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20" widescreen monitor group test

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lepre 2nd April 2006, 18:28 Quote
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Originally Posted by yahooadam
my 20.1" dell widescreen is 16:10 and that runs at 1680x1050

i dont think your running your screen at the proper resolution


how do you manage to set a resolution on a lcd monitor which doesn't support it?

there are some "portable" with that resolution....what's the matter?
yahooadam 2nd April 2006, 19:39 Quote
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Originally Posted by lepre
how do you manage to set a resolution on a lcd monitor which doesn't support it?
By dragging the slider a bit further to the right
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there are some "portable" with that resolution....what's the matter?
Fair enough, i thought all LCD size / reso's were the same
RTT 2nd April 2006, 20:31 Quote
The NEC model is a freaking nice screen having seen and used them for a while. My only gripe, as can be seen in this picture, is that the buttons are so loosely fitted that they hang wonky. They could not stand up to much abuse at all. This was true on both (identical) screens that we have in the office.
lepre 2nd April 2006, 21:42 Quote
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Originally Posted by yahooadam
By dragging the slider a bit further to the right

i don't think this would happen in a "tested-till-death-for-no-incompatibilities-harware" laptop, do you?

anyway that's not the problem here...
i think that he's right. 1280x1024 on a 19" is so bad.
but 1920x1200 on a 17" is too much (with default char size)

i'm now on a 17" crt (something like 16 lcd?") with 1280x1024 so that's why i'm looking at 20" widescreen...i have the same height and almost same resolution (1024->1050) and i get it wider, so it's really an upgrade. i wouldn't change only to see things bigger (and i don't want that at all!), i change to get better...
at the end 1680x1050 on a 20" seems resonably good to me, but 1280x1024 on a 19" it's not.
yes, how can you play on a resolution higher than that?...but not everybody plays...and at least let us choose! :)
Firehed 2nd April 2006, 23:50 Quote
To me there's more to it than just pixel pitch. Why would I want 1920x1200 on a 17" screen when I can have it on a 24"? After having used a big screen, I'd rather have the physical space than the digital space. While I'm sure it looks that much crisper, you'll be paying a huge premium. Honestly given the choice, I think I'd take a 19" over a 17" LCD simply because I'd rather have a bigger screen. And not because it's easier to see, but because a larger screen is more immersive when gaming. While the pixel pitch is larger, it's not as if it's being scaled differently so it'd be blurry, it's still crisp, just not as crisp as it could be.

If TFTs scaled as well as CRTs, then yes, of course I'd take the higher res option, but when you throw gaming into the mix I'd say that a bigger screen is preferable at a given resolution. Not to the point of SDTV vs computer LCD, since that would look like crap (albeit very playable crap), but it's all HD-level resolutions. In my time with oblivion so far, I've preferred to play at 1680x1050 scaled 1:1 (blackbarred on all sides) on my 24" rather than fullscreen on my 20", simply because it's slightly bigger. It's a GPU whore like I've never seen before so I can't increase the res I'm playing at, but it's still more immersive on a bigger screen.
friskies 3rd April 2006, 01:20 Quote
Hardware.no did a review on 5 20" monitors (2 regular, 3 widescreen) :
* Dell UltraSharp 2005FPW
* Apple Cinema Display 20
* BenQ FP202W
* Samsung SyncMaster 204Ts
* NEC MultiSync LCD 2080UXi

http://www.hardware.no/tester/skjerm/femkamp_-_kjempene_motes/21568

For the few bit-techers who don`t understand norwegian: :D

The Dell has very good colours and adjustment possibilities etc. Apple`s monitor has the best picture quality of the contestants (but not perfect). The Dell also has some visible backlight in the corners, which some of the forum members isn`t very happy about. But the Dell still won the test because it`s a allround good monitor at a very reasonable price.
YorkieBen 4th April 2006, 20:06 Quote
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is the acer the version with the scart connection as well?

also can you tell me if the Acer is able to scale properly - i.e. can it display 1280x1024 as 1280x1024 properly with black bars down the side as the Dells do or does it stretch it?


