I don't understand what AMD is thinking. New gen mainstream parts shouldn't be out performed by last gen performance parts
they should have made it's performance equal to or a little better than the 4890.
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Originally Posted by rollo Amd / ati always better value in states. So in 1 year we gone 0 fps is a worry
Seems like 6 / 10 is bout right for the price it's started at.
Don't change your attitude about scoring Tim, even if I didn't agree would rather have what I viewed as honest opinion over catering to what might benifit Bit-tech exposure. And that route would only hurt in the long run. Course I'm just voicing what you already know.
I can't see where anything over performance of 4850's is revelant. To me that is an overpriced card as well. The 4870 still seems best bang for buck till prices come down. Then the power savings might have more revelance for the performance hit compared to the 4870. Course DX11 may change my opinion but that's future talk and always iffy ground with computer stuff.
Or even better; 5850/5870 prices come way down for us commoners.
Originally Posted by mi1ez They have however got the protected audio path and combined with their low noise and power could be good for a HTPC that does the odd bit of gaming.
Yep, no denying that... as an HTPC card, it's likely going to be pretty good, but why wouldn't you just opt for the 5750 instead if you're only going to do 'a bit' of gaming? :)
you save electric bill. Yippee. ( mine isnt above £30 a month).
truthfully if electric is a big problem you wouldnt leave a pc on all day and every day. Things get turned off for a reason.
This card is just plain old suck, direct x 11 we have seen nothing off. But its gonna give 10 fps. And dont most of the new features require a fair bit of grunt to go with them. Which this card doesnt have. ( im no nvidia fan, Never owned there cards in a while) So its either £300 or £90 as the market stands. Thats some massive price gaps between cards.
Wow, it's like bit-tech is reading my mind. i ttoaly agree with the RAM bottleneck, the gap between 5770 and 5850 being too big and the 5770 being at least okay, if the price is right. The problem is that i need a new graphics card, since my 7900 GTO is SERIOUSLY running out of steam on my 24''. The 5770, at least with the rumoured 192 bit bus, seemed a really nice choice. But now it's not such a good idea. A 5850 is more or less out of the question since then i'd also need a new PSU (i have a 420 W Tagan with no PCIe plugs) and prolly a completely new PC (E6750 with 2 GB of DDR2 RAM). What to do, what to do...
Nice article as usual. Looks like a similar situation as with the 4770. By the time stock turned up, the 4850 was just as cheap and better value for money. Still, i would expect to see this retailing for around £90-£95 in a month or so.
What I got from this review is that its a less power demanding 4850 with a bit more performance. I think the rating is fair as its pretty much a 4850 with DX11 capabilities.
it might be a nice idea to put the price of each card next to the card's name in the benchmark results so we can see if there's much point paying much more or if a cheaper card outperforms a pricier one etc
This doesn't look like a bad choice for me. I'm looking for an inexpensive upgrade to my 8800GT (and damn do these latest benchmarks make my 8800 look like a dinosaur). This thing blows the 8800 GT out of the water in every test. Another kicker for me is the inclusion of an HDMI port. With no idea when nVidia can compete with AMD at this price range any time soon, and not wanting to spend 3x as much on the next step up from AMD, and my desire for HDMI so I can use it on my TV, this seems like the choice for me.
I just can't look at VGA. It's awful. I've tried with this card, and the image quality is crap. If someone can find me a 216 or something comparable price wise with an HDMI port maybe I'll think about passing over the 5770. Actually while I'm on the topic, has anyone tried one of those DVI to HDMI converters? If so, how did it look?
I feel AMD has hit a walk off home run with their new 5000 line up. I'm looking at the performance gains and energy and heat loses and this is so amazing to me. More power using less energy at load and idle all the while producing less heat. Amazing!
$379 for a card that kills a $500 card
$259 for a card that kills a $360 card
ok too expensive well pop in a 5770 now.... save up some more money and pop in another 5770 later.
I'm foaming at the mouth to see these (5770) in crossfire. I don't understand how Bit-tech doesn't see AMD strategy with this new release. Or giving these cards a (6) for that matter. Just like 4770 the 5770 will sell in two's right off the shelves.
My only concern is how well these cards perform once a well developed Directx 11 game hits shelves. And why is this forum so concentrated on price and not power to energy usage, or the lack of heat these cards are given off?
Nvidia is taking way too long and I'm trying to save on my electric bill right now. Way to go AMD/ATI and bit-tech for this review.
