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Sapphire ATI Radeon HD 4870 1GB Toxic

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Jack_Pepsi 23rd February 2009, 12:17 Quote
Wonder if the 9.2's would make a difference.
Tim S 23rd February 2009, 12:20 Quote
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Originally Posted by Jack_Pepsi
Wonder if the 9.2's would make a difference.

Updating our test suites with new game releases, a Folding benchmark and new drivers is what I'm going to be working on over the next few weeks.
SiliconDoc 23rd February 2009, 14:22 Quote
Looks like the GTX260 is still the way to go. Great minimum framerates, excellent averages, even beats the power hogging toxic half the time - and is often much less expensive, has cuda prowess, folding advantages, game configurable drivers by default, PhysX capability with easy on off for games, and tremendous sli scaliing.
Every time I look at the reviews, the GTX260 looks better.
Just the right amount of power where the non extreme no 30" 2560x monitor ggames needs to be - with plenty of headroom.
I'll never understand why people buy the ATI card. Of course, ATI lost another near billion for AMD who had to "chargedown" the loss, again - so maybe people don't buy it.
Toka 23rd February 2009, 14:47 Quote
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Originally Posted by Tim S
Updating our test suites with new game releases, a Folding benchmark and new drivers is what I'm going to be working on over the next few weeks.

I love you Timmy, I just want you to know that.
DorkSterr 23rd February 2009, 15:04 Quote
Damn... 4870X2 is sucking now a days, it makes me think twice about getting it instead of Crossfire 4870's.
Goty 23rd February 2009, 16:32 Quote
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Originally Posted by SiliconDoc
Looks like the GTX260 is still the way to go. Great minimum framerates, excellent averages, even beats the power hogging toxic half the time - and is often much less expensive, has cuda prowess, folding advantages, game configurable drivers by default, PhysX capability with easy on off for games, and tremendous sli scaliing.
Every time I look at the reviews, the GTX260 looks better.
Just the right amount of power where the non extreme no 30" 2560x monitor ggames needs to be - with plenty of headroom.
I'll never understand why people buy the ATI card. Of course, ATI lost another near billion for AMD who had to "chargedown" the loss, again - so maybe people don't buy it.

So what you're saying is that you didn't even read the article, right? The 4870 has higher average and minimum framerates in nearly every single case outside of Crysis (in which neither card is really playable anyhow) and CoD. I also fail to see how the 260-216 beats the 4870 "half the time". If you think that's the case, I suggest you go back and retake some basic math, you need some help on those fractions.

You mention CUDA and PhysX, but how many applications can you name that you USE that actually take advantage of either? The only one I can think of is Mirror's Edge. That's not exactly a killer app.

As for SLI scaling, it only does you limited good when you're behind in performance to begin with. There's also the fact that there are many instances in which crossfire scales better than SLI, as well. Overall, scaling itself is a wash.

Anyhow, please take you uninformed fanboyism elsewhere.
Jack_Pepsi 23rd February 2009, 17:06 Quote
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Originally Posted by Tim S
Updating our test suites with new game releases, a Folding benchmark and new drivers is what I'm going to be working on over the next few weeks.

Excellent!

Will we see another graphics card round up or just re-reviews of the most recent cards (reviewed)?

Great stuff Tim (and all)!
rpsgc 23rd February 2009, 18:12 Quote
Patiently waiting for the updated reviews with the 9.2 drivers.
Tim S 23rd February 2009, 18:51 Quote
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Originally Posted by Jack_Pepsi
Excellent!

Will we see another graphics card round up or just re-reviews of the most recent cards (reviewed)?

Great stuff Tim (and all)!

It'll be a round up similar to the Core i7 one just before Christmas. :)
Nicb 23rd February 2009, 19:26 Quote
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Originally Posted by Goty
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Originally Posted by SiliconDoc
Looks like the GTX260 is still the way to go. Great minimum framerates, excellent averages, even beats the power hogging toxic half the time - and is often much less expensive, has cuda prowess, folding advantages, game configurable drivers by default, PhysX capability with easy on off for games, and tremendous sli scaliing.
Every time I look at the reviews, the GTX260 looks better.
Just the right amount of power where the non extreme no 30" 2560x monitor ggames needs to be - with plenty of headroom.
I'll never understand why people buy the ATI card. Of course, ATI lost another near billion for AMD who had to "chargedown" the loss, again - so maybe people don't buy it.