could the reviewer answer these 2 questions? esp the second one please? It would be very helpful :)
[cibyr] 5th April 2006, 09:39 Quote
Use DVI and set your scaling options in your driver settings.
Lionheart 5th April 2006, 22:00 Quote
I'm looking to buy a new monitor although i don't know too much about them. possibly either 2 19". what specs should i be looking for, for a really decent one? Also if i was to buy a 32" hdtv would that be just as good? :S
bloodcar 5th April 2006, 22:19 Quote
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Originally Posted by Lionheart
I'm looking to buy a new monitor although i don't know too much about them. possibly either 2 19". what specs should i be looking for, for a really decent one? Also if i was to buy a 32" hdtv would that be just as good? :S
A 32" HDTV can cost you substantionally more then 2 19" lcd screens will. You should specify if you want your HDTV to be CRT, LCD, or plasma screen. Just remember though that 19" LCD monitors have a resolution of 1024*768 so if you're blind or just like huge icons and such, go ahead and get a 20" monitor.
yahooadam 5th April 2006, 23:49 Quote
id personally get a 20"

its about the same real estate for the same price

plus you can actually use the whole screen for your game, whereas dual screen doesnt let u, or u have a gap in the middle
Lionheart 6th April 2006, 12:24 Quote
Well I'd like the 32" hdtv to be lcd. i'm not worried about the price but am i going to get decent resolutions with that? - or is that dependant on the graphics card? thanks for your help guys
yahooadam 6th April 2006, 15:26 Quote
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Originally Posted by Lionheart
Well I'd like the 32" hdtv to be lcd. i'm not worried about the price but am i going to get decent resolutions with that? - or is that dependant on the graphics card? thanks for your help guys
it depends on the screen, not the GFX card

you need to find out the resolution on the TV

20" widescreen lcd is 1680x1050

24" widescreen lcd is 1920 x 1200

30" widescreen lcd is 2560 x 1600

20" lcd is 1600 x 1200

their all the sizes i could find

so your 32" screen should be > 2560x1600, however as its not a PC screen, i wouldnt accept less then 1680x1050 (assuming its widescreen)
Lionheart 6th April 2006, 16:53 Quote
i see. I havent seen any 32" widescreen lcds with a resolution higher than 1680x1050. I think ill go for 2 x viewsonic vx2025 which was in the review. that way i can still have a larger screen for multitasking and just use one when im playing a game - or is that not possible?
yahooadam 6th April 2006, 20:31 Quote
in game is a bit harder IMO

persoanlly i have a dell 2005FPW, thats connected to my gaming rig

then i have a 19" screen, connected to my second (2400+ sempron, 512mb ram, geforce 2 gfx card) PC that runs things like MSN, IRC, a linux server etc

then i have a program that allows my mouse and keyboard to work across the 2

This way i dont overload 1 pc's gfx card

anyway, in response to your question, i think that will work fine

P.S. Sli only supports 1 screen, im not sure if you could move your mouse to the second screen while gaming, 2 screens puts more stress on your GFX card
Lionheart 6th April 2006, 22:16 Quote
Thanks for your help, im mainly only going to be using 2 screens at once when im sequencing music and chatting etc. if im playing a game then i'll just be using the one. sounds good ta
yahooadam 7th April 2006, 02:45 Quote
IMO i would use a cheap second PC then

but thats IMO ^^

its nice to be able to use 1 PC for internet / chat without bogging down your gaming machine ^^

the only problem is you need a piece of software called multiplicity (the only option i know of), which will cost you money (well should ) and i have problems with it and teampseak (it locks up the GUI, but teamspeak still works) and oblivion (if you havent locked the screen b4 the game - locking bound to scrl-lck and unchangeable - it wont lock ingame, so that buggers you up a bit)
Fibbles 7th April 2006, 02:57 Quote
With a widescreen HDTV you're looking at a rather low resolution as most will be in the 1280 x 720 or 1366 x 768 (likemy 26" Toshiba HDTV) range.

