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AMD Radeon HD 7970 3GB Review

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Sloth 22nd December 2011, 18:56 Quote
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Originally Posted by r3loaded
The reason it's highly priced is because they can. AMD know that Nvidia won't have any response to the 7970 until at least Q2 2012, and so they can avoid their usual profit margin-destroying strategy of undercutting Nvidia.

Once Kepler lands, they'll slash hard to maintain their lead.
Pretty much this. Being more powerful than a GTX580 it can command an even higher price. I was shocked when the rumors first came out about the high price but in retrospect it makes sense. They milk high profit out of the first cards while they can so they can slash as low as possible to match Nvidia.

I also woudn't doubt that as the rest of the 7xxx series is launched the price will drop slightly, right now the 6xxx series isn't totally obsolete so the 7970 is being priced according to 6xxx price-performance ratios.
Cei 22nd December 2011, 19:03 Quote
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Originally Posted by fingerbob69
"most people said the GTX 580 was too expensive at launch as well. It's only been with price cuts that it has become a better proposition for a build."
...and this wont come down in price?
"You also have to look at the context in which a card is launched - if AMD wanted to hand a hammering to NVIDIA they need the 7970 to directly compete with 580 buyers on price, not be significantly more expensive."
...you want new tech at old tech prices....hmmm?

"a key facet of the 480" ....was that it was 6 months late! And no one knows when nVidia's response will turn up... or how it will perform.

Firstly, I think you need to learn how to use the Quote feature...

Secondly, of course the 7970 will come down in price, eventually. Once it does, it may well become a better value proposition for buyers. However this is probably a year away before any decent cut hits.

New tech at old prices? Sure, why ever not? Intel launches new CPUs at the same price points as the previous generation after all...

Yes the 480 was late. That bears no relation to whether Kepler will be late or not. The argument about waiting is not necessarily to go out and buy an NVIDIA card, it's about getting a view of the whole, rather than rushing in to buying a card when it is the only option, only to regret it a few months down the line.
mediapcAddict 22nd December 2011, 19:07 Quote
yes, but can it play farmville

srsly - update now and you'll get all your games in gloriously immersive full visual detail now and all the future releases over the next 18 months in similar fully detail - seems an easy choice if you can afford it.
fathazza 22nd December 2011, 19:15 Quote
far too expensive for my blood.... :(
fingerbob69 22nd December 2011, 19:49 Quote
1: I don't need to be patronised by you and I'll respond anyway I damn well please.

2: A year?... more like when nVidia put out their next gen leader ....which could be a year away! lol

3: Those who want the current best and have the depth of pocket to be able to afford it will be pre-ordering as we speak. If the tables were turned and this was an nVidia release ...the same would be true.

What we have here ...on 9th Jan is the now best single gpu, by an extraordinary percentage improvement over the current gen for just £20 max (if the £440 cost pans out to accurate) more than the last best cost on release. And some people are going 'meh'. Incredible!
Sloth 22nd December 2011, 20:17 Quote
I've been fairly excited for the 7970 as my two year upgrade cycle is calling for something new this winter, but it is indeed a bit "meh" at the moment. If you're in the market for a £400~ card then sure, it seems to be a good competitor but let's be honest: not everyone is in that market. It's a bit hard to get enthused about something one won't realistically be considering, at least not until the price drops.
maverik-sg1 22nd December 2011, 20:26 Quote
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Originally Posted by fingerbob69
What we have here ...on 9th Jan is the now best single gpu, by an extraordinary percentage improvement over the current gen for just £20 max (if the £440 cost pans out to accurate) more than the last best cost on release. And some people are going 'meh'. Incredible!

There's no extra-ordinary percentage advantage and only a fool would buy a 28nm card before the other side (whichever that may be) has released a card, unless of course you just happen to enjoy forking out £440 a card every 6 months.

It's also a false eceonomy to buy a card withing 5 weeks of release - allow the market to flood with unsold units then grab yourself a bargain.

