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Bobtheblob 6th November 2012, 01:18 Quote
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Why are you testing with Catalyst 12.8???

Using Catalyst 12.11 would give another 10% boost in performance...

Because re-testing 20 graphics cards everytime Nvidia and AMD get into a driver argument would mean we'd never stop benchmarking GPUs. We think it's more useful to see the whole market in our graphs, not just 2 or 3 comparable cards.

And this is why I don't visit Bit-tech very often any more... Your reviews just aren't very useful or informative anymore. (Plus the pop-up Ads are really starting to annoy me)

Catalyst 12.11 isn't just a random driver update, it's known to bring huge performance increases (10-15%).

By not using Catalyst 12.11, your performance comparisons are completely irrelevant to the current graphics card marketplace since they don't represent the real performance you can get from buying the card.

Maybe re-testing all the cards would be a big effort, but other people seem to manage it fine...!
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Catalyst_12.11_Performance/

Bye bye bit-tech
Spreadie 6th November 2012, 08:57 Quote
Wow, bye then. We'll certainly miss the the contribution you've made to the community with your single, solitary post.
Shirty 6th November 2012, 10:01 Quote
I already miss Bobtheblob :'(
Baz 6th November 2012, 11:40 Quote
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Originally Posted by Bobtheblob
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Originally Posted by Baz
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Originally Posted by yanglu
Why are you testing with Catalyst 12.8???

Using Catalyst 12.11 would give another 10% boost in performance...

Because re-testing 20 graphics cards everytime Nvidia and AMD get into a driver argument would mean we'd never stop benchmarking GPUs. We think it's more useful to see the whole market in our graphs, not just 2 or 3 comparable cards.

And this is why I don't visit Bit-tech very often any more... Your reviews just aren't very useful or informative anymore. (Plus the pop-up Ads are really starting to annoy me)

Catalyst 12.11 isn't just a random driver update, it's known to bring huge performance increases (10-15%).

By not using Catalyst 12.11, your performance comparisons are completely irrelevant to the current graphics card marketplace since they don't represent the real performance you can get from buying the card.

Maybe re-testing all the cards would be a big effort, but other people seem to manage it fine...!
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Catalyst_12.11_Performance/

Bye bye bit-tech

Sorry you feel so sad about this, but we don't get drawn into driver wars between AMD or Nvidia, and never have, usually only testing WHQL drivers. As soon as AMD dropped the cat 12.11 beta, Nvidia released its own improved beta drivers; if we did retest every time someone dropped a driver revision, we'd never stop testing GPUs. Our results are still relevant for comparison to other GPUs and for a accurate idea of performance.
Bloodburgers 6th November 2012, 16:00 Quote
I am curious.
How many people are there that are looking at buying a new mid range GPU read this review and thought oh they tested it with old drivers thats sucks?

I myself read the review, noted the benchmarks, in tests most like what i game with, and use them exactly as what they are BENCHMARKS.

Not everyone will game the same results as no two systems will be EXACTLY the same so in essence any benchmarks are completely useless for actual results and should be used as guides.

Personally I believe the review is a fair reflection on the card and provides the necessary information were i looking to purchase such an item.
Shirty 6th November 2012, 16:07 Quote
Exactly. If drivers are of such huge concern then look at the benchmarks, add an arbitrary 10% to them (marketing figures tend to verge on the hyperbolous) and add 5% to the score at the end of the review.

Profit.


I know hyperbolous isn't an actual word, but it should be
Bloodburgers 6th November 2012, 16:44 Quote
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Originally Posted by Bloodburgers
I am curious.
How many people are there that are looking at buying a new mid range GPU read this review and thought oh they tested it with old drivers thats sucks?

I myself read the review, noted the benchmarks, in tests most like what i game with, and use them exactly as what they are BENCHMARKS.

Not everyone will gain the same results as no two systems will be EXACTLY the same so in essence any benchmarks are completely useless for actual results and should be used as guides.

