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GiantStickMan 17th May 2010, 10:36 Quote
No offence to the author here but this article could have used some proof reading before posting.

Looks pretty interesting overall. With regards to the XGP -I like the idea but it doesn't sound like it's really going anywhere at the moment? That response sounded less than overwhelming.
tank_rider 17th May 2010, 10:52 Quote
Oh look, more amd cpu's and platforms using 5 year old architecture. Come on AMD get some real work done and give intel a real run for it's money!
rickysio 17th May 2010, 11:24 Quote
Hmm, sounds very interesting!

I'd probably still stick with Intel, though.
alpaca 17th May 2010, 11:41 Quote
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Originally Posted by GiantStickMan
No offence to the author here but this article could have used some proof reading before posting.

i am interested in a netbook that plays HD movies... a netbook with this XGP technology is to much to dream for is it? the cpu will be too big a bottleneck i guess.
GiantStickMan 17th May 2010, 11:48 Quote
I hope you didn't misread my post, I'd like to see XGP take off and I can see real benefits to it, what I meant when I said isn't going anywhere is in terms of support from manufacturers, not what it can achieve if it was to be implemented.
Other companies have tried the external GPU thing before, in fact here is an article that covers using one for HD playback.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/vidock-expresscard-graphics,1933-8.html
Lockon Stratos 17th May 2010, 11:56 Quote
I think, out of all this the XGP interests me the most as a lot of manufacturers have been trying to get this ball rolling for a long time, Asus made the first one aka 'XG station' only marketted, distributed & sold it in Australia then was subsequently pulled from production & discontinued after a year. not really giving a reason for why they decided to pull it or why they even thought Australia was the best place to sell it.

if they had opend shop in the US though, Im sure we'd be seeing the XG station V3 or V4.

I do think there is a market for the External GPU solutions. i think its a very very innovative idea that Asus failed to capitalise because of stupid decisions. but at least that leaves the door wide open for AMD & they can prevent history repeating itself by shipping & selling it gobally so everyone gets to have a try & not just one country. & thats where Asus failed.
roadie 17th May 2010, 14:58 Quote
AMD Turion II Neo K625 in a 13.3", lightweight machine please.
Farfalho 17th May 2010, 16:59 Quote
The problem is Asus went on with the XG Station and no sound of it. Then, by looking at the images, the only company selling laptops with XGP is Fujitsu Siemens and also the XGP box, so you're pretty stuck to one manufacturer and the options aren't that joyful when it comes to gaming.

Nevertheless, a great idea with legs to walk.

Oh and the link at the end of the article needs to be fixed =)
Claave 17th May 2010, 17:19 Quote
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Originally Posted by Farfalho
The problem is Asus went on with the XG Station and no sound of it. Then, by looking at the images, the only company selling laptops with XGP is Fujitsu Siemens and also the XGP box, so you're pretty stuck to one manufacturer and the options aren't that joyful when it comes to gaming.

Nevertheless, a great idea with legs to walk.

Oh and the link at the end of the article needs to be fixed =)

The F-S shots are pretty old tbh - there was no hardware on show at the event. Oh, and link fixed - thanks!
pimonserry 17th May 2010, 18:56 Quote
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Originally Posted by roadie
AMD Turion II Neo K625 in a 13.3", lightweight machine please.

+1.

Hopefully with more low-power stuff like this from AMD, the ultraportable market will get bigger .. more choice for me!
aussiebear 17th May 2010, 19:47 Quote
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Originally Posted by Farfalho
The problem is Asus went on with the XG Station and no sound of it.

Actually, ASUS did a limited production run and sold the XG Station in retail shops for two years in Australia.

The project was abandoned because they did NOT address the major bugs to that implementation.

Effectively, any Australian who bought it wasted money.
Cupboard 17th May 2010, 20:39 Quote
Hmm, Vision+, which sounds pretty good on the surface, can only cope with three things open at once? What?
http://images.bit-tech.net/content_images/2010/05/amd-vision-laptop-technology-preview/visionppb.jpg
Elton 18th May 2010, 00:47 Quote
I'd hope that the XGP comes to fruition, it would be great having a Crysis capable laptop for much less. Plus the market would be quite big.

God knows I need a gaming laptop like that.
Lockon Stratos 18th May 2010, 09:33 Quote
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Originally Posted by Elton
I'd hope that the XGP comes to fruition, it would be great having a Crysis capable laptop for much less. Plus the market would be quite big.