There's certainly no rush to buy a new card if you are gaming at 1900x1080 or lower resolution.
madmike32 22nd December 2011, 21:05 Quote
I am amazed that all the tests done so far ...and even by Bit-tech.net ...which is usualy my first port of call for decent tests...
The fact that you have used 11.12 drivers is not good...and not good research by your testers to put it mildly....
11.12 do not support the HD7000 series cards.
Also 11.12 do not have the performance enhancements for current games that 11.11C do....about time you read the info on AMD/ATI's site about the drivers etc.
Also the only driver to support the HD7000 series is the 12.1 preview drivers... yes they are not WHQL tested but the point is that they are the only set of drivers to support the HD7000 series GPU...
So why in the hell are you using the wrong drivers during the test...and also the 11.12 drivers do not have performance enhancements and fix's for current games...so even the older 6000 and 5000 and lesser series cards do not get any gains in current games that they would get by using 11.11C..
So please do more research on drivers before you test with old drivers which don't support the new Tech...and also don't even do the other HD series cards much justice either..

I would have thought you would have known this fact about the drivers..
Please re-test using 12.1preview drivers as I would like to see the tests done again with drivers that support the HD7000 series and also see the figures from games that need the 11.11C drivers to get better performance and reliability from

Mike
Fizzl 22nd December 2011, 21:51 Quote
I don't see any features other than 'faster'.

I have a 2GB 6950 pretending to be a 6970 overclocked a fair amount, was enough for 1920x1080 BF3 but now that I'm playing around with 3 screens and eyefinity it feels like I need a bit more kick.

Seems like I'm better off just getting another 6950 and doing the same upgrade since it will cost considerably less and give me the performance boost I'm after. Any thoughts?
Pooeypants 22nd December 2011, 21:53 Quote
Why on earth would you bother including Skyrim? It's a DX9 game with a game engine from 2006 albeit slightly updated. The game is notorious for being CPU bound due to it only really using 2 cores. That's hardly a game you would or should use when benchmark a beast like this... stop wasting your time and our time, drop it for something more relevant (Skyrim is a great game but it's definitely not a framerate benchmarker).
fdbh96 22nd December 2011, 22:00 Quote
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Originally Posted by Pooeypants
Why on earth would you bother including Skyrim? It's a DX9 game with a game engine from 2006 albeit slightly updated. The game is notorious for being CPU bound due to it only really using 2 cores. That's hardly a game you would or should use when benchmark a beast like this... stop wasting your time and our time, drop it for something more relevant (Skyrim is a great game but it's definitely not a framerate benchmarker).

Compare how this gpu compares with your/their current gpu on the game?
Elton 22nd December 2011, 22:49 Quote
I think I'll just crossfire my HD6850s. Or wait until the next generation mid-range card. Truth be told the increase isn't justified given that come the HD8xxx or GTX8(or 9??) series would just have this kind of performance in a smaller power envelope.

At any rate, CrossfireX is actually mature enough to warrant a shot. Although I do wish I could've gotten HD6870s, HD6850s in crossfire should be relatively interesting.
rogerrabbits 22nd December 2011, 23:42 Quote
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Originally Posted by Res
Nope, but I would like to maintain 60 with the AA cranked up as high as I can :)

Yeah. I like running a good card so I can do that too, but it's just that there are only a few games that really need it. BF3, Arma2, and that's about the only ones I play that have settings high enough to push my card :( I am pleased that they are improving the noise levels of the cards though. The only reason I never bought a 580 when they were new is because they were so loud. I wouldn't mind getting similar performance to that but with a good volume and temps.
stanonwheels 23rd December 2011, 16:34 Quote
That's one of the best looking graphics cards I've ever seen. Even makes faildozer seem bearable just so I can colour-coordinate my rig :)
metarinka 24th December 2011, 03:45 Quote
I'm waiting for the 7950 or whatever is one step below this card. I have a 5850 that works well but it's starting to show it's age. Guess I'll be waiting a few more months though
Abdul Hadi 24th December 2011, 05:32 Quote
HEY WHERE IS THE FOLDING@HOME analysis page?
debs3759 24th December 2011, 09:10 Quote
FAH doesn't run on the new cards yet. We'll have to wait for the next beta version to see if they have it added by then (they can't release a new version for every new card, and card IDs are hard coded to the current version).

