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XFX Radeon HD 5870 Black Edition Graphics Card Review

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the_kille4 17th June 2010, 11:48 Quote
feh... what is the point of these OC cards with that price premium when its OCed so little
Pete J 17th June 2010, 12:21 Quote
Those temperatures are awesome...makes me want to go watercooling.

I got to say though, the overclocking sucks.
Kovoet 17th June 2010, 12:23 Quote
Just show's how good a standard 5870 card actually is to be honest.
binary101 17th June 2010, 12:24 Quote
"XFX claiming Black Edition cards to be its ‘Family Jewels’ - a marketing claim that made us slightly hesitant when it came to opening the box. Fortunately, the box contained no genitalia but it did house a graphics card."

I Loled.
bw67958 17th June 2010, 12:59 Quote
Accordign to Scan its £399 inc vat which doesn't make it that great when you can get a gtx480 for a bit less!
mi1ez 17th June 2010, 13:00 Quote
Disappointing.
leexgx 17th June 2010, 13:14 Quote
any one noticed what driver version was used in this review for Nvidia. 256 drivers are 5-15% faster (more so in bad company) WHQL is now out now, When the review was made most likely did not have WHQL drivers but Bad company 2 really needs the 256 drivers beta or not, as map load time sucks with 197 game is a lot more stable as well and less jumpy
Lockon Stratos 17th June 2010, 14:19 Quote
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Originally Posted by bw67958
Accordign to Scan its £399 inc vat which doesn't make it that great when you can get a gtx480 for a bit less!

Or you can just buy a reference 5850 that can OC to 5870 performance with a small voltage tweak. anyhooo

this review is alright at best, very informative but you missed out 1 crucial element in the review & thats OVERCLOCKING - obviously the card is already pre-overclocked but i thought you guys would have tried to see if it could clock any further to validate XFX's claims that these Cypress XT chips are the best of the best of the best.

good review - but its lacking
fingerbob69 17th June 2010, 14:28 Quote
Lockon S. ...They did;

"XFX claims to allow some overclocking headroom in its Black Edition cards, so we cracked out AMD Clock Tool and managed to raise the GPU speed by 30MHz, which gave a minor boost to our benchmark results. We tried to fiddle with the memory too, but any increase above the standard 1.3GHz of the card resulted in artefacts even on the Windows desktop. "

Don't you get the feeling that bar a few custom coolers Ati and their partners are done with this gen of cards?
Xir 17th June 2010, 14:30 Quote
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The Nvidia GeForce GTX 480 recently usurped the ATI Radeon HD 5870 as the fastest single-GPU card available to buy.
Funny that in the conclusion of that article it says:
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While offering performance superior to the HD 5870 in some situations, most notably Battlefield: Bad Company 2 and Dirt 2, the GTX 480 is unable to conclusively claim the title as fastest single GPU graphics card
Soo. what happened since then? Driver Update?

Conclusion, the cooler and quieter VaporX is still the way to go as far as 5870's are concerned?
xaser04 17th June 2010, 14:43 Quote
Meh I will stick with my Asus HD5870 VT @ 1000/5200.
azrael- 17th June 2010, 15:08 Quote
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Originally Posted by Xir
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The Nvidia GeForce GTX 480 recently usurped the ATI Radeon HD 5870 as the fastest single-GPU card available to buy.
Funny that in the conclusion of that article it says:
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While offering performance superior to the HD 5870 in some situations, most notably Battlefield: Bad Company 2 and Dirt 2, the GTX 480 is unable to conclusively claim the title as fastest single GPU graphics card
Soo. what happened since then? Driver Update?

Conclusion, the cooler and quieter VaporX is still the way to go as far as 5870's are concerned?

I second this. Last time I checked the GX480 was far from being the undisputed single card performance leader. If anything it's a tie.
crazyceo 17th June 2010, 15:23 Quote
oh dear! are the ATi fan brigade getting worried over a few fps points lost to the fermi?

Read the conclusion again as Bit-Tech clearly recommend picking up the standard 5870. As a willy waving contest yes, the GTX480 just and only just pips in the single card range but at a large cost to heat, noise and power. Until that is sorted, I'm holding off my next Nvidia purchase.
wuyanxu 17th June 2010, 15:30 Quote
the board design looks cheap, looks like analogue power circuit rather than reference 5870's digital. (?)
[USRF]Obiwan 17th June 2010, 16:48 Quote
I was wondering how much power (idle) the cards consume when areo is not enabled. For modern graphics card to make this much wattage when doing nothing but some 2D and added 3D. (areo)

Why don't the GPU chip makers not implement some energy saving measures. Like for example run at half speed, disable 70% of calculation cores etc. Or switch to onboard GPU and shutdown pci-e GPU when not in use.
bogie170 17th June 2010, 17:12 Quote
So what would you recommend as the best 5870 card for speed, quietness and price?

