AFAIK when you select Performance Adaptive Anti-Aliasing, you have half the alpha texture samples than geometry samples, so if you choose 2xPA AA in F.E.A.R. you don't get any adaptive AA. You can check it with the program DX9FSAAViewer.
The only thing I don't like is the cooler is super loud. Also most of these guys are not selling nothing flashy, its like a reference card. No overclocked cards. They just slap on a sticker and sell it under there brand.
Originally Posted by otm3x I am just wondering what monitor are you guy running on a res. of 2048x1536
What CRT monitor do you use for your test system??
Thanks a lot
OTM3X
It's a 21" Samsung Syncmaster 1100W. Does 2048x1536 at 75Hz - pretty nice, but the apeture isn't quite as good as my Sony G400. :)
Originally Posted by Marquee The only thing I don't like is the cooler is super loud. Also most of these guys are not selling nothing flashy, its like a reference card. No overclocked cards. They just slap on a sticker and sell it under there brand.
These are very early cards, please bear that in mind. ATI is a lot stricter than NVIDIA when it comes to clock speeds, but I wouldn't be surprised to see overclocked cards and cards with different coolers soon. :)
Originally Posted by Kynes AFAIK when you select Performance Adaptive Anti-Aliasing, you have half the alpha texture samples than geometry samples, so if you choose 2xPA AA in F.E.A.R. you don't get any adaptive AA. You can check it with the program DX9FSAAViewer.
I'm pretty sure that there's a difference in performance and quality between 2xAA and 2xPA AA. That's why we've labelled it that way. :)
From what we were told and what we saw on the X1900 CrossFire edition, the XT has slower memory. However, we didn't pop the heatsink off the PowerColor card before/after overclocking the cards as we had a number of problems getting the cards to overclock consistently after our initial problems.
The clocks we reported are verified, so we're happy that it was consistently overclocking. Both myself and Wil achieved the same clockspeeds separately.
Anyway, in answer to your question: I'll have a look later and report back if I get the chance before I leave the office. If not it'll have to be Monday.
1.1ns - I wouldn't take that as a guaranteed 1.1ns though as it's all about supply and demand. It depends how much supply of 1.1ns memory there is and at what price too. :)
Are the core on the two different. Since its the same core there just bumping up the voltage so that XTX can reach higher clocks. That said what are the core temp at OC and before OC for both XTX and XT.
I'm just wondering about some of your results I have this spec:
CPU AMD X2 4400+ @ 2.8GHz
Motherboard DFI LANPARTY SLi-D
RAM 2 x 1gb Crucial Ballistix 1:1 @ 280 x 10: 3-3-3-8
Sapphire X1900XT-X
HDDOS: Maxtor 76gb 8mb Cache IDE
HDDGaming: 2 x Hitachi Deskstars in 74gb RAID 0 Array
CaseCoolermaster Stacker
PSU PCP&C 510 SLi
Sound Audigy ZS
OpticalSony DVD-ROM/CD-RW Combo Drive
With a Dell 2405FPW
I can play F.E.A.R. at 1920 x 1200 with 4 x TAA and 16 x HQAF with AAA enabled....amongst others. I'm not going to pretend I can do as good a job as you do in your reviews but Here are the results I obtained from the games and they are far higher. I do not include the FPS, but I know that they are excellent (from doing various tests) so I was wondering how you couldn't get the cards at higher res/settings than you did?
Hey, just a heads up, the Adobe Premiere Elements 2.0 and Photoshop Elements 4.0 aren't a generation old, they just got released in november I think which means that the next product release isn't due for a while.
Great comparsion btw, really enjoyed that.
Oh yeah, and you guys drive real slow, 8.5min for a world loop?
I'm just wondering about some of your results I have this spec:
CPU AMD X2 4400+ @ 2.8GHz
Motherboard DFI LANPARTY SLi-D
RAM 2 x 1gb Crucial Ballistix 1:1 @ 280 x 10: 3-3-3-8
Sapphire X1900XT-X
HDDOS: Maxtor 76gb 8mb Cache IDE
HDDGaming: 2 x Hitachi Deskstars in 74gb RAID 0 Array
CaseCoolermaster Stacker
PSU PCP&C 510 SLi
Sound Audigy ZS
OpticalSony DVD-ROM/CD-RW Combo Drive
With a Dell 2405FPW
I can play F.E.A.R. at 1920 x 1200 with 4 x TAA and 16 x HQAF with AAA enabled....amongst others. I'm not going to pretend I can do as good a job as you do in your reviews but Here are the results I obtained from the games and they are far higher. I do not include the FPS, but I know that they are excellent (from doing various tests) so I was wondering how you couldn't get the cards at higher res/settings than you did?
