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20" widescreen monitor group test

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Malvolio 31st March 2006, 16:42 Quote
I've been debating seriously over the past few weeks of if I should get a flat panel screen or not... Well, due to multiple reasons, I've found myself ended up with a high-quality CRT (1920x1440@70Hz, 18" diagonal, extremely good colour range/definition) rather than a flat panel. This is why I think a CRT is better (for me):

First, scaling. I'm cheap, so sue me! I've got a good system, but it's not enough to play most modern games at the resolutions required for a flat panel screen, and I don't have enough money/time to upgrade it right now.

Second, desk space. I've got gobs of it (rather large L shaped glass-topped desk), so why not use it? There is absolutely no reason for me to need a monitor that has a small foot-print.

Third, cost. To get a flat panel that would match the quality/resolution of even a cheap second-hand CRT would mean drastic amounts of money. Instead, I bought my current monitor off my father for $50, which is amazing considering how good it is.



But then again, thats just me.
OneSeventeen 31st March 2006, 17:28 Quote
Well, for me, I use two 19" Flat Panels from Dell at work, and couldn't be happier. (2560x1024 is awsome!)

I was thinking of getting a widescreen for home use, and of course was thinking Dell. But, to be honest, I trust Bit-Tech, and without a Dell review, I think I'll hold off for a while. If a company doesn't respect the geek community, I don't respect it. (Heck, even microsoft hands out expensive software like candy on halloween for marketing purposes.)

I'd love to see a review of various multiple monitor displays, since multiple monitors bring in all sorts of new issues, such as which monitor gets priority, and how to color manage each monitor individually for accurately matching displays. (I'm sure this would have to be combined with a video-card setup review as well, IE single card with multimon out, or separate (non-bridged) cards?)

Anyway, great review, it gives a lot to think about, and makes me wonder why more manufacturers don't offer height/swivel adjustment...

oh, and, in the "deleted" voice of Strong Bad, the obligatory: "slashdotted!"

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And since I want to sound clever, but my slashdot posts usually get buried, my response to a friendly slashdotter:
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Maybe the story should have started with "If you live in Britain and...". If you're an American this article is worthless to you.

That's the exact same reason I don't use Calculus, not being an Egyptian nor a Greek myself.

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tk421 31st March 2006, 17:48 Quote
i still dont feel the love for the 20" screens ... i think i would rather jump straight to 1920x1200 ...

i am quite used to my 17" (ya i know it's 4 years old and tiny by most's standards) ... and untill i can do a serious system rebuild, most games do fine at 1280x768 ...

i am however becoming intrigued by the new round of 1080p screens starting to make thier way to the market. the westinghouse 37" is just plain beautiful, albeit i am a bit biased, as i already have the 27" 720p westie.

and the 30" dell is just too much. base price of 2200$? and a 600&-800$ video card to push it? maybe if i hit the lottery. it is about time that apple had some competition on that front though. personally i think the ACD line is horribly ugly. but that's just me.

anyway, this is just more of mike's random rantings ad babblings, since i am going to have to stick with what i have for now with the wedding coming up adn the baby on the way and all ... just thought i would put in my 2cents and let yall know i was still alive and all ....


peace.
yahooadam 31st March 2006, 18:25 Quote
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Originally Posted by OneSeventeen
Well, for me, I use two 19" Flat Panels from Dell at work, and couldn't be happier. (2560x1024 is awsome!)
I use 19" and 20" together, making for ~ 2960x1024 (though the 20" is actually 1050 deep, and not 1024)
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If a company doesn't respect the geek community, I don't respect it
Very good point :)
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I'd love to see a review of various multiple monitor displays, since multiple monitors bring in all sorts of new issues
Well most people who want multimon setups buy more then 1 of the same screen (well if u wanna use them together)
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such as which monitor gets priority, and how to color manage each monitor individually for accurately matching displays.
This is more of a software side thing, and not hardware

On slashdot i made this comment about this comment ;)
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Originally Posted by Lumpy
At least for what I have been doing the widescreens suck.

Many games do not like them. C&C generals zero hour strecthes. Doom3 is slower in widescreen mode and older games simply hate them.

I instead took the monitor back and grabbed a pair of 19" AOC Lcd's for less money than the single Widescreen.

I also get much more realestate for video editing on the pair of 19" cheapies.
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Originally Posted by yahooadam
Actually if you work this out, a widescreen 20" has 1680x1050 pixels, thats 1764000 pixels
A 19" has 1280x1024 pixels, thats 1310720 pixels, between 2 screens thats 2621440

2621440/1764000 =~ 1.486, so you get about 1/2 as much real estate again, however, my dell 2005FPW set me back ~£355, a good 19" will set your back between £250-300 (my el chepo one cost £200 at the time), assuming you buy 2x £250 screens, thats £500, which is x1.40845 more again

So basically, pixel for pixel, its actually about the same deal, plus my 2004FPW is much nicer IMO with a powered USB hub, PIP/PBP, DVI, VGA, S-Video and composite
Tim S 31st March 2006, 19:16 Quote
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Originally Posted by rav666
The philips 20 inch widescreen wasnt included either :(
I think you should include the dell one as well, then it would be the best review on the web
We tried to get the Dell for several weeks - I think we planned this article about 6-8 weeks ago. After numerous phone calls, broken promises and let downs, we're still waiting for their panel to show up at our office...

We can only do so much to try to get one... maybe we should have gone out and bought one - it'd be the quickest way of getting one out of them. Sucks.
unrealhippie 31st March 2006, 19:30 Quote
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Originally Posted by MrWillyWonka
Read the last paragraph of page 7 ;) Saying that, I suppose one of us could easily give a review to add considering there are more people with 20" dells than I have of fingers.

