Looks good, but would really anyone ram two GPU's onto a micro-ATX and would any case support both cards.
If the CPU and GPU are being packaged into one chip does this thing still have a northbridge if the graphics and the memory controller have now been intergrated into the CPU?
I question why they bother with a PS/2 Mouse and Keyboard for the same reason I question any that still have floppy drive, or even IDE drive connections.
Originally Posted by Rkiver I question why they bother with a PS/2 Mouse and Keyboard for the same reason I question any that still have floppy drive, or even IDE drive connections.
Because people like me can just upgrade without buying new hard drives. Lol don't worry i won't do that though, as soon as i'm on serial a F3 drives got my name on it!
EDIT: Lol @ the Lotes socket, does that mean MSI are using Lotes exclusively now instead of foxconn like some people have said? Would be nice to know because I don't wanna buy a foxconn socket when I plan on keeping my system a long time.
Im guessing because you tested with an i5 its LGA1156. Any more info on the i3's? I thought they where gonna be dual core versions of the i5's rather than the new 32nm. Could this mean that the i3 > i5/i7 860 / i7 920 for gaming?
Yep. Looking forward to this H57 in mini-itx format also, with at least 6 of the SATA headers internal for some Nice Raid5-age, and maybe a couple of external eSATA ports....
Not had a read through yet, but just spotted the spelling mistake on the main page description: "We take a sneak peak at one of the first mothebroards"
Originally Posted by Rkiver I question why they bother with a PS/2 Mouse and Keyboard for the same reason I question any that still have floppy drive, or even IDE drive connections.
Look behind the IDE socket and you'll see headers for parallel & serial ports!
Originally Posted by culley Looks good, but would really anyone ram two GPU's onto a micro-ATX and would any case support both cards.
If the CPU and GPU are being packaged into one chip does this thing still have a northbridge if the graphics and the memory controller have now been intergrated into the CPU?
Or am i missing something and got it wrong lol.
I would, but you are right, there are very few small mATX cases that can support 2 long top-of-line GPUs.
well i guess it wouldn't be top of the line gpus but a couple of 9800's should fit in the larger of matx cases. i have a few cases here that could easily fit 2x 4870's :)
shame the only dual pciex16 matx boards are so damn expensive!
Originally Posted by bit tech We doubt you'll be able to use all four of the DVI, D-Sub, DisplayPort and HDMI outputs concurrently (only ATI seems to have cracked that particular roasted chestnut at the moment
Sorry bit tech, but not even AMD can do this. They can only do a maximum of 2 outputs from the choice of DVI, HDMI, VGA. It's something to do with only having 2 timing clocks for the display output.
^ They were talking about Eyefinity, with the new cards that can run 3 and up to 6 monitors...
OH and for people wondering why there is a PS2/KB and mouse connection, its because if you have a massive failure resulting in USB's not working (which can happen) PS2 is the default input for your BIOS and will always work :)
Shame about the IDE though, don't know why they couldn't chuck it out and put 6 SATA ports next to each other at 90*
Originally Posted by Autti OH and for people wondering why there is a PS2/KB and mouse connection, its because if you have a massive failure resulting in USB's not working (which can happen) PS2 is the default input for your BIOS and will always work :)
I doubt that's the reason my motherborad only has one ps/2 slot on it and its a couple of years old, its only necessary to have atleast one for the keyboard.
They probably just did it for convience, this boards got loads of i/o ports its sweeet!
Originally Posted by storm20200 EDIT: Lol @ the Lotes socket, does that mean MSI are using Lotes exclusively now instead of foxconn like some people have said? Would be nice to know because I don't wanna buy a foxconn socket when I plan on keeping my system a long time.
Originally Posted by Autti ^ They were talking about Eyefinity, with the new cards that can run 3 and up to 6 monitors...
OH and for people wondering why there is a PS2/KB and mouse connection, its because if you have a massive failure resulting in USB's not working (which can happen) PS2 is the default input for your BIOS and will always work :)
Shame about the IDE though, don't know why they couldn't chuck it out and put 6 SATA ports next to each other at 90*
I work with 'BIOS' (well, UEFI) for a living at the moment, and USB is one of the areas I theoretically have some expertise.
