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tank_rider 2nd February 2006, 21:30 Quote
I've just gone PCI-E to a Pixelview 7800GT and Abit AN8 SLI mobo, from my 6800LE and Epox agp setup. Even if i hadn't i wouldn't have spent my money on one of these cards as they must be significantly slower than a stock 7800GT considering the lower number of pipelines and the slower clocks. I'm another person who would like to see a comparison with a 6800GT and/or ultra to see what the actual gains are from this card, as they have the same pipe config, and similar clocks, would show the real benefits of the new architecture.
customh 2nd February 2006, 23:15 Quote
No dual DVI???what were they thinking
speedfreek 2nd February 2006, 23:22 Quote
Upgrading the whole system dosent appear practical to me right now, 939 has about 6 months more of being a worthwile upgrade. I plan on building a new system no sooner than october, more likely about this time next year, and to move to 939 now and get 2 7800gt's when the 7900's and the new socket are closer to release dosent make sense, or at least to me.

I have a perfectly fine system, if the video card isnt considered, that can play anything I want it to. I agree with firehed that agp and 754 are older but they shouldnt just be abandoned, it makes sense that one last card come out with the new features and it will satisfy most of us agp people untill upgrade time.
PhillyB 3rd February 2006, 00:47 Quote
i too would have liked to seen comparisons on the BFG 6800GT OC AGP card, as that is what i have now. im not spending lots of money on it, already planning an upgrade to conroe later this year with pcie graphics, but maybe i could find a real good deal on it, and sell the card i have. which is doubtful, id like a 7800GTX anyway, if they release that, id be awestruck.

i too wonder why no dual dvi. also my artic cooler wont fit. booooooo.

im sure ill sell them at work, if we ever get them in stock.
customh 3rd February 2006, 00:52 Quote
just a note that there hasnt been a GS card that had dual DVI, not meant totally for the power user maybe?
Ab$olut 3rd February 2006, 06:52 Quote
[QUOTE=speedfreek]Upgrading the whole system dosent appear practical to me right now, 939 has about 6 months more of being a worthwile upgrade. I plan on building a new system no sooner than october, more likely about this time next year, and to move to 939 now and get 2 7800gt's when the 7900's and the new socket are closer to release dosent make sense, or at least to me.

[QUOTE]

I think 939 has way more time left than that more like the same length as skt a
Tim S 3rd February 2006, 10:31 Quote
Unfortunately, we don't have any AGP GeForce 6800-series cards. :(
Montyburns 3rd February 2006, 12:26 Quote
I'm pretty sure that im not unique here.

I Have an i875p Bases system, 3ghz, gig of ram, bunch of drives, and a
9800pro. This system is more than capable, and handles everything thrown at it. Up until a few months ago that is.

This Christmas, I settled for COD2 in DX7 mode, which im sure resulted in me missing out on a **** load of visual goodies. Quake 4 is running at 1024 in medium, and BF2 is also on 1024 at medium.

What i'd really like to see, although i know it's unlikely, is a comparison between an older setup like mine, an AGP setup with this card, and an equivalent PCI express system, just to see what performance i could expect, and what im missing by not upgrading to to a PCIE based system.

With a setup like mine, upgrading obviously requires new CPU, GFX, MOBO and RAM. High end parts will likely set me back a grand, which means effectively im buying an entire new system. At the moment i dont know if its justified, just to be able to play new games at high details.
Iago 3rd February 2006, 13:04 Quote
Probably not very relevant but...
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The reason is this is that Intel AGP systems are Socket 478 / DDR based whereas Intel's PCI-Express platform is Socket 775 with DDR2. You can salvage your hard drive and optical drives but all major components must be replaced to migrate to PCI-Express.

As a matter of fact, there were (are?) some Socket 775 boards with AGP. I had a P4 with an ASUS P4P800 (IIRC) wich was 775 + AGP. And you can get this one:
http://es.asus.com/products3.aspx?l1=3&l2=11&l3=26&slname=Intel%20865PE today wich is too 775 + AGP.

I'm sure there'll be others...

So there are Intel users that can upgrade to PCI-E with just a motherboard change.

greetings
Sathy 3rd February 2006, 17:30 Quote
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As a matter of fact, there were (are?) some Socket 775 boards with AGP. I had a P4 with an ASUS P4P800 (IIRC) wich was 775 + AGP. And you can get this one:
http://es.asus.com/products3.aspx?l...e=Intel%20865PE today wich is too 775 + AGP.

