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First Look: ATI Radeon HD 3450, 3470 & 3650

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Mankz 23rd January 2008, 15:33 Quote
Wow. All those cards look small! (PCB wise)

Look like they are all gunning for HTPC or simple desktop use.
naokaji 23rd January 2008, 15:55 Quote
displayport and hdmi are still a big lie. only one of the cards pictured has one of those fancy nextgen connectors....
Tim S 23rd January 2008, 15:56 Quote
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Originally Posted by naokaji
displayport and hdmi are still a big lie. only one of the cards pictured has one of those fancy nextgen connectors....

HDMI is supported through a dongle that is supplied in the box and DisplayPort is added on a per-SKU basis (because of its lack of prominence in the market at the moment) - I'm pretty sure I mentioned both in the article.
naokaji 23rd January 2008, 15:59 Quote
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Originally Posted by Tim S
HDMI is supported through a dongle that is supplied in the box and DisplayPort is added on a per-SKU basis (because of its lack of prominence in the market at the moment) - I'm pretty sure I mentioned both in the article.

true,

but after all that marketing hype surrounding both connectors i was expecting a far more aggressive approach to get them implemented straight on the back of the cards.
Tim S 23rd January 2008, 16:03 Quote
sure, but then what happens when someone with a DVI display wants to connect their monitor? Most people have DVI monitors, so it makes sense to keep dual DVI for the time being on the 3650 and DVI/VGA on the lower-end cards because they're taylored more to the value segment. That said, I want to see VGA disappear of these cards and be replaced by either HDMI or DisplayPort.
Lukeatluke 23rd January 2008, 16:20 Quote
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Originally Posted by Tim S
sure, but then what happens when someone with a DVI display wants to connect their monitor? Most people have DVI monitors, so it makes sense to keep dual DVI for the time being on the 3650 and DVI/VGA on the lower-end cards because they're taylored more to the value segment. That said, I want to see VGA disappear of these cards and be replaced by either HDMI or DisplayPort.

VGA will disappear soon, DVItoVGA connector are available but for the fact more than 95% people are using DVI and VGA displays B)
p3n 23rd January 2008, 16:26 Quote
95% of statistics are made up on the spot :p
Tyinsar 23rd January 2008, 16:44 Quote
What I wanted to see was details on the 3870 X2, Tomshardware (I only check it once every couple of weeks) had an article on it and I got to page 5 (of 19) before they pulled it - the title looked promising though.
Tim S 23rd January 2008, 17:00 Quote
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Originally Posted by Tyinsar
What I wanted to see was details on the 3870 X2, Tomshardware (I only check it once every couple of weeks) had an article on it and I got to page 5 (of 19) before they pulled it - the title looked promising though.

Yes - it's big and red. ;)
Tyinsar 23rd January 2008, 17:28 Quote
Cryptic eh? When might that be announced? Or would the NDA not allow you to disclose that? What does the average NDA allow & disallow? - Can you say: if you're under NDA, what you're under NDA for, when the NDA comes off, ...?
yakyb 23rd January 2008, 17:38 Quote
there is a chinese review out on xtremesystems somewhere that shows it outperforms the ultra in everything bar crysis (badly optimised for xfire apparently)
naokaji 23rd January 2008, 17:39 Quote
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Cryptic eh? When might that be announced? Or would the NDA not allow you to disclose that? What does the average NDA allow & disallow? - Can you say: if you're under NDA, what you're under NDA for, when the NDA comes off, ...?

heavily depends on the nda... some nda's even forbid you to mention the existance of the nda, while others say you can only publish preaproved info, some say only pictures no benches or whatever the marketing department of a company comes up with.

I'm pretty sure that it would be possible to have a dvi and both hdmi and displayport connector on the back of a single slot card.
completemadness 23rd January 2008, 18:11 Quote
why do all the slides say "confidential" :o
Tim S 23rd January 2008, 18:13 Quote
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why do all the slides say "confidential" :o

Because they were confidential until AMD removed the embargo today. :)
Amon 23rd January 2008, 18:43 Quote
These will work nicely in laptops for sure. Great bargain, too!
wuyanxu 23rd January 2008, 18:46 Quote
not sure about GDDR2 with 512MB of vRAM..........

but i want to see how well it performs for price/performance with 9600GT, i need a backup PCIe card, hoping to get a PCIe2.0 card before 9800GTX comes out, so i won't loose so much money. and pricing at £50, looks just to be the perfect card to use as i stepping stone
tk421 23rd January 2008, 19:06 Quote
that half height 3450 with hdmi really screams "make the gx280 a media server" to me ...
Naberius 23rd January 2008, 20:26 Quote
I can understand the purpose of the 3450, it would make a great media centre card, but why the hell are they releasing three low end cards, its hardly like the 3850 and 3870 are top-end cards. They have absolutely nothing at the top end of the performance market.
Tyinsar 23rd January 2008, 21:38 Quote
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... its hardly like the 3850 and 3870 are top-end cards. They have absolutely nothing at the top end of the performance market.
Actually if it wasn't for the 8800GT the 3850 & 3870 would be the best price / performance cards - even now they could be, depending on cost, it's a close call.
oasked 23rd January 2008, 22:21 Quote
These had better be cheap. The nVidia 9600GT (according to reports) is almost as fast as a 8800GS. If that card is anything close to the price point of these cards, then for gaming there will be no competition at all.
tk421 23rd January 2008, 22:22 Quote
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Originally Posted by Tyinsar
Actually if it wasn't for the 8800GT the 3850 & 3870 would be the best price / performance cards - even now they could be, depending on cost, it's a close call.

i think of the 3850's and 3870 and want to compare them to the 9600 pro's ... great gaming cards for the price, but not too extravagant.

i ran a 9600 pro for 2 years before i felt the need to upgrade to my current x850 - and that is just now starting to feel crippled.
kempez 24th January 2008, 02:55 Quote
The HD3650 performs very well for the price. I have a Powercolor HD3650 Extreme PCS and it looks to be the low(ish) end card that may well sell quite a few. 512mb of DDR3 too :D
Cupboard 24th January 2008, 12:28 Quote
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Originally Posted by oasked
These had better be cheap. The nVidia 9600GT (according to reports) is almost as fast as a 8800GS. If that card is anything close to the price point of these cards, then for gaming there will be no competition at all.

Any chance of getting an 8800GS review?
Tim S 24th January 2008, 12:48 Quote
There is supposed to be one on the way (but I've been waiting for a couple of weeks for it now...)
Amon 25th January 2008, 01:56 Quote
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Originally Posted by tk421
i think of the 3850's and 3870 and want to compare them to the 9600 pro's ... great gaming cards for the price, but not too extravagant.

i ran a 9600 pro for 2 years before i felt the need to upgrade to my current x850 - and that is just now starting to feel crippled.
9600 SE here. And it's running great... (no exaggeration)
But, not to be rude, the 3870 and 3850 are far better value than even the notorious 9600 family.
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