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LG IPS236V Review

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Parge 21st August 2011, 11:27 Quote
Oh no! You've commended them on L.E.D backlighting.

Prepare for the onslaught.
Siwini 21st August 2011, 11:32 Quote
Seriously is this Bit-Tech full review on this IPS? Need more details. And don't get me started on L.E.D. Disappointing:(
MSHunter 21st August 2011, 11:47 Quote
External Power brick and no mention if monitor uses 12V ??? Think this is a very important question. Just think where do we use 12V power.........
Pookeyhead 21st August 2011, 12:47 Quote
How can a highly respected modding and computer hardware website of Bit Tech's calibre consistently produce such truly diabolical monitor reviews? I appreciate that this is a budget monitor, but even high end monitors you review get the same treatment: Cosmetic appraisal, list of features, and a purely subjective opinion on quality, lightly peppered with a few comments on viewing angle. Seriously... compare this review to those on GPUs, CPUs and other peripherals. Where are the facts and figures.. where is the TESTING!!! Where are the black level figures, TRUE contrast figures, Delta E figures of the out of the box configuration, and after calibrating. The only thing you ever test with any robust, scientific methodology is response time. Is that all you care about?

Like I said, I know it's a budget monitor, but even those on a budget would like to know details.

Why bother even reviewing screens if you're just going to do a half assed job? I really don't like saying anything negative about Bit, but I'm afraid when it comes to reviewing screens.... you suck.
Zinfandel 21st August 2011, 12:53 Quote
EDIT: I'm sick of moaning about B-T quality now.
Pookeyhead 21st August 2011, 12:58 Quote
For example....
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Initially, the Lagom image test suite revealed a dire black level, but we rectified this by heading into the OSD and increasing the gamma level.

Ok.. so what WAS the gamma level measured at to start with? What was it after you adjusted it? If the only way to get a decent black level is to run at the WRONG gamma, then it's a crap screen. Gamma NEEDS to be a 2.2.. you can't just set it at random until it looks OK, as the black level may be nicer after adjustment, but what result did that have at the top end, or midrange... what happened to the banding and dithering (common problem with wide gamma adjustments with 6 and 8 bit panels)? There's a point: IS it a 6 or 8 bit panel? LOL You neglected to mention that.

Was this review written by someone who actually know what they're doing?




According to the staff roster, Clive Webster is the resident monitor guru.. so why get Bit's expert on modding and water cooling to write the review? Oh well... it's only a monitor, right?
sb1991 21st August 2011, 13:27 Quote
Also, there's a version of this monitor with a better stand and internal power supply (the IPS231P), which costs the same. Bonus: a monitor revew done properly.
Bede 21st August 2011, 14:17 Quote
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Originally Posted by sb1991
Also, there's a version of this monitor with a better stand and internal power supply (the IPS231P), which costs the same. Bonus: a monitor revew done properly.

That really is a review done well. I don't think bit-tech should be doing reviews of monitors, they don't seem to have the equipment or expertise to do it as well as their other hardware reviews.
Toka 21st August 2011, 14:19 Quote
Lame review is lame
steve30x 21st August 2011, 14:21 Quote
Whoever reviewed this should look at the specs sheet again , because this is an 8ms monitor not a 5ms monitor http://www.dabs.ie/products/lg-electronics-ips236v-23--widescreen-8ms-1920-x-1080-dvi-hdmi-led-ips-7GGX.html?refs=50383-367040000
steve30x 21st August 2011, 14:22 Quote
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Originally Posted by sb1991
Also, there's a version of this monitor with a better stand and internal power supply (the IPS231P), which costs the same. Bonus: a monitor revew done properly.
Thats a different monitor. It doesnt even have hdmi input.
Claave 21st August 2011, 14:42 Quote
Woah there!

For years bit-tech has used a subjective approach to screen reviews, with standard tests such as Lagom, test images and so on to compare the image quality of every screen we test and review. We've played with calibrators and analysis tools in the past but found them to be misleading in the results they give.

