Originally Posted by Skiddywinks My point still stands, and after a check on wikipedia it seems I am correct; the number of channels RAM runs in/on is dependent on the board entirely.
It's dependent on the memory controller. Which in the case of i7 is on the CPU die.
Aye, true, I forget to make it clear I understood that, but that still makes triple channel RAM no different to dual channel RAM, since each is just RAM in the first place. 4 sticks of RAM running in dual channel would also work in quad channel (assuming such a controller existed and was being used).
Originally Posted by Rocket_Knight64 Looks to be a nice board if the price is right. The slot layout is exactly what I need too. :) But I'm lost for words why the IDE connector is given prime real-estate ahead of the SATA ports? And a COM port? Madness.
Be interesting what the Deluxe brings to the table. Hard to pin down considering what we know about the M3F.
I still don't understand why board makers don't just drop IDE by now. I mean honestly, the thing takes up a ridiculous amount of space for what benefits it affords (none, unless you still use such a HDD).
looking at that board layout, a few things caught my attention:
1) why arent all the SATA ports right angle at the the edge of the board?
2) on a RoG board, why oh why have an IDE port? seriously, please kill IDE.
and about all motherboards:
3) why is the PSU connector never at right angles at the edge of the board? it would make routing that massive pipe of a cable somewhere neater than just straight up into the case.
Originally Posted by Skiddywinks I'm not sure I follow. All LGA1366 boards I know of have 6 DDR slots, allowing up to 12GB or RAM fairly easily. Of course, since it is a triple channel chipset, you want multiples of three for your RAM (hence, 6 slots). LGA775 and LGA1156 boards are dual channel, so thus have 4 slots (and thus 8GB fairly easily).
I was looking at the GA-EX58-UD3R which only has four ram slots?, you're correct in that most other X58 boards seem to have 6 slots. Anyhow, the benefit of triple channel memory, outside the server environment seems pretty low.
Originally Posted by Omnituens looking at that board layout, a few things caught my attention:
1) why arent all the SATA ports right angle at the the edge of the board?
2) on a RoG board, why oh why have an IDE port? seriously, please kill IDE.
and about all motherboards:
3) why is the PSU connector never at right angles at the edge of the board? it would make routing that massive pipe of a cable somewhere neater than just straight up into the case.
P55 is mainstream - countries like Russia and South America still use a lot of IDE stuff (opticals).
PSU connector - availability and cost I'd imagine.
The P7P55D is not the most high end solution I'd imagine so the SATAs are cheaper pointing outwards.
TT - you are right - look at our Core i7 coverage from last year and it'll show you the difference between triple channel, dual and single on Core i7.
Originally Posted by Skiddywinks Aye, true, I forget to make it clear I understood that, but that still makes triple channel RAM no different to dual channel RAM, since each is just RAM in the first place. 4 sticks of RAM running in dual channel would also work in quad channel (assuming such a controller existed and was being used).
Yeah, RAM is RAM is RAM... provided you don't try mixing DDR with DDR2 with DDR3. ;) It doesn't really matter whether it's single, dual, triple or quad channel in the end... although remember the first boards that had dual channel memory controllers? (Like the Asus A7N8X...) there were lots of benchmarks done at the time to prove that dual channel memory wasn't really needed. Of course, that was with programs at the time, which weren't really bandwidth starved on the consumer levels. :) The time will come when triple channel or even quad channel are needed.
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Originally Posted by Skiddywinks I still don't understand why board makers don't just drop IDE by now. I mean honestly, the thing takes up a ridiculous amount of space for what benefits it affords (none, unless you still use such a HDD).
I use IDE drives (both HDD and optical) for troublesome builds when I want to know that it's not the SATA controller that could potentially be causing issues. I also tend to use PATA opticals still as I've got so many of the things. :) I'll be sorry to see IDE go, but then I do have a PCI IDE controller for 'worst case' scenarios.
I really can't stand the little SATA connectors, though... they're such flimsy little things. I've had one break off a brand new (arrived that day) drive when simply removing the SATA cable in a nice, even, straight line. Took some persuading for the RMA to go through, too... despite the fact that, in my opinion, the plastic was weak - especially since I've had dozen's of other drives, done exactly the same thing and none of them have broken. Give me a considerably stronger SATA connector, and PATA can go the way of the dodo. :)
I never do multi gpu, so the single x16 doesn't bother me. The real questions is, why does it look like space is wasted? When we had sb+nb, the layout was kinda cramped. It's still cramped after having only the sb.
