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PowerColor Radeon X1950 Pro 256MB

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atanum141 30th October 2006, 14:29 Quote
Great article again Tim!
rupbert 30th October 2006, 15:39 Quote
Nice review.

Can anyone say where my X800 would fall in terms of performance? is the X19?? range literally twice as powerful?

thx,
DougEdey 30th October 2006, 15:42 Quote
Apparantly the X1600 series beats my standard X800PRO. I wanna find one in AGP.
BioSniper 30th October 2006, 15:53 Quote
I know the feeling Doug :(
What would be nice is if (although I know its not something bit normally does) you could perhaps do a mass card round up with similar systems to show those of us that are on older systems just how much of a performance boost newer low end cards have over our older high end cards :)

::edit:: Just browsing around for cards and overclockers are listing the x1950 as coming out in an AGP flavour! http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/ATI_AGP_Graphics_Cards.html
DougEdey 30th October 2006, 16:02 Quote
£190? Compared to £70 for a 256MB X1600? I know what I want.
rupbert 30th October 2006, 16:03 Quote
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I know the feeling Doug :(
What would be nice is if (although I know its not something bit normally does) you could perhaps do a mass card round up with similar systems to show those of us that are on older systems just how much of a performance boost newer low end cards have over our older high end cards :)

Great idea.

It's alright saying the X1950 gives an average of 59fps at 1280 x 1024 with 8xAA, but as an owner of an X800 who plays the same game at 1024 x 768 with 4xAA how do I know the value/performance of the X1950 as an upgrade?
Tim S 30th October 2006, 16:04 Quote
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Nice review.

Can anyone say where my X800 would fall in terms of performance? is the X19?? range literally twice as powerful?

thx,
I would say that Radeon X800 is about half the speed of Radeon X1900XT in graphics-limited titles. You're going to see bigger differences than that above 1600x1200, because I believe that Z-buffer was tuned for 1600x1200 in the X800 era, as 24" widescreen displays hadn't really taken off back then. :)

X1950 Pro will play just about every game out there at the moment at 1280x1024 with at least 2xAA, high details and incredibly smooth frame rates. The one exception is probably Oblivion, but that's a pretty hardcore title.
rupbert 30th October 2006, 16:11 Quote
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I would say that Radeon X800 is about half the speed of Radeon X1900XT in graphics-limited titles. You're going to see bigger differences than that above 1600x1200, because I believe that Z-buffer was tuned for 1600x1200 in the X800 era, as 24" widescreen displays hadn't really taken off back then. :)

Thanks for that Tim.

The question though, is it worth holding on for a DirectX10 card?
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X1950 Pro will play just about every game out there at the moment at 1280x1024 with at least 2xAA, high details and incredibly smooth frame rates. The one exception is probably Oblivion, but that's a pretty hardcore title.

That's pretty incredible considering the price.
Nature 30th October 2006, 16:21 Quote
FEAR is not a graphical intense Title anymore? I always thought it was not biass on GPU's like doom3 & Halfife were/are....
Tim S 30th October 2006, 17:31 Quote
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FEAR is not a graphical intense Title anymore? I always thought it was not biass on GPU's like doom3 & Halfife were/are....
It's not that popular anymore to be honest. We'll be making some updates to our testing scenarios very soon. :)
IanW 30th October 2006, 20:23 Quote
Powercolor also seem to be making an AGP version of this card.
Story from Inquirer here:- http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=35350

The Inq claims the card will retail at around $249, which Google tells me is just over 130ukp at today's rate.
Tim S 30th October 2006, 20:24 Quote
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Powercolor also seem to be making an AGP version of this card.
Story from Inquirer here:- http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=35350

The Inq claims the card will retail at around $249, which Google tells me is just over 130ukp at today's rate.
That'll be £130+VAT, so closer to £155. :)
specofdust 30th October 2006, 20:42 Quote
Another review of what looks like a very promising card. Shame the 1950 Pro's seem to be hitting shelves around the same time as the next gen cards are getting shown off/released. I'm curious if this is ATI's card to sell people who can't or won't buy R600/G80, or whether it's them hoping to get a few bucks outta the old tech before shipping the new stuff out and seeing prices on old stuff freefall.
IanW 31st October 2006, 06:41 Quote
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That'll be £130+VAT, so closer to £155. :)

Which (If memory serves) is about what I paid for my current 9600XT all those years ago.
rupbert 31st October 2006, 09:33 Quote
I know it's widening the scope, but it would be interesting to know roughly when DX10 cards are going to be available (even in limited numbers).

If they were to arrive around Q2 I think myself and a few others would consider buying a 'stop-gap' card, to bridge the holiday period. Anyone else in the same situation?
Tim S 31st October 2006, 09:38 Quote
The first (high-end) DX10 hardware will launch in a few weeks. I don't have any inside info on mainstream DX10 hardware yet, but I don't think we will see it until March.
BioSniper 31st October 2006, 10:08 Quote
Cheers for the info Tim ;)
However unless you REALLY want a DX10 card would it not be wise to wait till the second gen of them where developers are starting to really use the full set of extensions?
rupbert 31st October 2006, 10:15 Quote
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However unless you REALLY want a DX10 card would it not be wise to wait till the second gen of them where developers are starting to really use the full set of extensions?

