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crazyceo 8th June 2010, 12:45 Quote
The more I see these devices, the less I think of them and seem to question what's the point?

It's too big and heavy to be a phone (add the Dom Joly gag) and it's no good as a laptop replacement.

Until Intel and AMD design and release "decent" ultra low powered CPU's then these devices will end up gathering dust on your shelf.

They may look cool but do you really need one? In most cases unfortunately it will be no!
Bindibadgi 8th June 2010, 12:58 Quote
They are not laptop replacements - at least not the 10" models - they are portable internet/media consumption/casual gaming products that are easier to use and more versatile than your smartphone, but should be lighter/cheaper than your full laptop.

I would say a few million people who've already said "yes", would disagree ;)
crazyceo 8th June 2010, 13:04 Quote
Don't get me wrong, I have a netbook as well but to shell out for another shiny thing to me is pointless.

Especially from a price point with the iTampax, these gadgets just aren't worth it. Casual gaming? you sh!tting me? What, PacMan?
lacuna 8th June 2010, 13:20 Quote
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Originally Posted by crazyceo
Don't get me wrong, I have a netbook as well but to shell out for another shiny thing to me is pointless.

I'll let them know so they can lower the production run, they were counting on you to buy one.

I don't have a netbook, just a 7 year old laptop which I only really use for msn and web browsing. After trying an ipad at the weekend I am very tempted by them or an alternative.
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Casual gaming? you sh!tting me? What, PacMan?

Theres no point acting ignorant, there are clearly thousands of 'casual' games available. Besides that, these devices are capable of playing far more immersive games aswell -Im playing GTA on my iphone right now
Veles 8th June 2010, 13:28 Quote
Plus you know, Plants vs. Zombies

Weren't MS making a special tablet OS that is supposed to be like a smartphone on steroids to go along with Win7 mobile? Or was the HP windows tablet announcement thing a while back just about a tablet using regular Win7?
mi1ez 8th June 2010, 13:44 Quote
That second picture of the 110 makes it look massive!
sb1991 8th June 2010, 14:28 Quote
And you though iPad sounded silly...
crazyceo 8th June 2010, 14:30 Quote
Thanks for that Lacuna, so that tells me you are a fan of the crapple brand then? Again don't get me wrong but that particular brand does absolutely nothing for me. Just another "EXPENSIVE" shiny thing for the sheep to follow.

Sorry about the gaming comment, I actually meant proper games not the crap excuse of a game on offer on the iPhone. I can see how as a fan of crapple, your gaming expectations are so low on quality but each to their own.
kenco_uk 8th June 2010, 14:39 Quote
Why are they using Windows 7? Such a lazy cop-out. It's kinda cool that it runs at all, but it really isn't best suited.
crazyceo 8th June 2010, 14:45 Quote
The 110 used Android! and as a result performed better. That's the benefit for these over sized smartphones and not quite a netbook yet tablets.
SteveU 8th June 2010, 14:46 Quote
This will be much better with the new Google Chrome OS as they are developing that for touch screens!
Cupboard 8th June 2010, 14:50 Quote
One of my friends has a Samsung Q1 Ultra. It isn't the most powerful computer in the world but when I was using it the other day, performance was really rather good with Window 7. I wasn't hammering it, we had Spotify and Chrome with about 15 tabs which it was coping with just fine.

He's used it to take notes in lectures and says the handwriting recognition in 7 is good and when we needed to use it as a more conventional laptop it did that fine too with an external keyboard.

To be useful to me, a computer can't just do the casual fun things. It has to be usable as a computer too. They may not be for everyone but if you are actually trying to do some work you need a full OS.
Nexxo 8th June 2010, 14:54 Quote
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Originally Posted by crazyceo
Thanks for that Lacuna, so that tells me you are a fan of the crapple brand then? Again don't get me wrong but that particular brand does absolutely nothing for me. Just another "EXPENSIVE" shiny thing for the sheep to follow.

Sorry about the gaming comment, I actually meant proper games not the crap excuse of a game on offer on the iPhone. I can see how as a fan of crapple, your gaming expectations are so low on quality but each to their own.

Each to their own indeed. I mean, some people like retro gaming. Some people like football.

Apple and its tablets may not press your button (or probably it does, but a different one), but two million have been sold already. I'd say that Apple understands how most people want to use computers, and what for, pretty well.

The rest of the market, judging by MSI's offerings, still doesn't. They stare themselves blind on current technology, not its human application.
crazyceo 8th June 2010, 15:07 Quote
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Originally Posted by Nexxo
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Originally Posted by crazyceo
Thanks for that Lacuna, so that tells me you are a fan of the crapple brand then? Again don't get me wrong but that particular brand does absolutely nothing for me. Just another "EXPENSIVE" shiny thing for the sheep to follow.

Sorry about the gaming comment, I actually meant proper games not the crap excuse of a game on offer on the iPhone. I can see how as a fan of crapple, your gaming expectations are so low on quality but each to their own.