That's a good point. The power to energy consumption, size of the card, low heat production, and price/performance all seem very good. I think the 7 rating for performance is fair. I'd like to see how it OC's.
Actually Krayzie has a point, these cards have such low power consumption that a crossfire setup seems like a good idea. At any rate though, the bus is the biggest limiter.
Anyone want to bet that they'll shoot out a HD5830 or a 5780 with a 192-bit bus?
Originally Posted by Krayzie_B.o.n.e. I'm foaming at the mouth to see these (5770) in crossfire. I don't understand how Bit-tech doesn't see AMD strategy with this new release. Or giving these cards a (6) for that matter. Just like 4770 the 5770 will sell in two's right off the shelves.
My only concern is how well these cards perform once a well developed Directx 11 game hits shelves. And why is this forum so concentrated on price and not power to energy usage, or the lack of heat these cards are given off?
I do see AMD's strategy, but the 5770 is far too expensive in the UK. We're being asked to pay more than what we paid a year ago for the 4850, while not getting a great deal more in terms of performance. Power consumption and heat are all well and good, but this card should really be performing close to the 4890 at its current price... then you'd actually start saving a decent amount of money on energy over the expected 1 to 2 year lifespan. Price/performance, energy consumption and heat are all important, but for gamers I believe it's in the order I've listed (at least, that's how we, as gamers ourselves, consider a graphics card).
The 4770 was a great card because it hit a crucial price point - the problem was nobody could buy it because of the yield issues. AMD also released a reference card that was quite different to the cards being sold at retail, which misled customers a little due to the reviews being completed with cards using a more robust design. It was about £80 in the UK when it launched. This card is another 30-40% more than that - it's in a different price league. It's in the same one that the 4850 was a year ago.
This card is just plain old suck, direct x 11 we have seen nothing off. But its gonna give 10 fps. And dont most of the new features require a fair bit of grunt to go with them. Which this card doesnt have. ( im no nvidia fan, Never owned there cards in a while) So its either £300 or £90 as the market stands. Thats some massive price gaps between cards.
Perhaps Tim or another informed individual can help me out in picking a card...
I have a 7800GT and it's really starting to show it's age in the newest crop of games. So I'm looking for and upgrade now. My monitor can display up to 1650x1080 and that's not going to change anytime soon. I live in the US, and I would really like to spend less that $200. The lowest price I could find for the 5770 was $176.42 from Amazon. Newegg had it for $159.99 but with shipping to me it would be about $180.
Would this card be a good deal for me? I kind of want something at least by Nov, because a few games I really want will be coming out by then. I know that some other cards (GTX 260, HD 4890) are out there, though they are more expensive, but I am exited about the 5770's dx11 support. I was thinking that I could use this card for at least the next few years without feeling like I need an upgrade.
What do you guys think. I feel like I'm missing something.
Originally Posted by Fiercedeity Perhaps Tim or another informed individual can help me out in picking a card...
I have a 7800GT and it's really starting to show it's age in the newest crop of games. So I'm looking for and upgrade now. My monitor can display up to 1650x1080 and that's not going to change anytime soon. I live in the US, and I would really like to spend less that $200. The lowest price I could find for the 5770 was $176.42 from Amazon. Newegg had it for $159.99 but with shipping to me it would be about $180.
Would this card be a good deal for me? I kind of want something at least by Nov, because a few games I really want will be coming out by then. I know that some other cards (GTX 260, HD 4890) are out there, though they are more expensive, but I am exited about the 5770's dx11 support. I was thinking that I could use this card for at least the next few years without feeling like I need an upgrade.
What do you guys think. I feel like I'm missing something.
Honestly, I would hang on for the next couple of weeks because I think prices will settle down a bit after everything has settled down a bit. Our conclusions have focused very much on the UK pricing we were given and as stated earlier in the thread, the 5770 is a better option in the US because pricing is much keener. The 5770 has every chance of becoming a good buy in both markets (at $160US + tax or £110 inc VAT, it's approaching that) - I think the pricing needs to settle down a bit because, right now, it's too early to be 100 per cent sure.
In fact, we don't doubt that it'll eventually make its way into our monthly buyer's guides. The reason it has the chance to do that is because there's a lot that the 5770 gets right: power consumption, noise and heat are all excellent, as are many of the other features (explaining the 9/10 features score). Gaming performance isn't bad either, frankly, which is why we gave it a 7/10 for performance.