Surely there are always other choises, but I think its safe to say that these boards aren't exactly the most popular choices for owners of a s775 P4. You're right but how many are there that use these....5? =]

And also, as far as I know, there aren't any s487 boards with pci-e either.
The_Pope 3rd February 2006, 17:41 Quote
I know it sounds kinda snobbish Mr Burns, but we just don't have the right gear to do a comparison like that. Of course, we would have loved to be able to bench against 9700 Pro or 9800 Pro - some of the most popular cards out there - but the reality is that we no longer have cards like that.

PCI-Express has been out for 18 months or more now so at some point, we dropped all our AGP test gear. Every new card was PCI-E so it made perfect sense. Until now.

Apparently loads of publications really struggled to source appropriate hardware to write about the 7800 GS AGP. In fact, our stock AGP motherboard died last week during setup for this article, so we had to borrow another AGP system just to run the benchmarks.

If loads of people are desperate to see 9800 Pro vs 7800 GS AGP, we'll see what we can do.
crayfish 3rd February 2006, 17:48 Quote
I'll save you the trouble. The 9800Pro will get pwned :D
CowBlazed 3rd February 2006, 23:08 Quote
How about this...

If you had $300 for a new video card with a current socket 939 AGP system, WHY would you buy a new motherboard for at least $70 and then get a crappier PCIe graphics card???

Your going to spend an extra $70 on the new motherboard just so you can say "look at me I'm PCIe , I'm ready for the FUTURE!" and your going to take apart the entire PC for the same reason?

So not only do you have a new mobo that does nothing new except PCIe instead of AGP (PCIe1x useless, integrated audio will be the same, SATA-2 is only for higher end board etc) but your graphics card would have to be a 6800 GS instead of a better performance 7800 GS just because you listened to the PCIe noobs out there that think its the greatest thing since sliced bread. Or any other cards of the same price.

Yea and when PCIe2 comes out, I'll be laughing in these same peoples faces who have to upgrade their mobo just for that so they can stay bleeding edge.


As far as your review, practically every other site has an X850 XT PE ahead of the 7800 GS, even when overclocked, and dont forget that an X850 XT PE can also be OCed, but not out of ther box. Not only did you guys only use an X850 XT, but an FX-51 socket 940 test system with registered memory, what the heck happened?
-EVRE- 4th February 2006, 01:41 Quote
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Originally Posted by CowBlazed
but your graphics card would have to be a 6800 GS instead of a better performance 7800 GS just because you listened to the PCIe noobs out there that think its the greatest thing since sliced bread. Or any other cards of the same price.

Yea and when PCIe2 comes out, I'll be laughing in these same peoples faces who have to upgrade their mobo just for that so they can stay bleeding edge.

ah but you are WRONG!
us PCIe noobs can SLI! when our 6800gs/gt/7800gt isnt cutting it any more we can buy another one and get up to 1.8x the performance!! and we didnt have to buy a new shiny expensive card to do it! thats the genious of buying an sli ready mobo and getting a nice cpu now :) cheaper upgrade!
HellRazor 4th February 2006, 15:08 Quote
my question would be if its using the same core, the G70 then is it possible to unlock the remaining pipes and vertex shaders? I did it with my 6800 and turned it into a 6800GT *granted only 128mb*, but I was rather curious on that point, especially since it doesn't overclock all that well.
Bilbo Fraggins 4th February 2006, 16:30 Quote
How does the 7800 Gs compare witha 6800 Ultra in the agp world..
Cheap Mod Wannabe 4th February 2006, 17:44 Quote
It's owning Bilbo...

Here's Tom Hardware's Test
CowBlazed 4th February 2006, 19:27 Quote
Except that SLI is hardly even worth it, your paying more for the motherboard and PSU, not to mention the extra heat and power consumption, for what, an extra 20% performance?

And how do you know the cards will still be around when you decide to upgrade? Just like a 6800 Ultra on AGP is practically impossible to find, and a 6800 GT AGP is in practically the same situation. You'll be lookin for a second 6800 GS PCIe and they'll only have PCIe2 cards at good prices.

Its all there just to get you to spend more money then you really need to, and its annoying to see people not only fall for it, but try and take others with them.
M_D_K 4th February 2006, 19:57 Quote
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Originally Posted by MiNiMaL_FuSS
fear my super clocked9800XT....
it still does around 60fps on NFS:MostWanted and FEAR at pretty decent setting, not gunna complain just yet.