So what you're saying is that you didn't even read the article, right? The 4870 has higher average and minimum framerates in nearly every single case outside of Crysis (in which neither card is really playable anyhow) and CoD. I also fail to see how the 260-216 beats the 4870 "half the time". If you think that's the case, I suggest you go back and retake some basic math, you need some help on those fractions.

You mention CUDA and PhysX, but how many applications can you name that you USE that actually take advantage of either? The only one I can think of is Mirror's Edge. That's not exactly a killer app.

As for SLI scaling, it only does you limited good when you're behind in performance to begin with. There's also the fact that there are many instances in which crossfire scales better than SLI, as well. Overall, scaling itself is a wash.

Anyhow, please take you uninformed fanboyism elsewhere.

I come to this website almost daily because of the like minded well informed members. It's a relief from the misleading info and comments out there. I learn a lot and hopefully can contribute.
I agree with correcting people and putting them in check if need be......... but a little harsh don't you think. I did laugh thou!

SiliconDoc is wrong and full of cliche talk, but he looks like hes trying. He should keep coming to this site and read ALL the articles he can top to bottom.
This card is beautiful! I hate to say I'm influenced so much by the look.....
I'm a ATI (Older PCs) and Nivdia (New PC) owner and Steam/Valve player. My faith is in Nvidia to keep the competitiveness if not lead. I love this card though. Maybe one day I can have two updated computers, AMD/ATI and Intel/Nivdia and not worry about what side I should be on.
Gremlin 23rd February 2009, 19:39 Quote
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Originally Posted by Tim S
It'll be a round up similar to the Core i7 one just before Christmas. :)

Please tell me this time you'll throw a 4850 and 4830 in there at least? im sure plenty of people with tight budgets thanks to the current climate would find it very useful with the price of cards growing again
Tim S 23rd February 2009, 21:08 Quote
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Originally Posted by Tim S
It'll be a round up similar to the Core i7 one just before Christmas. :)

Please tell me this time you'll throw a 4850 and 4830 in there at least? im sure plenty of people with tight budgets thanks to the current climate would find it very useful with the price of cards growing again

It'll probably mean dropping some of the higher-end CrossFire/SLI configs, but who really cares about those any way?
yanglu 23rd February 2009, 22:46 Quote
Powercolor do a custom cooled overclocked 1GB 4870 on Novatech for £170.19! http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/specpage.html?POW-48701
Now I'm sure that puts it ahead of the GTX260 in terms or price performance ratio!
CowBlazed 24th February 2009, 00:47 Quote
I wouldn't mind seeing the Powercolor compared against other 4870 cooling solutions, it looks good with heatpips as well but apparently its no better then reference.
[USRF]Obiwan 24th February 2009, 11:33 Quote
Can you please (in upcoming tests) throw in a 'older' card, like a GT8800 or something. I want to know how these cards are up against the newer cards because sometimes i got the feeling that its just a few % increase in performance compared to the old.
Gremlin 24th February 2009, 12:16 Quote
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Originally Posted by Tim S
It'll probably mean dropping some of the higher-end CrossFire/SLI configs, but who really cares about those any way?

higher end crossfire and SLI is nice but with the power of the cards today the only reason you need to crossfire or SLI is because your running an uber high res screen like a 30" or because your wanting to max out horribly optimized games like Crysis or GTA IV etc since most games handle just fine with a single 4870 1gb etc at the most common screen sizes (22-24")

were in the position now thankfully where even a cheap card can really hold its own in performance terms which is bloody awesome

but if you really wanted to mess with crossfire/SLI it'd be a pretty cool article idea to test out some of the lower end cards (sub say $150ish USD) in SLI and crossfire and compare the performance/price ratio they have compared to the more expensive high end cards to work out whats better value, i think it'd be a pretty unique idea to run with and one a lot of people would find interesting
Bauul 24th February 2009, 12:39 Quote
There might be some sense in actually finding out which graphics cards people are buying, and base your benchmarks around them. If SLI/Crossfire accounts for 0.01% of the market, it's agruably not worth including in the benchmarks. Have a word with Dennis, they might have access to sales data for graphics cards...
xaser04 24th February 2009, 12:51 Quote
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Originally Posted by Tim S
It'll probably mean dropping some of the higher-end CrossFire/SLI configs, but who really cares about those any way?

