Published on 24th May 2011 by
Originally Posted by Scroome*snip*
Originally Posted by ScroomeYou know what I find interesting? So far over all this talk of 3D technology, you have the people who are totally against the tech and then there are those who love it and say to those who don't to "just conform". What I would say, is that this is a perfect example of corporate tactics to make people buy something new and potentially expensive to keep them going to the next shiny and possibly pointless feature that they think people need.
The first time they tried to release 3D, it failed fairly well. Why? Well I'm sure there were plenty of reasons that it didn't succeed, but primarly people didn't want it. One reason for this is possibly that people weren't so easily moulded by corporations into thinking that they needed this to surive (of course limits in tech were probably a main factor also). Fast forward to 2011 and personally, I think people are far more open to suggestive influence from corporate PR. With the internet and this constant "you need to conform to everyone else" attitude it makes things so much easier for people to sell you things you don't really need.
Look at the way they're handling 3D at the moment. They know it's not exactly popular with the masses for the second time, and yes, selling it to them again is proving not as easy as they would have originally hoped, but here's the thing. This isn't the 80's anymore and corporations have spent a lot of time and money on PR. They've become patient. They know that 3D isn't the shining glory that they would want people to believe. Instead, they try a different tactic, they herd the sheep at a more digestable rate.
3D comes out firstly in movies, then T.V and games. People at first have the option of watching either the 3D version or 2D version, so the option is there. Over time 3D becomes pretty much the mainstream for new movie releases at the cinema, which then reflects on to Blu-rays and of course television sets. Entertainment reaches a stage where all new televisions released are 3D compliant and systems like SKY 3D becomes the standard set they produce. We are all being slowly but surely herded into the 3D pen. Corporations want us to buy this, so this is what we must do.
Sorry, rant over for today. I just hate being told what to buy and watching younger generations being conditioned to love whatever they're told to.
Originally Posted by tonyd2233D is coming whether we like it or not - and as it's still early days, it will get better and cheaper over time.
Think I posted that exact line on a dial-up bullettin board 20 years ago about DVD, wireless, (insert tech here)...
Originally Posted by slothy89Only good thing I can see about developers pushing the 3D "fad" is that 120hz monitors will become affordable mainstream devices with good quality. 60hz just isn't enough..
The human eye may not be able to fully identify more than 30fps but it sure as hell can notice the difference in fluincy between 60 & 120 fps. You may not be able to see every frame for what it is in it's entirety, but the extra detail is still appreciated.
Originally Posted by feathersA conspiracy of stupidity. Perhaps you're all part of some secret group whose members have only one usable eye so you bitterly resent the inevitable transition to stereoscopic gaming.
Originally Posted by azrael-I'm personally convinced that people aren't against "3D" as such. They're just against the crap implementations which manufacturers are trying to push on us.
Originally Posted by azrael-"3D" shouldn't be allowed outside the lab before it's equivalent to *exactly* the way that human vision perceives it.
Originally Posted by azrael-Quote:Originally Posted by slothy89Only good thing I can see about developers pushing the 3D "fad" is that 120hz monitors will become affordable mainstream devices with good quality. 60hz just isn't enough..
The human eye may not be able to fully identify more than 30fps but it sure as hell can notice the difference in fluincy between 60 & 120 fps. You may not be able to see every frame for what it is in it's entirety, but the extra detail is still appreciated.My sentiments exactly, which is why I stated as much earlier in this thread. :)
Quote:Originally Posted by feathersA conspiracy of stupidity. Perhaps you're all part of some secret group whose members have only one usable eye so you bitterly resent the inevitable transition to stereoscopic gaming.So everyone here is stupid, but you. Interesting...
I'm personally convinced that people aren't against "3D" as such. They're just against the crap implementations which manufacturers are trying to push on us.
There's so much else in display technology which should be solved/improved first before pushing this gimmicky 3D effect on us. OLED monitors/tvs come to mind.
"3D" shouldn't be allowed outside the lab before it's equivalent to *exactly* the way that human vision perceives it.
Originally Posted by feathersOne read of the comments on this forum and it's easy to understand why new tech sometimes fails. Most of us are born with stereoscopic vision and so it doesn't take a genius to work out that 3d displays are therefore inevitable in the same way 3d sound is. I am guessing there were also people who bitched endlessly when the first surround sound systems were introduced. They'd say things like "it's a fad", "it's a gimmick", "it made me vomit". Why do we have surround sound technology? Because we are born with 3d sound decoding and so 3d audio hardware is thus INEVITABLE. It is no different with stereoscopic tech, it is inevitable.
I see there are many short-sighted people who are very resistant to change especially when change may require them to spend more money. Stereoscopic hardware is not something that has been "tried before and failed", it is something that has been developed steadily over many decades and is now at a stage where it can be mass produced at relatively low cost. For the first time we are seeing HIGH DEFINITION stereoscopic consumer camcorders available. This is not tech that was tried and failed to gain acceptance, it is tech that has finally come of age.
The thing that really shocks me is the level of ignorance I see on places like this. People dismissing something and demonstrating a very poor understanding of the tech and the history of stereoscopic hardware.
I lost count of the number of times people have used the words "fad" and "gimmick" to describe the tech. It just shows a complete and utter lack of knowledge and even of logic. If we were all born with monoscopic vision then you could call stereoscopic tech a gimmick. If you want to call it a gimmick or fad then you might as well show complete stupidity and say the same about stereo and surround audio.
I disagree with many of the comments here that seem to regard 3d as some sort of scam to make more money.
Originally Posted by ScroomeQuote:I disagree with many of the comments here that seem to regard 3d as some sort of scam to make more money.
Agreed. I think to say that 3D is a scam would be a little over dramatic, but I would say (and I think you're probably in agreement) that companies have lauched this ship a little on the early side, probably thinking that HD took off quite well so this is an obvious sales winner. When they realised people,
A) Didn't find it as interesting as HD media
B) Thought, damn it, I've just forked out £500-£1000 for a T.V that isn't compatible
They should have given people a little more time to accept HD as the mainstream form of visual media, and then slowly introduced 3D to people which would would keep their appetites just wet enough to want more in the future.
What I did find interesting, is your mention of 3D camcorders. Now that's an interesting piece of tech.
What I'm waiting for though, is the old news stories to appear about someone in their 80's going to a 3D movie and keeling over thinking the monster was coming for them. Daily Mail or the Sun written all over it!
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