Yes, USB is a total PITA to work with, especially for any sort of legacy system that expects something that looks like a PC clone in the mid 80s.
You need a lot of stuff to get USB running. But I can read data from a PS2 keyboard with a bare handful of instructions. As a bonus, you do not need RAM, or even PCI to use the PS2 keyboard, that means you can use it right from the time you hit the on switch. The same cannot be said for USB.
The easiest way to get PS/s ports is a "super I/O" or SIO chip (the one right behind the SATA ports). And it coems with a lot of other legacy ports that can make development easier (like serial ports) then be turned off for production.
I'm not sure the IDE ports though. I think that is the other chip next to the SIO.
I can see it being useful for optical drives, especially considering how someone can get attached to one that is good at reading certain media and handling certain software.
Originally Posted by Rkiver I question why they bother with a PS/2 Mouse and Keyboard for the same reason I question any that still have floppy drive, or even IDE drive connections.
PS/2 keyboard ports FTW!
Finding PS/2 to USB adaptors that work well with my Model M keyboard are a pain.
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ReplyIf the CPU and GPU are being packaged into one chip does this thing still have a northbridge if the graphics and the memory controller have now been intergrated into the CPU?
Or am i missing something and got it wrong lol.
it's mildly depressing that i find that funny...:(
Because people like me can just upgrade without buying new hard drives. Lol don't worry i won't do that though, as soon as i'm on serial a F3 drives got my name on it!
EDIT: Lol @ the Lotes socket, does that mean MSI are using Lotes exclusively now instead of foxconn like some people have said? Would be nice to know because I don't wanna buy a foxconn socket when I plan on keeping my system a long time.
Look behind the IDE socket and you'll see headers for parallel & serial ports!
I would, but you are right, there are very few small mATX cases that can support 2 long top-of-line GPUs.
shame the only dual pciex16 matx boards are so damn expensive!
Sorry bit tech, but not even AMD can do this. They can only do a maximum of 2 outputs from the choice of DVI, HDMI, VGA. It's something to do with only having 2 timing clocks for the display output.
OH and for people wondering why there is a PS2/KB and mouse connection, its because if you have a massive failure resulting in USB's not working (which can happen) PS2 is the default input for your BIOS and will always work :)
Shame about the IDE though, don't know why they couldn't chuck it out and put 6 SATA ports next to each other at 90*
I doubt that's the reason my motherborad only has one ps/2 slot on it and its a couple of years old, its only necessary to have atleast one for the keyboard.
They probably just did it for convience, this boards got loads of i/o ports its sweeet!
There is nothing wrong with Foxconn sockets. The only problem is if you apply too much force to install the cooler, like you do with LN2 or dry ice cooling. Then this happens to your backplate :
http://pctuning.tyden.cz/images/stories/Novinkari/koci/2111-4/socket.jpg
See ? It's not straight anymore, and that is the reason the CPU pins doesn't touch the CPU pad anymore.
So unless you are planing to screw your cooler so much that motherboard will bend, then you can safely buy Foxconn sockets too.
I work with 'BIOS' (well, UEFI) for a living at the moment, and USB is one of the areas I theoretically have some expertise.
Yes, USB is a total PITA to work with, especially for any sort of legacy system that expects something that looks like a PC clone in the mid 80s.
You need a lot of stuff to get USB running. But I can read data from a PS2 keyboard with a bare handful of instructions. As a bonus, you do not need RAM, or even PCI to use the PS2 keyboard, that means you can use it right from the time you hit the on switch. The same cannot be said for USB.
The easiest way to get PS/s ports is a "super I/O" or SIO chip (the one right behind the SATA ports). And it coems with a lot of other legacy ports that can make development easier (like serial ports) then be turned off for production.
I'm not sure the IDE ports though. I think that is the other chip next to the SIO.
I can see it being useful for optical drives, especially considering how someone can get attached to one that is good at reading certain media and handling certain software.
PS/2 keyboard ports FTW!
Finding PS/2 to USB adaptors that work well with my Model M keyboard are a pain.
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