Each to their own indeed. I mean, some people like retro gaming. Some people like football.

Apple and its tablets may not press your button (or probably it does, but a different one), but two million have been sold already. I'd say that Apple understands how most people want to use computers, and what for, pretty well.

The rest of the market, judging by MSI's offerings, still doesn't. They stare themselves blind on current technology, not its human application.

But at what cost? Is it ok for them to offer a pretty low spec item but charge you 3 times as much with some pretty bad connectivity issues that make you spend more money?

Maybe with Windows Mobile 7 due after the summer will this market finally be opened up for proper priced competition and not the new shiny thing. Android is good but people still want that similarity in what they think is a PC. In essence that is we are all talking about, an oversized smartphone and not quite yet a netbook.
chrisb2e9 8th June 2010, 15:08 Quote
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Originally Posted by Nexxo
I'd say that Apple understands how to market to most people who want to use computers, and what for, pretty well.

grammer is way off but i fixed that for ya ;)
Da_Rude_Baboon 8th June 2010, 15:09 Quote
As a home internet browsing device i can see the attraction but for that the price would have to be in the £150-£200 bracket before i would be interested. Plus i would prefer something like Android or the Apple OS, i agree that full fat windows is not needed.
lacuna 8th June 2010, 15:22 Quote
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Originally Posted by crazyceo
Thanks for that Lacuna, so that tells me you are a fan of the crapple brand then? Again don't get me wrong but that particular brand does absolutely nothing for me. Just another "EXPENSIVE" shiny thing for the sheep to follow.

No, I just appreciate functional products. I upgraded to my iphone from an XDA running windows mobile and the difference in functionality was huge. I never had an apple product before it and still have no interest in the full scale computers but the iphone and ipad do appeal to me.
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Sorry about the gaming comment, I actually meant proper games not the crap excuse of a game on offer on the iPhone. I can see how as a fan of crapple, your gaming expectations are so low on quality but each to their own.

What is your definition of a 'proper' game then? To my mind its anything that can be played. My expectations are not low but they are appropriate to the scale of the device. I don't expect to be able to play Crysis on my phone but if I have ten minutes to kill then a quick round of Worms is a good way to pass the time.
StephenK 8th June 2010, 15:26 Quote
I must confess to being interested in any new technology even stuff that doesn't appear to be a good idea. When I look at things like this all I ask is whether its a step forward. Whether its any use to me or what tech it should be replacing or who it's supposed to be made for are way down my list of questions.

I was a little unimpressed with the iPad sadly, but I'm looking forward to Tablets in general. As with the first smart phones this tech needs time to evolve and improve. The real issue for me is the weight. Thats the major form problem which will of course be fixed in time. I can't wait to have one of these.

As to what to do with it... whatever it can do. People used to say a whole bunch of things on phones were unnecessary as they could already do that with some other tech. Now we accept smart phones as normal. Non-portible technology tends to be less about doing lots of things on one device and more about doing 1 or 2 things well. So I have a gaming pc, a laptop for doing things in the other rooms, an eeepc for travelling (it also would replace my 12" powerbook for college uses). Then theres my phone, etc etc. I can't wait to add a tablet to that list for nice net browsing and reading. I don't think not being a replacement for any other tech makes the Tablet form any less interesting. It has great potential and I can't wait to see where we go from here.
javaman 8th June 2010, 15:26 Quote
I could replace my netbook easily with an ipad, tho I hate typing on a touchscreen. If it had some rumble feature it probably wouldn't feel so bad tbh. these touch devices address problems with netbooks such as balancing one on your knee (every tried using a netbook on a bus?) also I would take a touch screen over a touchpad for navigation any day of the week. touch devices are also lighter although not light enough IMO and since most of the device is taken up by the screen it certainly would be great for watching films on. My only problem with touch devices is the price. theres no way I would pay £500ish for what a touch device offers over a netbook. The ipad is lacking a forward facing cam for skype . Those with the attitude "what is it for?" use your bloody head. We've heard one person quote it now everyone says it. Your sounding like a broken record regurgating nonsense because your afraid Apple have achieved something no one has done successfully on a commercial scale before. touch devices have a place on this market especially for those with sight problems (pinch zoom is fantastic) and those who want something snappier than windows7 starter for an OS. I like the ipad but this incarnation has alot of room for improvement something that the MSI 110 has seemed to have done.
Xir 8th June 2010, 16:01 Quote
It's as useful (or not, whicheverway you're inclined) as a netbook.
I like mine, I surf on the couch, I type in the kitchen, it's a portable storage with an interface.

Downsides are the same too: win7 is too fat for a netbook to be snappy, why should a win-tablet be any better?
At least you can access them per USB to exchange photos of files unlike the IPad.