Originally Posted by Lizard I'd imagine the overheating P55 chip will be sorted out by time the boards are in mass production - the board we had sported a beta P55 chip (i.e. non-final silicon)
Any idea how beta the one you had on that board is ie, do you know the stepping and can say what it is? Or is it covered under NDA as well (Intel can be touchy about this sort if thing too)?
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Originally Posted by docodine The new mounting holes for cooling is ridiculously dumb though.. Intel stands to gain nothing here, two more MM and nobody would have any problems. Pretty much every cooling company already has i7 heatsinks out, the change in form factor is just dumb.
I initially thought the same but then I remembered when they updated the Xeon's from 7520 to 5000 chipset. Same mounting holes, but the proc was about a millimeter taller or less tall or something. So if you used an old heatsink it seemed to install & looked ok, but would actually overheat pretty quickly because it didn't make proper contact.
So if with Lynfield for some reason they couldn't keep the proc at the same thickness, it actually makes sense to have different mounting holes, as annoying as it is!
I've done this too. It was not fun thinking I had killed the board until I figured out what happened.
The POST code LEDs should prove useful when someone posts a 'help, my board doesn't boot, it never gets video and doesn't beep' in the forums. The PC speaker only works if the problem isn't something like a hang in the BIOS.
Originally Posted by Splynncryth Any idea how beta the one you had on that board is ie, do you know the stepping and can say what it is? Or is it covered under NDA as well (Intel can be touchy about this sort if thing too)?
The board we had was populated with a B1 stepping P55 chip and as such still suffered from several pre-documented features, such as the USB 2 ports periodically stopping working.
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ReplyAye, true, I forget to make it clear I understood that, but that still makes triple channel RAM no different to dual channel RAM, since each is just RAM in the first place. 4 sticks of RAM running in dual channel would also work in quad channel (assuming such a controller existed and was being used).
I still don't understand why board makers don't just drop IDE by now. I mean honestly, the thing takes up a ridiculous amount of space for what benefits it affords (none, unless you still use such a HDD).
1) why arent all the SATA ports right angle at the the edge of the board?
2) on a RoG board, why oh why have an IDE port? seriously, please kill IDE.
and about all motherboards:
3) why is the PSU connector never at right angles at the edge of the board? it would make routing that massive pipe of a cable somewhere neater than just straight up into the case.
I was looking at the GA-EX58-UD3R which only has four ram slots?, you're correct in that most other X58 boards seem to have 6 slots. Anyhow, the benefit of triple channel memory, outside the server environment seems pretty low.
P55 is mainstream - countries like Russia and South America still use a lot of IDE stuff (opticals).
PSU connector - availability and cost I'd imagine.
The P7P55D is not the most high end solution I'd imagine so the SATAs are cheaper pointing outwards.
TT - you are right - look at our Core i7 coverage from last year and it'll show you the difference between triple channel, dual and single on Core i7.
I really can't stand the little SATA connectors, though... they're such flimsy little things. I've had one break off a brand new (arrived that day) drive when simply removing the SATA cable in a nice, even, straight line. Took some persuading for the RMA to go through, too... despite the fact that, in my opinion, the plastic was weak - especially since I've had dozen's of other drives, done exactly the same thing and none of them have broken. Give me a considerably stronger SATA connector, and PATA can go the way of the dodo. :)
Any idea how beta the one you had on that board is ie, do you know the stepping and can say what it is? Or is it covered under NDA as well (Intel can be touchy about this sort if thing too)?
I've done this too. It was not fun thinking I had killed the board until I figured out what happened.
The POST code LEDs should prove useful when someone posts a 'help, my board doesn't boot, it never gets video and doesn't beep' in the forums. The PC speaker only works if the problem isn't something like a hang in the BIOS.
The board we had was populated with a B1 stepping P55 chip and as such still suffered from several pre-documented features, such as the USB 2 ports periodically stopping working.
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