Support for DX11 is good too, even though I'm still not convinced that it'll be relevant on a card like this in the next 12-18 months (it's a looking glass, but it is something to think about) because the performance isn't quite as high as we'd hoped. What I'm least convinced about on a card of this calibre though is support for EyeFinity - I can't see it being useful on this card, but I can at the higher end. We'll have a proper look at EyeFinity on the 5870/5850 very soon.
Thank you Tim for taking the time to post your evaluation. I think I will bite the bullet and hold off on buying a card for now. I want to see how the prices shake out in the next few months, and how Nvidia responds to this. Maybe they'll pull something out of their hat. But if not, a few extra months will maybe allow me save up for a higher end card like the 5850, which I think is powerful enough to remain relevant when the real DX11 games start coming out. My goal is really to pick a card that will last a long time. After thinking about it, going cheap now probably won't work out too well long term. We'll see how the market shakes out, I guess.
That, and my car service light came on this morning, of all times. Looks like my money is going elsewhere, lol.
No problem! The 5850 is the gem of the 5000 series at the moment because it gets the balance right and isn't that far away from the realms of affordability (based on what we know Bit's readers spend, on average, on a graphics card each year) :)
Originally Posted by Fiercedeity Perhaps Tim or another informed individual can help me out in picking a card...
I have a 7800GT and it's really starting to show it's age in the newest crop of games. So I'm looking for and upgrade now. My monitor can display up to 1650x1080 and that's not going to change anytime soon. I live in the US, and I would really like to spend less that $200. The lowest price I could find for the 5770 was $176.42 from Amazon. Newegg had it for $159.99 but with shipping to me it would be about $180.
Would this card be a good deal for me? I kind of want something at least by Nov, because a few games I really want will be coming out by then. I know that some other cards (GTX 260, HD 4890) are out there, though they are more expensive, but I am exited about the 5770's dx11 support. I was thinking that I could use this card for at least the next few years without feeling like I need an upgrade.
What do you guys think. I feel like I'm missing something.
That sucks about your engine light but until you see smoke or hear a funny noise don't worry about it (mine has been on for over 100,000 miles)
Anyway in my opinion my HD 4890 is awsome and I want to crossfire it with the rapidly dropping prices but after looking at the energy consumption (or lack of) and the little heat the Hd 5000 series produces it doesn't make sense for me to buy another.
My rig is always on so I need the energy savings. to replace your 7800 gt for the short term i would buy a used 260 or 275 or if you like ATI i would buy a used HD 4890. you should be able to get one of those for no more than $150. Long term wait till holiday shopping season when the prices come down on Amd Hd 5000 series. If your waiting for Nvidia I cant possible believe their prices will be lower but if they are more power to them. anyway from a 7800 to whatever i just mentioned will be a huge jump in power and performance. I just hope you got a ride to the store lol
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Replythey should have made it's performance equal to or a little better than the 4890.
what?
Don't change your attitude about scoring Tim, even if I didn't agree would rather have what I viewed as honest opinion over catering to what might benifit Bit-tech exposure. And that route would only hurt in the long run. Course I'm just voicing what you already know.
I can't see where anything over performance of 4850's is revelant. To me that is an overpriced card as well. The 4870 still seems best bang for buck till prices come down. Then the power savings might have more revelance for the performance hit compared to the 4870. Course DX11 may change my opinion but that's future talk and always iffy ground with computer stuff.
Or even better; 5850/5870 prices come way down for us commoners.
I liked it...
Because Scan love to rip-off people on pre-order prices.
My comment was directed at both cards!
truthfully if electric is a big problem you wouldnt leave a pc on all day and every day. Things get turned off for a reason.
This card is just plain old suck, direct x 11 we have seen nothing off. But its gonna give 10 fps. And dont most of the new features require a fair bit of grunt to go with them. Which this card doesnt have. ( im no nvidia fan, Never owned there cards in a while) So its either £300 or £90 as the market stands. Thats some massive price gaps between cards.
Seems we were spoilt by the 4xxx series.
I just can't look at VGA. It's awful. I've tried with this card, and the image quality is crap. If someone can find me a 216 or something comparable price wise with an HDMI port maybe I'll think about passing over the 5770. Actually while I'm on the topic, has anyone tried one of those DVI to HDMI converters? If so, how did it look?
$379 for a card that kills a $500 card
$259 for a card that kills a $360 card
ok too expensive well pop in a 5770 now.... save up some more money and pop in another 5770 later.
