority of review sites don't test them. If anyone has any suggestions other than a subjective 'it sounds better' test we're all ears!
Asouter 20th November 2013, 23:21 Quote
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Originally Posted by Combatus
we're all ears!

I see what you done there, very good :)

I have this fine motherboard and have no complaints at all, a good layout and will soon install an M.2 ssd
ZERO <ibis> 20th November 2013, 23:35 Quote
No onboard sound card will ever compare to a dedicated external DAC. They should ditch the internal one and give us a second net port.
Combatus 20th November 2013, 23:38 Quote
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Originally Posted by Cei
jrs77, air cooling is not impossible, you just don't use a top-down blower. Conventional tower coolers are absolutely fine - I'm using a Noctau NH-U9B SE2.

I'd also argue that if you're buying a £170 motherboard, it would also make sense to to at least use a tower cooler, if not an all-in-one liquid cooler. Something like the Phanteks PH-TC90LS would go well with a cheaper board such as the MSI Z87I for example.
jrs77 21st November 2013, 01:35 Quote
I despise watercooling these days, but that's just me, and I've had too many issues with AIO-watercoolers.

Back in the days it was fun to watercool your Celeron 400A overclocking it to some 600MHz tho, bet we needed to build our own watercooling-equipment :p

I've come along way, but these days I'm simply getting old and more rational
Bindibadgi 21st November 2013, 02:02 Quote
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Originally Posted by jrs77
Allthough I really like this board for it's features (especially the soundcard), it has one big flaw for me persoanlly... the powerboard.
It makes aircooling impossible, as the heat from a topdown-blower get's trapped inbetween the powerboarda, the soundcard and the GPU leading to high temperatures for all components.

And as Schizo said... why's there no more detailed look at the soundcard?

No more than most mini-ITX cases with the case sides right up against the side of the board. If you're using a top-down blower you're limited to low profile, which means you're TDP limited anyway so it won't be generating much heat and/or you won't be OCing. The Impact is designed to OC like an ATX board (memory OC is better in fact), which means most are using tower or LCLC coolers, so it's not an issue.
Generally speaking as long as you have an exhaust creating a vacuum to draw out the air you'll be fine.
Bindibadgi 21st November 2013, 02:06 Quote
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Originally Posted by ZERO <ibis>
No onboard sound card will ever compare to a dedicated external DAC. They should ditch the internal one and give us a second net port.

Overwhelmingly people use some form of PC audio for PCs. And there's plenty of USB for one of these ;) http://www.asus.com/Sound_Cards_and_DigitaltoAnalog_Converters/Xonar_Essence_One_MUSES_Edition/
Vallachia 21st November 2013, 02:44 Quote
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Originally Posted by jrs77
Allthough I really like this board for it's features (especially the soundcard), it has one big flaw for me persoanlly... the powerboard.
It makes aircooling impossible, as the heat from a topdown-blower get's trapped inbetween the powerboarda, the soundcard and the GPU leading to high temperatures for all components.

Most top-down coolers allow for the fan to be reversed. Mount it so that it pushes the hot air upwards and away from the board. This often gets better results in small cases anyway, as you are no longer fighting natural convection.
(RFFN)-SqUeD 21st November 2013, 11:28 Quote
Nice review guys, but I have to say i'm very pleased with my MSI Z87I !!
Made my decision on the color scheme... I love all Black :-)
SchizoFrog 21st November 2013, 11:47 Quote
I don't understand the argument against commenting on the soundcard portion of the board. I am not 'having a go' I merely don't understand it. You review dedicated soundcards and also compare/comment about them in regards to the standard Realtek audio, so I am not understanding why similar tests can't be performed on this. I also hate the response given 'notoriously difficult' as it just comes across as 'notoriously difficult so we can't be bothered to do it properly'.
A full review should test and review every aspect of the product for comparison and the reviewers should strive to find a solution to the difficult parts so they can provide the required information.
Cei 21st November 2013, 16:30 Quote
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Originally Posted by RedFlames
Not all ITX cases have the space for a tower cooler... and it could make fitting certain tower coolers a bit of a pain... Not only do you have to worry about it potentially encroaching on the ram slots, you have the two daughterboards to work around too...