God knows I need a gaming laptop like that.

good luck to you but i think your getting your hopes up.

your gonna buy a cheap/mid range laptop & dock it up with one of these XGPs. I think even some of the newer i5 & i7 chips will create bottlenecks anything above a 5830. its still PCI-E 2.0 though which is nice. but I still dont think cheap/mid range laptops will be overly powerful enough to get decent frames. secondly...since this is an AMD thing, who says they will allow other vendors to put the PCI-E 2.0 port on their laptops & also who are you to tell AMD to put their cheaper/mid range laptops if it truely is an AMD exclusive feature. I wouldnt put it past AMD to make it an exclusive feature for AMD as it would bolster & claw in sales.

but obviously its still too early in the game & this is all just speculation.
Adnoctum 18th May 2010, 09:35 Quote
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Originally Posted by tank_rider
Oh look, more amd cpu's and platforms using 5 year old architecture. Come on AMD get some real work done and give intel a real run for it's money!

AMD doesn't have the resources to have many CPU/Platform teams working in parallel, they have to be smart with resource allocation.
So why, with Fusion just around the corner, would they divert valuable resources to developing a new platform that will be obsoleted in eight months by Fusion at mainstream, and by Bulldozer on the high-end a bit later on? Especially when they can update an already good platform (780G/SB7xx) to one that as good or better than the competition (880G/SB850).

The 880G and Phenom II is just as good as their Intel counterparts at the things most people will do with these machines. I am currently running a good Intel mobile CPU with amazingly craptacular Intel graphics, and personally, I'd rather a CPU down-grade and have better graphics.
Burnout21 18th May 2010, 10:06 Quote
One area of the market that is massively overlooked is the 3D workstation market in the sense of mobility. Finding a laptop with a workstation grade graphics card is like looking for hens teeth. Yes they exist, but mainly Dell's tbh.

I would love a laptop with affordable workstation graphics, please AMD answer my call!

Where is Jim'll fix it!
Lockon Stratos 18th May 2010, 11:08 Quote
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Originally Posted by Burnout21
One area of the market that is massively overlooked is the 3D workstation market in the sense of mobility. Finding a laptop with a workstation grade graphics card is like looking for hens teeth. Yes they exist, but mainly Dell's tbh.

I would love a laptop with affordable workstation graphics, please AMD answer my call!

Where is Jim'll fix it!

theres a reason why there isnt that many in the first place. they simply just dont sell. it would be more cost effective to go to a client with pen & paper, jot down notes & make a few diagrams - even make a really basic render on a busness class laptop then take your results & upload them to a more powerful machine at home or in the office where a lot of your work will take place. there is little consumer interest in that part of the market otherwise they would be shipping like america ships porn & other OEMs would try n muscle in on the competition. the market is non existant.
roadie 18th May 2010, 15:06 Quote
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Originally Posted by pimonserry
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Originally Posted by roadie
AMD Turion II Neo K625 in a 13.3", lightweight machine please.

+1.

Hopefully with more low-power stuff like this from AMD, the ultraportable market will get bigger .. more choice for me!
Yes, and hopefully it will be cheaper than the Intel equivalent too. Something like the Dell Inspiron 13z, but using the AMD platform would be great.
sleepygamer 18th May 2010, 23:52 Quote
If they just gave me a PCI-E x16 connector, a power adapter and the cable, I'd be happy. Imagine just being able to hook up one of your older graphics cards to your laptop. Bam! Instant performance boost over an integrated solution.
Elton 19th May 2010, 04:14 Quote
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Originally Posted by Lockon Stratos
good luck to you but i think your getting your hopes up.

your gonna buy a cheap/mid range laptop & dock it up with one of these XGPs. I think even some of the newer i5 & i7 chips will create bottlenecks anything above a 5830. its still PCI-E 2.0 though which is nice. but I still dont think cheap/mid range laptops will be overly powerful enough to get decent frames. secondly...since this is an AMD thing, who says they will allow other vendors to put the PCI-E 2.0 port on their laptops & also who are you to tell AMD to put their cheaper/mid range laptops if it truely is an AMD exclusive feature. I wouldnt put it past AMD to make it an exclusive feature for AMD as it would bolster & claw in sales.

but obviously its still too early in the game & this is all just speculation.

Regardless, it's still a great feature, and a hell of a lot better than integrated.

Think about it this way, even those excellent mobile chips, cost too much, this way we save quite a bit.
somewhereoveryonda 20th May 2010, 14:59 Quote
This is a genious idea for the average user to help the folks in PC world spin off machines to people who dont know much better.. is it really gona help anyone else?
Arj12 23rd May 2010, 12:14 Quote
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Originally Posted by rickysio
Hmm, sounds very interesting!

I'd probably still stick with Intel, though.
I think I'll be doing the same! From experience intel always seem to have the better cpu's! Mind you I really want AMD to take a big chunk of intel's market so that prices will come down =D
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