19" LCD's usually have a 1280 x 1024 res, the same as most 17's. I've got a 17" LCD and just bought a Viewsonic 19" LCD because I don't want a larger screen until I can confirm it has HDCP. I change video cards often, but not LCD's and I don't want to have to spend another $400 more in a year or less.
nb- 7th April 2006, 13:40 Quote
Where are the other two USB ports on the NEC, the specs say there is a 4 port hub, but the article only mentions two, and only shows two in the picture?

I would have bought the ViewSonic weeks ago if it had a a USB 2.0 Hub on it, having USB ports by your screen is so convenient.

As it is I have been looking at the Dell 2005FPW which is about £330, like the ViewSonic and the Belinea 102035W which is about £10 less. It doesn’t sound like the NEC is worth the money.

Whats really anoying in what seems to be a great review is not being able to see how these monitors stack up against each other.

What would you guys go for?
lepre 7th April 2006, 13:54 Quote
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Originally Posted by nb-
Where are the other two USB ports on the NEC, the specs say there is a 4 port hub, but the article only mentions two, and only shows two in the picture?

the other 2 usb are behind the monitor, near the DVI port, so if you connect your keyboard/mouse you don't see the connectors all the time...
yahooadam 7th April 2006, 16:40 Quote
the dell one does the same thing

two USB's on the right of the screen

and two underneath

their USB2 and powered
Awoken 8th April 2006, 09:11 Quote
Just got the Viewsonic VX2025wm and its excellent, no dead pixels, no obvious backlight bleed, even lighting, strong colours and good black differentiation. It took a days use for the screen to settle as it was a little difficult to get the contrast set when I first got it but now I'm v.impressed. Good review Bit!
Sathy 11th April 2006, 15:29 Quote
A good article for sure, would have been nice to have more than one monitor with decent positition adjustments looked at =]

The testing methodology is brilliant, simple but still informative - although I think everyone would agree that it isn't as techie as for an example, Tom's monitor tests - and thus very easy to read and comprehend.

Personally I wouldn't buy a TFT monitor that hasn't got atleast proper tilt and height adjustments, but that's maybe because I've gotten used to those options with my Hyundai L90D+. I too prefer on being able to play games on the monitors native res. so I originally first got a good enough GFX card and only after that upgraded to this screen.

I'd be surprised if nobody else noticed that at times Wil Harris gets what could almost be called intimate with the use of "rather":
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Viewsonic 2012W
Miami Vice: The same was really true here, with the bright areas of the movie being overly saturated and the blacks being rather bland. Rather than adding character to the picture, the cinematic stylings rather made the picture look awful.

That's three times / 2 sentences
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BenQ FP202W
Design: The bezel and the housing for the monitor is rather minimalistic. It's decked out in a dark navy, rather than a black, giving it something of a professional feel - rather like the old Silicon Graphics machines. It's hard to dislike, being rather neutral; on the other hand, it's hardly on the cutting edge of design.

And four times / 2 sentences (one being a rat*** stretched one)
Roch 13th April 2006, 11:01 Quote
I've got the NEC, I think it's an excellent monitor and overall couldn't be happier with it. One batch has had the dreaded Backlight bleed but NEC are being proactive about sorting that out. The reflective screen's a non-issue imo, I don't play with a light behind me, the only time I've noticed the coating is when it's off. I play Quake 4 Multi and it's brilliant, no ghosting and great colours. It has an Advanced DV mode optiion in the OSD which increases the contrast ratio to 1600:1, this really helps out in detailed dark areas and I can honestly say it's as good as the CRT I used previously. As with all these things, you need to play with the settings to get the best out of it, I've got an Optical Spyder (hardware calibrator) so used that initially, though reverted to some of the presets as it worked better in Games. It has a cable management system similar to the one above btw.
Callum 13th April 2006, 14:34 Quote
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Originally Posted by Sathy
And four times / 2 sentences (one being a rat*** stretched one)
Actually four times in three ;)
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