Thanks
I'm pleased that you can run your games higher than what we've said - I know that many people can, too. :)
The point of our reviews is that we take a 'worst case scenario' and I'd rather underestimate for everything rather than overestimate. If I was to over-estimate, I'd have people telling me that I'm wrong because there's too much lag. If you're happy with a little bit of lag, you're able to play the game with much higher settings than I've shown. ;)
The thing is, you know Bigz is consistent. If you can get higher fps than you can get higher fps. No two PCs will produce the same results otherwise the futuremark leauge would be very boring and predictable. No matter how the setup changes Bigz's interpretation of gameplay smoothness will remain the same. :)
Originally Posted by Bindibadgi The thing is, you know Bigz is consistent. If you can get higher fps than you can get higher fps. No two PCs will produce the same results otherwise the futuremark leauge would be very boring and predictable. No matter how the setup changes Bigz's interpretation of gameplay smoothness will remain the same. :)
Hi. Yes I can play the game at higher settings. No I don't get lag. In fact I hate lag. A lot. I tend to do the same thing as you and "play the games". Its most likely cause I clocked the card higher (they go to 690/800 no fuss) that I could play with no lag but meh - nvm ;)
I was just checking that you were underestimating as a lot of other sites have managed to get the cards to higher resolutions with no lag and seeing as Bit-Tech is one (if not the top) of the list of my trusted sites I just wanted an answer :)
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ReplyWhat CRT monitor do you use for your test system??
Thanks a lot
OTM3X
The clocks we reported are verified, so we're happy that it was consistently overclocking. Both myself and Wil achieved the same clockspeeds separately.
Anyway, in answer to your question: I'll have a look later and report back if I get the chance before I leave the office. If not it'll have to be Monday.
1.1ns - I wouldn't take that as a guaranteed 1.1ns though as it's all about supply and demand. It depends how much supply of 1.1ns memory there is and at what price too. :)
Are the cards packed up? If not any chance of info on comparative vGPU/vDD/vDDQ for the XT/XTX?
I'm just wondering about some of your results I have this spec:
CPU AMD X2 4400+ @ 2.8GHz
Motherboard DFI LANPARTY SLi-D
RAM 2 x 1gb Crucial Ballistix 1:1 @ 280 x 10: 3-3-3-8
Sapphire X1900XT-X
HDDOS: Maxtor 76gb 8mb Cache IDE
HDDGaming: 2 x Hitachi Deskstars in 74gb RAID 0 Array
CaseCoolermaster Stacker
PSU PCP&C 510 SLi
Sound Audigy ZS
OpticalSony DVD-ROM/CD-RW Combo Drive
With a Dell 2405FPW
I can play F.E.A.R. at 1920 x 1200 with 4 x TAA and 16 x HQAF with AAA enabled....amongst others. I'm not going to pretend I can do as good a job as you do in your reviews but Here are the results I obtained from the games and they are far higher. I do not include the FPS, but I know that they are excellent (from doing various tests) so I was wondering how you couldn't get the cards at higher res/settings than you did?
Thanks
Great comparsion btw, really enjoyed that.
Oh yeah, and you guys drive real slow, 8.5min for a world loop?
The point of our reviews is that we take a 'worst case scenario' and I'd rather underestimate for everything rather than overestimate. If I was to over-estimate, I'd have people telling me that I'm wrong because there's too much lag. If you're happy with a little bit of lag, you're able to play the game with much higher settings than I've shown. ;)
I was just checking that you were underestimating as a lot of other sites have managed to get the cards to higher resolutions with no lag and seeing as Bit-Tech is one (if not the top) of the list of my trusted sites I just wanted an answer :)
Ta
Since i haven't seen any sources telling me that it won't/will work, I'd like it if you could test that :)
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