Gaming? The N450 netbookgeneration runs Deus Ex, though not crysis :D
Nexxo 8th June 2010, 16:12 Quote
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Originally Posted by crazyceo
But at what cost? Is it ok for them to offer a pretty low spec item but charge you 3 times as much with some pretty bad connectivity issues that make you spend more money?
I am not sure that you know what you are criticising. Apple products tend to be expensive because Apple does not skimp on build quality. Of course, a lot of that quality is transparent; you don't realise it is there because it just works. It's like wondering why an Audi A3 costs so much compared to, say, a Ford Focus. Sure, the prestige of the Audi make may suggest a mark-up, but only an idiot would claim that a Ford is a better engineered car.

If you think that the iPad or iPhone 4 are expensive, I would look at roughly similar offerings from Motion Computing and Vertue respectively.

I am not sure what you mean by "connectivity issues" by the way.
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Originally Posted by crazyceo
Maybe with Windows Mobile 7 due after the summer will this market finally be opened up for proper priced competition and not the new shiny thing. Android is good but people still want that similarity in what they think is a PC. In essence that is we are all talking about, an oversized smartphone and not quite yet a netbook.
If Android and WebOS do not manage to outcompete iOS, then neither will Windows Mobile 7. It is an innovative OS but too late to the party and it has a lot of catching up to do. Apple has already established itself as a standard and that influences everything from compatible accessories to software applications.

'People' do NOT want similarity to a PC (you may, but you're a geek, not 'people'). That is why the iPad sells so well: it is NOT a PC. It does NOT have its long boot times, its complexity in setup and use, its inaccessibility of GUI. The iPad is a toaster. Switch on --> use. You don't even have to read a manual.

The iPad does a limited set of activities compared to a PC, but it does all the ones that most ordinary people use PCs for. And it does so really well. Only freaks like you and I like to hack the registry and do CAD rendering. The rest of the world thinks of PCs not as flexible and poweful, but as unwieldy and capricious.

You need to start doing some paradigm shifts, dude. Computers will evolve more and more into easy to use devices for specific uses and environments. We'll have devices for use in the kitchen; devices for the bedroom, for the coffee table, for mobile use. Because tech is getting cheaper people will start buying multiple smaller specific devices instead of one big general device that sits on a desk somewhere. Think of the first clocks: big things on a mantlepiece somewhere. Then we got a pocket watch and a few desk clocks. Now we have cheap clocks everywhere: several watches, alarm clock-radios, a clock on the wall in each room. Think of the evolution of powertools, starting with a big motor in the garage you connected the required tool to, and the first TV and radio: one big, centrally positioned set.

You are still thinking from the point of view of how the device functions. You need to think from the point of view of how people want to do things.
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Originally Posted by chrisb2e9
grammer is way off but i fixed that for ya ;)
It is easy to dismiss millions of Apple product users as gullible sheep swayed by a bit of clever marketing --just like people who hate Apple products are obviously objective, informed consumers who know what makes a good technology product --in fact they knew that so well that they could not recognise that the HP Slate and Microsoft Courier were doomed to failure before they left the prototype lab.

By the way, do you own any GAP clothes? Nike shoes? Not swayed by brands, are you? :p
DXR_13KE 8th June 2010, 16:20 Quote
typo on first page:
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The WindPad 1oo is equipped with an Intel

WindPad 1oo or WindPad 100?
AshT 8th June 2010, 16:38 Quote
Have we not already had these crappy anti-Apple debates over and over again?

iPhone debate = "I'd never buy one of them because its an Apple product" - "I'd never buy one of them because it's just an iPod with phone capabilities"

iPad = "I'd never buy one of them because its an Apple product" - "I'd never buy one of them because its a glorified netbook"

Mmmk. Whatever.
Saivert 8th June 2010, 16:51 Quote
http://www.trustedreviews.com/editorial/2010/05/30/How-I-Learned-To-Stop-Worrying-And-Love-The-iPad/p1

read that.. stop worrying! Love Apple!

full-blown Windows does not belong on a low performance low power device. PERIOD.

Windows Phone 7 might have a chance but that is targeted for phones first and foremost. I'm not sure if MS will use that on a tablet device. They would have to design a new OS just for that in that case.
kempez 8th June 2010, 16:54 Quote
Agreed with Nexxo (one day I won't say that! ;)). The iPhone is a phenomenal device designed perfectly for how most users want to use it. I can be classed a one of those 'PC Geeks', for sure, but the pure simplicity, accessibility and design brilliance of the iPhone has sucked me in. The iPad is another question: at that price I'd rather a fully fledged laptop. BUT I do find myself thinking: "if only this laptop switched on instantly like my iPhone" , or "wouldn't it be great if I could just grab an easy device for some quick surfing/e-mail/game playing". I won't get an iPad on price and lack of flash support, but the device still makes sense to me.

As for the casual gaming aspect: what wouldn't you consider a 'proper' game? Hell, I've got loads of low tech, low res older games on my iPhone and their just as fun as when they were cutting edge. I buy games for fun, not for a tech demo.
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