I'm foaming at the mouth to see these (5770) in crossfire. I don't understand how Bit-tech doesn't see AMD strategy with this new release. Or giving these cards a (6) for that matter. Just like 4770 the 5770 will sell in two's right off the shelves.
My only concern is how well these cards perform once a well developed Directx 11 game hits shelves. And why is this forum so concentrated on price and not power to energy usage, or the lack of heat these cards are given off?
Nvidia is taking way too long and I'm trying to save on my electric bill right now. Way to go AMD/ATI and bit-tech for this review.
Anyone want to bet that they'll shoot out a HD5830 or a 5780 with a 192-bit bus?
I do see AMD's strategy, but the 5770 is far too expensive in the UK. We're being asked to pay more than what we paid a year ago for the 4850, while not getting a great deal more in terms of performance. Power consumption and heat are all well and good, but this card should really be performing close to the 4890 at its current price... then you'd actually start saving a decent amount of money on energy over the expected 1 to 2 year lifespan. Price/performance, energy consumption and heat are all important, but for gamers I believe it's in the order I've listed (at least, that's how we, as gamers ourselves, consider a graphics card).
The 4770 was a great card because it hit a crucial price point - the problem was nobody could buy it because of the yield issues. AMD also released a reference card that was quite different to the cards being sold at retail, which misled customers a little due to the reviews being completed with cards using a more robust design. It was about £80 in the UK when it launched. This card is another 30-40% more than that - it's in a different price league. It's in the same one that the 4850 was a year ago.
Um, HD5850 for £200....?
I have a 7800GT and it's really starting to show it's age in the newest crop of games. So I'm looking for and upgrade now. My monitor can display up to 1650x1080 and that's not going to change anytime soon. I live in the US, and I would really like to spend less that $200. The lowest price I could find for the 5770 was $176.42 from Amazon. Newegg had it for $159.99 but with shipping to me it would be about $180.
Would this card be a good deal for me? I kind of want something at least by Nov, because a few games I really want will be coming out by then. I know that some other cards (GTX 260, HD 4890) are out there, though they are more expensive, but I am exited about the 5770's dx11 support. I was thinking that I could use this card for at least the next few years without feeling like I need an upgrade.
What do you guys think. I feel like I'm missing something.
Honestly, I would hang on for the next couple of weeks because I think prices will settle down a bit after everything has settled down a bit. Our conclusions have focused very much on the UK pricing we were given and as stated earlier in the thread, the 5770 is a better option in the US because pricing is much keener. The 5770 has every chance of becoming a good buy in both markets (at $160US + tax or £110 inc VAT, it's approaching that) - I think the pricing needs to settle down a bit because, right now, it's too early to be 100 per cent sure.
In fact, we don't doubt that it'll eventually make its way into our monthly buyer's guides. The reason it has the chance to do that is because there's a lot that the 5770 gets right: power consumption, noise and heat are all excellent, as are many of the other features (explaining the 9/10 features score). Gaming performance isn't bad either, frankly, which is why we gave it a 7/10 for performance.
Support for DX11 is good too, even though I'm still not convinced that it'll be relevant on a card like this in the next 12-18 months (it's a looking glass, but it is something to think about) because the performance isn't quite as high as we'd hoped. What I'm least convinced about on a card of this calibre though is support for EyeFinity - I can't see it being useful on this card, but I can at the higher end. We'll have a proper look at EyeFinity on the 5870/5850 very soon.
That, and my car service light came on this morning, of all times. Looks like my money is going elsewhere, lol.
That sucks about your engine light but until you see smoke or hear a funny noise don't worry about it (mine has been on for over 100,000 miles)
Anyway in my opinion my HD 4890 is awsome and I want to crossfire it with the rapidly dropping prices but after looking at the energy consumption (or lack of) and the little heat the Hd 5000 series produces it doesn't make sense for me to buy another.
My rig is always on so I need the energy savings. to replace your 7800 gt for the short term i would buy a used 260 or 275 or if you like ATI i would buy a used HD 4890. you should be able to get one of those for no more than $150. Long term wait till holiday shopping season when the prices come down on Amd Hd 5000 series. If your waiting for Nvidia I cant possible believe their prices will be lower but if they are more power to them. anyway from a 7800 to whatever i just mentioned will be a huge jump in power and performance. I just hope you got a ride to the store lol
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