The ViewSonic mentioned in this review is a good example - on paper the screen isn't anything like as impressive as it is to the human eye. So, while using a calibrator and other tools might prove that we've done tests, the numbers can often not only add no value to the analysis, but occasionally confuse and mislead the reader.

We still think the best way to judge a screen is by using it, looking at it, tweaking it and reporting what it looks like to the human eye.

For discussion on what you'd like to see from a bit-tech screen review, please post here:
http://forums.bit-tech.net/showthread.php?t=215232

This thread should be more focused on the LG screen of the review.

Thanks, and looking forward to your constructive feedback.
Aracos 21st August 2011, 15:00 Quote
The problem is claave the monitor reviews are getting shorter, and shorter now they're 1 page.......
Claave 21st August 2011, 15:28 Quote
Please, let's keep the screen review feedback to a specific thread, otherwise the discussion will be fragmented and confusing:
http://forums.bit-tech.net/showthread.php?t=215232
sb1991 21st August 2011, 16:01 Quote
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Originally Posted by steve30x
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Originally Posted by sb1991
Also, there's a version of this monitor with a better stand and internal power supply (the IPS231P), which costs the same. Bonus: a monitor revew done properly.
Thats a different monitor. It doesnt even have hdmi input.
They make two versions of what is effectively the same monitor. The one Bit-Tech reviewed is the 'consumer' model which has an HDMI port and a basic stand, but I get the feeling more people here would appreciate the business-oriented model, with a better stand and no need for another power brick. The image quality etc. should be the same in both cases. Edit: there's a third model as well, the (smaller) IPS226V. Seems to be going for less than £130, which is pretty amazing for a 1920x1080 IPS monitor.
thehippoz 21st August 2011, 17:51 Quote
that tft central review is really informative.. they have gaming tests for responsiveness- any fps gamer would probably want to know this stuff
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It seems that LG have lead with an advertised 5ms G2G response time to capture interest in the screen, but in reality it behaves far more like a non-overdriven 14ms ISO rated screen. It is quite comparable to the NEC EA232WMi, EA231WMi and ViewSonic VP2365wb models, all of which are quoted with a 14ms response time and do not use overdrive technologies. That's not to say they are that bad, and in fact they are still reasonable for some light gaming and certainly fine for movies and other normal day to day uses. The IPS231P isn't as fast as well overdriven 23" models like the Asus ML239H and Dell U2311H though and so those would be a better choice if you want a gaming screen in this size range.
jimmyjj 21st August 2011, 18:37 Quote
Heh,

Yes the monitor reviews are unscientific and no good for selecting a monitor when used on their own.

The part about fiddling with the gamma till it looked good was particularly awful, as pookeyhead pointed out. I have been researching monitors for a couple of weeks (getting new one soon) and even I know this is a huge no no. To hear this in a tech site review is cringing.

On the other hand, it is nice to have a subjective review to go along with the scientific ones on sites such as TFT Central.

Bit Tech provide a sort of "man down the pub" review of monitors which is actually quite nice to supplement reviews on other sites - which I feel sometimes lack a subjective element.

And Claave is right about using calibrators. Bit Tech are not monitor or calibration experts so if they try to do this it will probably be inaccurate and misleading. Probably is better they leave this to the professionals and stick with the subjective approach.

They give the sort of review a normal punter might give - what it looks like taking it out of the box, does it look cool on the desk, does it wobble around, does it have a "wow" factor at factory settings. This is quite helpful as long as you also look at other reviews too.