Not saying it's impossible to air cool, but you would have to choose your cooler carefully...

ITX always means picking components carefully. I had to measure my EVGA Hadron Air to work out which tower cooler would fit, but I had several options. RAM slots are always a problem for tower coolers, ITX or not, mandating the use of low profile RAM in most cases.
SchizoFrog 21st November 2013, 18:20 Quote
I am still at a loss as to how good the sound might be with this and Bit-Tech seems to be avoiding the issue.

I think I may end up having to choose a mATX board instead and still add on a separate dedicated sound card, all because I can't get the answers I need. I guess the only thing left to ask is if Bit-Tech is going to review the MAXIMUS VI GENE any time soon?
GuilleAcoustic 21st November 2013, 18:25 Quote
been looking for the information since the board has been released .... no luck. I'll go mATX or external DAC
Tulatin 21st November 2013, 20:09 Quote
So, no pictures of the box and bundle, then?
Nexxo 21st November 2013, 23:46 Quote
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Originally Posted by SchizoFrog
I am still at a loss as to how good the sound might be with this and Bit-Tech seems to be avoiding the issue.
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Originally Posted by GuilleAcoustic
been looking for the information since the board has been released .... no luck. I'll go mATX or external DAC

Well, it's hardly avoiding the issue. But there's this powerful internet search tool called Google that reveals: http://uk.hardware.info/reviews/4893/11/asus-maximus-vi-impact-review-extreme-mini-itx-board-sound-quality-signalnoise-ratio
SchizoFrog 22nd November 2013, 00:13 Quote
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Originally Posted by Nexxo
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Originally Posted by SchizoFrog
I am still at a loss as to how good the sound might be with this and Bit-Tech seems to be avoiding the issue.
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Originally Posted by GuilleAcoustic
been looking for the information since the board has been released .... no luck. I'll go mATX or external DAC

Well, it's hardly avoiding the issue. But there's this powerful internet search tool called Google that reveals: http://uk.hardware.info/reviews/4893/11/asus-maximus-vi-impact-review-extreme-mini-itx-board-sound-quality-signalnoise-ratio

That is just a table of how loud certain motherboards were measured to be rather than any information regarding the quality of the device. Not to mention if and what software that may or may not be provided with it.

As for my comment about avoiding the issue, it still comes across as an excuse not to even bother. Apart from the briefest of mentions at the start of the article, that part of the board is not mentioned again. This is something that is significant as ASUS have deemed it important enough to include additional sound hardware. The article even refers to it as 'essentially a discrete sound card attached at right angles to the main board PCB', but then fails to make any comment about how good it is, how it is constructed, if it is an evolution of ASUS own dedicated sound cards or merely an improvement on the Realtek parts. I may be asking silly questions but this feature is important to me and I would expect a full review to cover it. Bit-Tech said in the article 'While the lack of PCI-E slots in addition to the main 16 x PCI-E 3.0 slot is a bitter pill to swallow for discrete sound card lovers, Asus has taken one giant leap towards appeasing you with what is essentially a discrete sound card attached at right angles to the main board PCB.' To me that is like saying 'ASUS have released a new product that will please those who prefer dedicated soundcards' and then saying nothing more about the product apart from two dB stats.
The article doesn't even mention that they would 'like' to test and review the soundcard side of the motherboard but that they can't and then go on to outline a couple of reasons why. Then I would have an understanding of the issues faced. So yeah, that is why I said 'avoiding the issue'.
GuilleAcoustic 22nd November 2013, 08:11 Quote
I've severly used google for that information. What I'm after is not an SNR figure, as it tells nothing about the sound quality. You can easily have a noiseless signal that sounds like pure bag of s***.

I'm after something like a real sound card review, like that :

ixbtlabs.com/articles2/proaudio/infrasonic-quartet.html

What about distortion, DAC chipset used, OPAMP stage ? No harmonic spectrum signal, which is by far the most important information.

On a side note, valves sound better than solid states mainly because of the harmonics. Our ears are 'even order harmonics tuned'. Valves produce even order harmonics, while solid states produce odd order ones.

I'm not saying that solid states are bad, just that valves sound more natural due to physical caracteristics :D.

Now, sound quality <> SNR. SNR = signal quality, but doesn't say anything about how good the souns will be
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