I don't think you can get it running on the 6.x gpu clients either, although that wasn't specifically mentioned in a review I read a couple of days ago that mentioned v7 (sorry, I have forgotten the link).
earlydoors 26th December 2011, 17:41 Quote
I haven't upgraded since May 10, so I'm definitely thinking of investing

I've had my GTX 260 for a long while and it started showing its age since I moved up the resolution ladder. I'm sure the next card I have will last me plenty too.

Question is, will AMD's design improve with their next releases like Fermi did from GTX4 to GTX5, or is it all only in the hardware configuration of the card?
t4n6o 26th December 2011, 18:14 Quote
I so want one of these......


does anyone fancy getting me a brthday present for me in march ;);););)
Waynio 27th December 2011, 16:04 Quote
Now I know how demanding 2560x1440 res is for gaming I'm gonna need a bigger boat, erm GPU :D & something like this or nvidia's next should be just what I need to max games at such a res.
emenac 28th December 2011, 08:57 Quote
Cool from specification point of view and also dashing in look. However there price problem, price is more as compare to its features... Might be drop after some days of launching...
Paradigm Shifter 28th December 2011, 14:44 Quote
Scan are saying (at the bottom of the page) that this'll be in the £500 region upon release. I hope that that's just them (and possibly other etailers) price-gouging for what amounts to a paper launch, rather than an 80 quid 'Rip-Off Britain' tax, because even after 20% VAT, a direct USD to GBP conversion is £421. ($549->£351, £351+20%VAT = £421)...

I was going to pick one of these up at the end of January/early February, when I rebuild my Surround rig (mobo dying) to give EyeFinity a shot, but if prices are going to be that high for many months, I won't bother.
dunx 28th December 2011, 14:51 Quote
Sorry, but without a better monitor, this would be overkill for me.

I would like to see it's number crunching ability measured myself.

dunx
Waynio 28th December 2011, 21:11 Quote
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Originally Posted by Paradigm Shifter
Scan are saying (at the bottom of the page) that this'll be in the £500 region upon release. I hope that that's just them (and possibly other etailers) price-gouging for what amounts to a paper launch, rather than an 80 quid 'Rip-Off Britain' tax, because even after 20% VAT, a direct USD to GBP conversion is £421. ($549->£351, £351+20%VAT = £421)...

I was going to pick one of these up at the end of January/early February, when I rebuild my Surround rig (mobo dying) to give EyeFinity a shot, but if prices are going to be that high for many months, I won't bother.

:'( The dawn of the uber expensive GPU.

£500 Sheesh, well there goes my GPU upgrade system, I'd need 2 580's to raise the cash for 1 of these definitely not getting a single GPU at such a bloated price, this new ATI card (sorry will always be ATI in my mind :)) is good but not £500 good :D.
BurningFeetMan 28th December 2011, 22:45 Quote
I wish review sites would consider the statistics of hardware surveys, such as Valve's hardware survey which I've linked below, before choosing various video card makes and models for benchmarking comparisons.

http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/directx/

and this one;

http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/


When reviewing hardware, please benchmark it against not only last seasons models, but also the most popular currently used video cards out there, at this time of writing;

ATI Radeon HD 5770
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 460
ATI Radeon HD 5850
ATI Radeon HD 5870
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 470

This would benefit a large portion of readers who don't own the latest video card, making the results much more personal and useful to them . You don't have to cater for every video card out there, but it'd be nice to see the popular older cards always kept in your bench marks so that people can see the difference.

/rant

If any readers agree with this, cut & paste it onto every review/benchmark website until our voices are heard!

/revolution
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