I think we know the team and we know what their strengths are. I would happily buy a motherboard or PSU based upon nothing but a Bit Tech review. Monitors obviously aren't their thing.
steve30x 21st August 2011, 21:05 Quote
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Originally Posted by sb1991
They make two versions of what is effectively the same monitor. The one Bit-Tech reviewed is the 'consumer' model which has an HDMI port and a basic stand, but I get the feeling more people here would appreciate the business-oriented model, with a better stand and no need for another power brick. The image quality etc. should be the same in both cases. Edit: there's a third model as well, the (smaller) IPS226V. Seems to be going for less than £130, which is pretty amazing for a 1920x1080 IPS monitor.
I would rather have a monitor with HDMI to use my Xbox360 and PS3 on it. The adjustability shouldnt really matter , because if you want to adjust the height of the monitor then you will always find a way to make the screen higher. My monitor has height adjustable and I never use the height adjustment. Its always at its lowest height , because its better for your eyes.
loftie 21st August 2011, 21:16 Quote
The problem with monitors, and even sound devices, is that it IS subjective. If at the end of the day the monitor on the box says 'Best Monitor in the world!' and it has the stats to back it up, if it looks like a pile of crap to you, then it's a pile of crap.

If you're interested in a new monitor, go out and have a look at them, it's the only way.
jimmyjj 21st August 2011, 21:29 Quote
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Originally Posted by loftie
The problem with monitors, and even sound devices, is that it IS subjective. If at the end of the day the monitor on the box says 'Best Monitor in the world!' and it has the stats to back it up, if it looks like a pile of crap to you, then it's a pile of crap.

If you're interested in a new monitor, go out and have a look at them, it's the only way.

Its just not possible for most people to go and see the monitors they are interested in "in the flesh".

The only shop anywhere near me that sells monitors is PC world, and I doubt an IPS panel has ever crossed their doors.

Even if you drove to your favourite etailer they are just a warehouse and an office. You can not just rock up to Scan and ask to see half a dozen monitors, all working, next to each other.

If you could of course that would be pretty sweet. In the meantime reviews are helpful... and if you are going to review something then you might as well have a good stab at it.
Pookeyhead 22nd August 2011, 00:06 Quote
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Bit Tech provide a sort of "man down the pub" review of monitors

That's the problem for me. Everything else is a detailed review... since when has Bit done "Man down the pub" reviews?
[USRF]Obiwan 22nd August 2011, 15:04 Quote
This is how you should do a pc monitor review
do_it_anyway 22nd August 2011, 18:36 Quote
Thanks Bit-tech. I for one enjoy the shorter monitor review.
I want to know a few things from my monitor reviews. Does it look good? Does its response impact negatively in games? What can I connect up?

I am actually really interested in this. I can have a 23" IPS screen and connect my PC and PS3 for under £150? Whats the catch?
Oh, it uses a powerbrick and has a poorer stand. But the viewsonic is more expensive and doesn't have HDMI.
Sounds like all the info the average consumer needs is there.
If I want more indepth analysis I will go to a specific sound and vision site. Thanks for the heads up that this monitor is worth shortlisting! :)
[USRF]Obiwan 23rd August 2011, 09:25 Quote
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Originally Posted by do_it_anyway
Thanks Bit-tech. I for one enjoy the shorter monitor review.
I want to know a few things from my monitor reviews. Does it look good? Does its response impact negatively in games? What can I connect up?

I am actually really interested in this. I can have a 23" IPS screen and connect my PC and PS3 for under £150? Whats the catch?
Oh, it uses a powerbrick and has a poorer stand. But the viewsonic is more expensive and doesn't have HDMI.
Sounds like all the info the average consumer needs is there.
If I want more indepth analysis I will go to a specific sound and vision site. Thanks for the heads up that this monitor is worth shortlisting! :)

And you could not find that out for yourself by comparing specs at 'name you shop here'? If you want single page 'obvious being obvious' reviews go to the Cnet site. Here @ BT I expect nothing less then dismantled hardware...
Vo0Ds 23rd August 2011, 10:16 Quote
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Originally Posted by sb1991
Also, there's a version of this monitor with a better stand and internal power supply (the IPS231P), which costs the same. Bonus: a monitor revew done properly.

TL:DR

Bunch of baby whiners. Upgrading in Oct, so will check prices on IPS then!
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