Personally I believe the review is a fair reflection on the card and provides the necessary information were i looking to purchase such an item.
Bloodburgers 6th November 2012, 16:44 Quote
oops just meant to edit spelling error not repost sorry peeps
thewelshbrummie 6th November 2012, 20:11 Quote
Possibly my next card to replace my aging HD5770 but I usually compromise on price if I can get a quieter card. I've read the review a few times and I can't see any volume measurements - how loud is this card?
bawjaws 7th November 2012, 16:31 Quote
I see that Scan have put the price of this card up from £120 to just under £130 since this article was published. Don't get me wrong, it's still great value, but this looks a wee bit like opportunism on the part of Scan - or I am just being cynical?
StoneyMahoney 8th November 2012, 14:18 Quote
Just ordered one for a little VMware experiment... should be interesting!
Bloodburgers 8th November 2012, 15:09 Quote
At the time of the article the gpu was on a today only deal.

And i dont want what i say next to be taken in the wrong way but i would have thought it better bit-tech say the normal price and then mention that as an extra bonus it was on offer. either way good value for money i would say bearing in mind the next cheapest one they sell is a further £14.14.

(All prices were correct at time of this post)..... just before someone pulls me up on it :P
Spreadie 8th November 2012, 16:56 Quote
It's changed already - now £128.40

With that kind of price volatility, the review price doesn't matter. We saw the same thing in 2009 with SSDs - the prices were moving daily, and some variances were almost 50% (increase).
Duncan 6th February 2013, 19:36 Quote
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Originally Posted by Bobtheblob
And this is why I don't visit Bit-tech very often any more... Your reviews just aren't very useful or informative anymore. (Plus the pop-up Ads are really starting to annoy me)

Catalyst 12.11 isn't just a random driver update, it's known to bring huge performance increases (10-15%).

By not using Catalyst 12.11, your performance comparisons are completely irrelevant to the current graphics card marketplace since they don't represent the real performance you can get from buying the card.

Maybe re-testing all the cards would be a big effort, but other people seem to manage it fine...!
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Catalyst_12.11_Performance/

Bye bye bit-tech

Well with the latest 13.1 drivers there are significant fps drops and we are only a few weeks on from the 12.8 Catalysts!

It seems it may have been as a result of AMD having to fix latency issues in many games causing those games to stutter during gameplay. This appears to have been caused by AMD sqewing their drivers design for the very maximum frame rates obtainable without paying attention to the quality of frame renditions.

I like bit-tech reviews I find them to be amoungst the best available and they also listen to member feedback in a positive way to further improve what they do. Good job bit-tech!

On that note perhaps in future bit-tech GPU reviews, can I suggest there is some form of latency testing done, it helps to show how smooth gameplay is whilst being able to compare it to the actual framerates achieved.

Thanks for the reviews ;)
Duncan 6th February 2013, 21:11 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobtheblob
And this is why I don't visit Bit-tech very often any more... Your reviews just aren't very useful or informative anymore. (Plus the pop-up Ads are really starting to annoy me)

Catalyst 12.11 isn't just a random driver update, it's known to bring huge performance increases (10-15%).

By not using Catalyst 12.11, your performance comparisons are completely irrelevant to the current graphics card marketplace since they don't represent the real performance you can get from buying the card.

Maybe re-testing all the cards would be a big effort, but other people seem to manage it fine...!
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Catalyst_12.11_Performance/

Bye bye bit-tech

Well with the latest 13.1 drivers there are significant fps drops and we are only a few weeks on from the 12.11 Catalysts!

It seems it may have been as a result of AMD having to fix latency issues in many games causing those games to stutter during gameplay. This appears to have been caused by AMD sqewing their drivers' design for the very maximum frame rates obtainable without paying attention to the quality of frame renditions.

I like bit-tech reviews I find them to be amoungst the best available and they also listen to member feedback in a positive way to further improve what they do. Good job bit-tech!

On that note perhaps in future bit-tech GPU reviews, can I suggest there is some form of latency testing done, it helps to show how smooth gameplay is whilst being able to compare it to the actual framerates achieved.

Thanks for the reviews and keep up the good work ;)
grimerking 22nd December 2013, 11:40 Quote
I've been playing with Afterburner and Kombustor to overclock my card. The newest version of Afterburner unlocks the core and RAM frequencies. I found mine to be stable at 1100 core / 1300 RAM. I might be able to push it a little higher, but I'm still tweaking.

I'd also recommend removing the cooler and applying some Arctic Silver 5. It seems to have made big difference to temps. They're now topping out at 68 with automatic can control enabled. The fan tops out at 50%< which I can't hear.
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