Nice article though!

Yeh what I mean is, dell should be giving bit stuff to test!

You need to talk to some reps me thinks
cobaltpap 31st March 2006, 19:53 Quote
I love my Viewsonic VX2025WM! I replaced a Samsung 915n 19in LCD, gave it to my brother. I will never go back to a non-widescreen again, EVER! LOL!
The only thing I want more is a higher refresh rate. In Quake4 with ultra quality at 1680x1050 and v-sync on, Fraps shows me pegged at 60 fps. In display properties it says that I can choose from a refresh rate of 60 or 75, but 75 is out of range (that sucks). Oh well, I still LOVE this monitor!
WedgeTalon 31st March 2006, 19:58 Quote
I would have liked to see the Dell, but I also would have liked to see one of the Apple Cinemas, as I always have heard they are the best... but have not seen them actually compared next to others.
yahooadam 31st March 2006, 21:06 Quote
when i was reaserching for my 2005FPW there was a apple cinema 20" vs the dell 20" 2005FPW

im guessing you can google "2005FPW reviews" or somthing and find it

sorry but i dont have that much free time to dig up a review which could take an hour to find :p

but there is one :p

the tested HL2 and WoW on it i believe (well both)

the cinema display looked orite, but was much more expensive
YorkieBen 31st March 2006, 21:17 Quote
is the acer the version with the scart connection as well?

also can you tell me if the Acer is able to scale properly - i.e. can it display 1280x1024 as 1280x1024 properly with black bars down the side as the Dells do or does it stretch it?
Da Dego 31st March 2006, 21:28 Quote
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Originally Posted by WedgeTalon
I would have liked to see the Dell, but I also would have liked to see one of the Apple Cinemas, as I always have heard they are the best... but have not seen them actually compared next to others.
Getting things from Dell is like pulling teeth...but Apple is about an order of magnitude worse. Both Bigz and I have had poor experiences recently with constant delays and broken promises with dell, on two entirely different projects.

It's a sad reality of what happens when they get too comfortable being either 'the best' or being 'the standard'...they reach a point where they're too large to care about their PR much anymore.
yahooadam 31st March 2006, 21:34 Quote
considering i managed to get my 2005FPW with 1 dead pixel for £355, its actually better value for money then 1/2 the screens there, well IMO

with quad inputs, a USB bus, 600:1 contrast, 300cd/m2

However it would be nice to see you compare it against these others :(

P.S. Dell is currently saving you a nice 20% off

so u can pick up one of these lovely screens direct from dell for a mere £369.19 (inc vat and shipping)
Da Dego 31st March 2006, 21:39 Quote
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Originally Posted by yahooadam
However it would be nice to see you compare it against these others :(
Yep, it sure would be, wouldn't it? :(
ozstrike 31st March 2006, 21:50 Quote
I was just thinking that one of you guys probably has a 2005fpw to compare, but you would need Dell's permission, wouldn't you?
yahooadam 31st March 2006, 23:07 Quote
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Originally Posted by ozstriker
I was just thinking that one of you guys probably has a 2005fpw to compare, but you would need Dell's permission, wouldn't you?
no, and i dont think bit tech has one otherwise they wouldnt be seekign one from dell

you can review a screen if you want, dell shouldnt have to be hiding anything about its flat panels
eek 31st March 2006, 23:54 Quote
Nice review - not sure I could live with a 20" widescreen though as I would miss the height of my current monitor!!

Just wondering, if Dell wouldn't supply you with one and you knew that it was the one monitor people really want to see, why didn't you by one?
Beatbox 1st April 2006, 00:53 Quote
Nice comparison guys, hopefully should prove to be useful within the next few months.
Also, add another request to include the Dell and/or Apple displays on the list!
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Originally Posted by cobaltpap
I love my Viewsonic VX2025WM! I replaced a Samsung 915n 19in LCD, gave it to my brother. I will never go back to a non-widescreen again, EVER! LOL!
The only thing I want more is a higher refresh rate. In Quake4 with ultra quality at 1680x1050 and v-sync on, Fraps shows me pegged at 60 fps. In display properties it says that I can choose from a refresh rate of 60 or 75, but 75 is out of range (that sucks). Oh well, I still LOVE this monitor!
Cobaltpap, the 60fps is a 'feature' of the Doom3 engine, it caps its rendering process at this in order to keep the input and physics etc. in sync with the graphics. It can be removed with console commands, but you'll need a pretty hefty rig to ensure the game experience remains smooth throughout without it.
Seth 1st April 2006, 02:34 Quote
link to the red and white background?
Awoken 1st April 2006, 06:17 Quote
Go to the Little Gamers site for a copy of the red and white wall paper ;)
Fly 2nd April 2006, 04:11 Quote
I have an HP 20" widescreen... I love it but it is a pain because my CS skills were killed by my now pathetic framerate when I play at native resolution. :(
MastershakeJB 2nd April 2006, 04:36 Quote
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[cibyr] 2nd April 2006, 08:33 Quote
My 17" laptop does 1920x1200, why would I buy a 20" screen that does only 1680x1050? And on that line of thought, what's with 1280x1024 19" LCDs? Are you all really that blind?
yahooadam 2nd April 2006, 12:06 Quote
how does your 17" laptop run at 1920x1200

sounds like youve set the wrong reso to me :(
lepre 2nd April 2006, 12:55 Quote
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Originally Posted by yahooadam
how does your 17" laptop run at 1920x1200

sounds like youve set the wrong reso to me :(

16:10 widescreen...
yahooadam 2nd April 2006, 16:53 Quote
my 20.1" dell widescreen is 16:10 and that runs at 1680x1050

i dont think your running your screen at the proper resolution
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