That's a good point actually.

Is Crysis the only known confirmed game that will take advantage of DX10?

I'm I right in thinking Alan Wake and Half-Life:Episode 2 might also be?

It would be silly to buy a first generation DX10 card if there is only a couple of games actually using it, oh...does this mean I don't belong on bit-tech anymore? :D
Cthippo 31st October 2006, 10:25 Quote
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That's a good point actually.

Is Crysis the only known confirmed game that will take advantage of DX10?

I'm I right in thinking Alan Wake and Half-Life:Episode 2 might also be?

It would be silly to buy a first generation DX10 card if there is only a couple of games actually using it, oh...does this mean I don't belong on bit-tech anymore? :D

I can't speak for Alan Wake, but I'll bet HL2E2 will still be on the Source engine since re-writing it for DX10 would be a major pain in the arse. I don't think you'll see DX10 in HL until HL3 when they release a new engine.
Tim S 31st October 2006, 11:03 Quote
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I can't speak for Alan Wake, but I'll bet HL2E2 will still be on the Source engine since re-writing it for DX10 would be a major pain in the arse. I don't think you'll see DX10 in HL until HL3 when they release a new engine.
Alan Wake looks like a late '07 release. I'm not sure on specifics for Valve and DX10, but we're going to attempt to find out in the next couple of days. ;)
specofdust 31st October 2006, 11:13 Quote
Ah, so no smart(by smart I mean not stupidly expensive) DX10 cards 'till around march? That makes the reviewed card a great looking stop-gap, as rupbert suggests.
Tim S 31st October 2006, 11:16 Quote
yeah, I wouldn't spend much more than £150-160 on a stop gap though. :)
Iago 31st October 2006, 11:26 Quote
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Originally Posted by rupbert

It's alright saying the X1950 gives an average of 59fps at 1280 x 1024 with 8xAA, but as an owner of an X800 who plays the same game at 1024 x 768 with 4xAA how do I know the value/performance of the X1950 as an upgrade?
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yeah, I wouldn't spend much more than £150-160 on a stop gap though. :)

I wouldn't either, and I would wait at least two weeks. With luck, the G80 launch will push the prices of 7900s down. A 7900-7950GT, at that price would be a very nice upgrade over rupbert's x800.

On the other hand, if prices of 7900 do come down, I'd even think carefully of getting a 7900GTX. DX10 games are nowhere near (save perhaps, Crysis...and I have yet to see how much "DX10" is in there) and if rupbert's display is 1280 or 1024, a 7900GTX will chew through anything available for another 12-18 months at least.
rupbert 31st October 2006, 16:42 Quote
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I wouldn't either, and I would wait at least two weeks. With luck, the G80 launch will push the prices of 7900s down. A 7900-7950GT, at that price would be a very nice upgrade over rupbert's x800.

On the other hand, if prices of 7900 do come down, I'd even think carefully of getting a 7900GTX. DX10 games are nowhere near (save perhaps, Crysis...and I have yet to see how much "DX10" is in there) and if rupbert's display is 1280 or 1024, a 7900GTX will chew through anything available for another 12-18 months at least.

As you say a £150 7900GT would be a very nice card for the price. I assumed that the GTX version would maybe only offer a 5-10% increase in performance , for a relatively high price hike?

I think I will switch to a widescreen display when more games take advantage of them (without having to hack them).
Iago 2nd November 2006, 10:47 Quote
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As you say a £150 7900GT would be a very nice card for the price. I assumed that the GTX version would maybe only offer a 5-10% increase in performance , for a relatively high price hike?

I think I will switch to a widescreen display when more games take advantage of them (without having to hack them).

I don't know the exact numbers, but the GTX is noticeably faster and (even as important for me), much more silent. The GTs have whinny little LOUD fans. IIRC, the 7900 series fans, wouldn't even slow down when the card is in 2D mode. If you are going widescreen and intend to keep the card for some time (say, those 12-18 months I speak of) and once the 7900 come down in price, I'd certainly go for the GTX.

Alternatively, the x1900 series, IF you change the cooler (which is simply unbearable if you are half-sensible to noise), are absolutely great for widescreen gaming and are dropping in price very fast. I have a x1900XT (the first model, with 512Mb) with an Accelero X2 cooler and it chews through anything I throw at it at 1680x1050 (Dell 20' Widescreen). I can even play Oblivion with HDR+AA comfortably. And I don't know why, but people don't seem to want them...I went to a spanish hardware forum to see how much could I get for mine (with upgrading to a G80 in mind), and nobody offered more than 230€ (153 GBP)... when G80 arrives they are going to be dead cheap.
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