Just drop the CF 4870 setup as to be honest the HD4870X2 is representative of that level of performance anyway.

I wouldn't mind the inclusion of CF HD4850 though as I am unsure how the HD4850X2 directly compares as its more of a dark horse among the cards.
azrael- 11th March 2009, 12:40 Quote
I've recently been wondering, which HD4870 1GB model would be the better buy, the Gainward HD4870 GS 1GB or this Sapphire HD4870 Toxic 1GB. The Gainward apparently draws a bit less power, but which of the two is the quietest (very important in my book)?
stonedsurd 11th March 2009, 12:48 Quote
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Originally Posted by From the article
The cooler on the Sapphire ATI Radeon HD 4870 1GB Toxic unfortunately isn't a single-slot model, but it's still one of the quietest graphics card coolers we've tested to date – and it was incredibly efficient as well. Even when the card is fully loaded, there's no sign of it ever approaching the levels of annoyance we were subjected to with Sapphire's Radeon HD 4850 X2 – it's exactly what the doctor ordered.
I think you'd be better off with this one
azrael- 11th March 2009, 12:52 Quote
Yeah, but the Gainward HD4870 GS 1GB is supposed to be very quiet as well (the initial 512MB version isn't). And with bit-tech having tested both cards someone in the office should be able to tell which one is the quietest. :)
Tim S 11th March 2009, 14:02 Quote
I'd get the Sapphire if I was spending my own money, but the heatpipe does make the card a couple of centimetres taller than a standard graphics card.
azrael- 11th March 2009, 14:43 Quote
Thanks a lot for the info, Tim! Much appreciated! :)

Off the top of your head, would you say it fits in an Antec P182 case?
SiliconDoc 16th March 2009, 16:35 Quote
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Originally Posted by Goty
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Originally Posted by SiliconDoc
Looks like the GTX260 is still the way to go. Great minimum framerates, excellent averages, even beats the power hogging toxic half the time - and is often much less expensive, has cuda prowess, folding advantages, game configurable drivers by default, PhysX capability with easy on off for games, and tremendous sli scaliing.
Every time I look at the reviews, the GTX260 looks better.
Just the right amount of power where the non extreme no 30" 2560x monitor ggames needs to be - with plenty of headroom.
I'll never understand why people buy the ATI card. Of course, ATI lost another near billion for AMD who had to "chargedown" the loss, again - so maybe people don't buy it.

So what you're saying is that you didn't even read the article, right? The 4870 has higher average and minimum framerates in nearly every single case outside of Crysis (in which neither card is really playable anyhow) and CoD. I also fail to see how the 260-216 beats the 4870 "half the time". If you think that's the case, I suggest you go back and retake some basic math, you need some help on those fractions.

You mention CUDA and PhysX, but how many applications can you name that you USE that actually take advantage of either? The only one I can think of is Mirror's Edge. That's not exactly a killer app.

As for SLI scaling, it only does you limited good when you're behind in performance to begin with. There's also the fact that there are many instances in which crossfire scales better than SLI, as well. Overall, scaling itself is a wash.

Anyhow, please take you uninformed fanboyism elsewhere.

Wow, take a look in the mirror fella. Here we have the best overclockable 1 gig 4870 this site has ever encountered, and of course you take THAT into account with a ZERO percentage ideal (for you red fanboi).
Let's take a review on the FASTEST overclocked GTX260 and compare to the vanilla 4870 JUST BE AS FAIR AS YOU ARE, YOU GOOFBALL.
Here comes the link, genius.
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2008/09/25/bfg-tech-geforce-gtx-260-ocx-maxcore/8
Awww, that's too bad, your little fantasy is exploded all over the link, and it's from this website where your smarmy smart aleck red rooster fanboi mouth yaps up LIES.
Try harder next time, red boy. YOU LOSE.
[USRF]Obiwan 17th March 2009, 09:15 Quote
* Me takes comfi chair, bowl of popcorn & drinks and watches the rants...

anyway. I love Cuda with TMPGEnc 4.0 Xpress for converting my Sony HD stuff a lot faster then the quad cpu in my movie editing pc. And afcourse CoreAVC ;)
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