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Originally Posted by m0ngyI've attempted to contribute to the forums before, years ago, however found the impenetrable BT clique so obnoxious and dismissive I very quickly retired.
The problem is, Simon, that the very instant you sell out, you are branded for life, you have ZERO credability. You're just another whore at the capitalist gang bang, everything you do is suspect, and everything you say is like a turd falling into my drink.
Originally Posted by adidanSeriously, you try and accuse the forums of being 'obnoxious and dismissive' and then you go on to throw obnoxious and dismissive insults.
My point regarding post count was with reference to comments on here regarding how the community and site have gone downhill. However, such low post counts indicate that some users have not even contributed to the community before deciding they want to post about their perceived failings of the site/community.
Originally Posted by jimmyjjI didn't like the article either (I posted earlier to say it sucked), but by god there are some idiots on this thread (mOngy).
This site works in a Capitalist Society. Whether you like Capitalism or not that's the way it is and income has to be generated.
Specifically stating that an article is sponsored at least highlights potential bias and readers don't have to read said article.
Originally Posted by m0ngyBut contributing to the forums? Uh uh, tried that and got burnt already, they're heavily trolled. I reckon a lot of people have tried to contribute to the BT forums and found them quite impenetrable. If you don't already have a long history, it's just a big sh!t fight, you get immediately shouted down and ridiculed.
Originally Posted by m0ngyInitially, it wasn't tagged as an advertorial, and it still shares exactly the same space and format as 'real' editorials. That's very dodgy. I know it, the more intelligent readers know it, and the editors know it. I mean, that was whole idea in the first place, to essentially disguise an ad in amongst the real editorials, and why it's so fundamentally damning.
Originally Posted by brumgruntOf course. We've lost a lot of advertising from lots companies for criticising their products in the past. Our reviews are utterly independent of advertising spend. Always have been, always will be.
Originally Posted by boyparkaWell, I hope it'll stay that way, but I do agree with mOngy: there is a difference between running an actual ad, and publishing a 'sponsored article' that mimics your editorial style. I'm not so naive to believe advertisers aren't a constant threat to any journalist's objectivity, but I do assume that journalist is allowed a certain degree of independence to do his job. Blending your ad space with your actual content contradicts that notion, and -- at the risk of sounding overly dramatic -- tells me your opinion is for sale. You add to the sponsor's credibility, but you lose some of our own in the process.
The main argument in your own defence seems to be that you're clearly marking the article as sponsored. Well, sure, that allowed me to skip this particular article, but it does not negate any of its ill effects. Next time I'm reading a review, or checking out one of your recommended PC builds, I'll be wondering... Because now I know BT is willing to enlist their editorial board as copywriters. A red flag for anyone trying to gauge your journalistic integrity, if ever there was one.
As for people remarking that members with low post counts (I'm definitely one of them) are now coming out of the woodwork: shouldn't that be telling you something? People who otherwise don't have the time or inclination to post on forums, are now willing to make an exception because they feel this is important enough?
My two cents, for what they're worth. I'm reverting to 'not having the time to post on forums' now...
Originally Posted by arcticstoatQuote:Originally Posted by CiberI do feel this type of piece that I have seen in Custom PC and now here deliberately blurs the line between the adverts and the honest reviews.
Again, please can I ask for an example of where this was in Custom PC?
Originally Posted by CiberI do feel this type of piece that I have seen in Custom PC and now here deliberately blurs the line between the adverts and the honest reviews.
Originally Posted by ErgathSorry for the double post, but I wanted to add that the first time I saw an article in another print mag along these lines I wrote to the Editor to register my disappointment. One of the reasons I love (and subscribe to) CPC is that there is none of this stuff. For the record, as I think I have said previously, I'd happily pay a higher sub to keep sponsored articles away.
Originally Posted by BazFollowing the response to this article, I don't think you've got to worry too much about in regards to a repeat performance.
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