Asus, XFX, Powercolour?
The boy 4rm oz 17th June 2010, 17:49 Quote
Just get stock and watercool. Personally I don't see the point in shopping around for an OC version. If you buy a decent brand up front whether it be eVGA, Gigabyte, ASUS, XFX (or any other respectable brand) they basically perform on par (assuming they all have the same memory and board design). Yeah some manufacturers throw in better air coolers but for the extra cost for the card you can get their identical stock offering and watercool for less with half the heat and none of the noise.
Claave 17th June 2010, 17:51 Quote
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Originally Posted by [USRF]Obiwan
I was wondering how much power (idle) the cards consume when areo is not enabled. For modern graphics card to make this much wattage when doing nothing but some 2D and added 3D. (areo)

Why don't the GPU chip makers not implement some energy saving measures. Like for example run at half speed, disable 70% of calculation cores etc. Or switch to onboard GPU and shutdown pci-e GPU when not in use.

All modern graphics cards clock themselves down when idle - the last bit sounds like Nvidia's Optimus (search the site) so they're working on that too.
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Originally Posted by bogie170
So what would you recommend as the best 5870 card for speed, quietness and price?

Asus, XFX, Powercolour?

All sound like good bets, yes. The reference cooler for a HD 5870 is pretty good, and everyone has at least reference-cooler model in their range, so choose your favourite manufacturer/retailer or look out for special deals and bundles.
rickysio 17th June 2010, 18:17 Quote
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Originally Posted by Lockon Stratos
Or you can just buy a reference 5850 that can OC to 5870 performance with a small voltage tweak. anyhooo

this review is alright at best, very informative but you missed out 1 crucial element in the review & thats OVERCLOCKING - obviously the card is already pre-overclocked but i thought you guys would have tried to see if it could clock any further to validate XFX's claims that these Cypress XT chips are the best of the best of the best.

good review - but its lacking

Read The Article again.


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Originally Posted by http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2010/06/17/xfx-radeon-hd-5870-black-edition-review/8
XFX claims to allow some overclocking headroom in its Black Edition cards, so we cracked out AMD Clock Tool and managed to raise the GPU speed by 30MHz, which gave a minor boost to our benchmark results. We tried to fiddle with the memory too, but any increase above the standard 1.3GHz of the card resulted in artefacts even on the Windows desktop.
HourBeforeDawn 17th June 2010, 18:32 Quote
man I still laugh when I see the power consumption and heat out put of the GTX 480 for the little to no gain that card offers lol.
Krayzie_B.o.n.e. 17th June 2010, 19:02 Quote
I'm So very disappointed in this XFX Black Edition 5870 as I'm looking to upgrade from my two XFX HD 4890 @ 1 ghz black edition cards. I see no reason to buy this card as the overclock is very weak and XFX offers no voltage control software.

I'm PRAYING that ATi releases a HD 5890 with a 384 bit interface, 1.5 gbytes of GDDR5 as well as a standard 1 ghz core clock as that would make for an awesome card to have (and crush Fermi) before they release their HD 6000 series.

XFX HD 5000 black edition cards have been pretty lame this time around
thehippoz 17th June 2010, 19:05 Quote
think the duct idea works well with the ref type coolers.. cause you get the low temps and the heat goes out the back

it only costs a couple of bucks at home depot
andrew8200m 17th June 2010, 19:10 Quote
Anologue parts... 4 phase? where 5 phase digital gone?? 2 words... CHEAP IMITATION!

Andy
Krayzie_B.o.n.e. 17th June 2010, 19:15 Quote
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Originally Posted by [USRF]Obiwan

Why don't the GPU chip makers not implement some energy saving measures. Like for example run at half speed, disable 70% of calculation cores etc. Or switch to onboard GPU and shutdown pci-e GPU when not in use.


This is a very good point as I wish windows would switch to my integrated video card when i'm not gaming to help save more juice. Some genius at some tech company (or some hacker) should make a program that does this.
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Originally Posted by bogie170
So what would you recommend as the best 5870 card for speed, quietness and price?

Asus, XFX, Powercolour?

I would go with ASUS as they have a well designed card with voltage tweak software allowing you to greatly surpass the 1 ghz threshold on an overclock. I've seen some HD 5870 at 1.2 ghz

If over voltage isn't your thing then go with Gigabyte as they make the best cards as they only use the best components and their cards all overclock very well but you won't see 1.2 ghz without an over volt.
Star*Dagger 17th June 2010, 19:58 Quote
Kind of surprised that nVidia hasn't gone into making gpus for toasters, considering their 2nd place showing in the last two years.
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