Raw :) i got that to mate :) the 9800s are nice little beasts. Not looking to upgrade for a long while yet S-A still has some life in it yet.


Morgan.
hitman012 4th February 2006, 21:01 Quote
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Originally Posted by HellRazor
my question would be if its using the same core, the G70 then is it possible to unlock the remaining pipes and vertex shaders? I did it with my 6800 and turned it into a 6800GT *granted only 128mb*, but I was rather curious on that point, especially since it doesn't overclock all that well.
Nobody has succeeded in unlocking any G7x chips yet, since NVIDIA are using a new technique known as "laser-locking" to prevent the use of the disabled vertex shaders, texturing units and pixel pipelines.
Fahey 5th February 2006, 01:56 Quote
Man so many people have agp alot are going to get them for a easier upgrade.
PhillyB 5th February 2006, 23:32 Quote
well i bit the bullet. called worse buy, tard on the phone said they didnt have it. i didnt believe him, and drove to my worse buy and it was there on the shelf. so i bought it, installed it. nvidias drivers didnt work, had to use the ones on the cd, they are the newest anyway. then i played BF2, ran great, so i upped it from 2x AA to 4x AA. still looked great. getting 60+fps and spikes up to 80fps.

then i noticed the temps were much lower, both on my cpu and video card. then i overclocked the card. went from 400 and 1250 to 470 and 1400, no jaggies. bf2 for an hour, no problems. still low temps. excellent.


i decided to get it, and keep my 'aging' agp solution until later this year, when upgrading to conroe, and whatever the newest card of the month is out. then ill build a new main system and build a decent lan gaming system out of this system.
TomH 6th February 2006, 04:14 Quote
Heh, have taken 'the plunge' myself .. Was after a 6800GT-ish thing anyway .. figure I might as well pay the extra and get the better card.. It'll have to last until Oct/Nov now at least I'd imagine.

Bought the XFX eXtreme Gamer edition thing. Was only a few more quid than the normal eXtreme edition on Scan. Cost about the same as the BFG OC that was on OcUK, and it's clocked higher!

Goes without saying that I *could* OC, but that's more luck/gamble than anything.

This card in particular was actually £270 on OcUK. Tell me again, why haven't they gone out of business yet? :|
Iago 6th February 2006, 17:44 Quote
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Originally Posted by CowBlazed
Except that SLI is hardly even worth it, your paying more for the motherboard and PSU, not to mention the extra heat and power consumption, for what, an extra 20% performance?

An extra 20% performance? I've read several reviews in wich 2 7800GT go head to head (even surpassing at several benchmarks) a mighty x1900XTX. And I'm sure than a x1900XTX is not a 20% better performer than the nVidia card...

If the 7800GT is not half the price of the ATI monster, it'll be soon. Given that I already have one, and a SLI capable board (Gigabyte K8N-Sli for a mere 90€...not really more expensive than loads of non-SLI boards), I can get the x1900XTX performance for half the price right now. That's not a bad deal in my book.

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Its all there just to get you to spend more money then you really need to

Not at all. I was on a budget when I built my current rig...I just made sure I was going to have all options open when I wanted to upgrade. 90€ for a good performer, SLI capable board doesn't seem "more money than needed" (the non SLI version was like...81€). I get to enjoy the excelent 7800GT performance for 6 months, or so, and if I feel the need, I can upgrade to x1900XTX level for very little then, or to a new platform if available and reasonably priced. And all that for what, 9€? not bad at all, if you ask me.
Tim S 7th February 2006, 09:02 Quote
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Originally Posted by CowBlazed
As far as your review, practically every other site has an X850 XT PE ahead of the 7800 GS, even when overclocked, and dont forget that an X850 XT PE can also be OCed, but not out of ther box. Not only did you guys only use an X850 XT, but an FX-51 socket 940 test system with registered memory, what the heck happened?
1). You can't buy an X850XT PE AGP in the UK for anything close to the price of GeForce 7800 GS.

2). Most 'other sites' use time demos, not real-world gameplay. More often than not (as we've proved before now), time demos don't represent real-world gameplay and we stand by our numbers in this review.

3). We used an FX-51 system because our only socket 939 AGP motherboard died during the process of completing this review. PCI-Express has been around for 18 months now, and I don't think we've reviewed an AGP card since October 2004. We tried to set up a Pentium 4 system too, but that also failed to materialise. With the limited time available, the only option was to use the Socket 940 system that should represent something similar to an Athlon 64 3700+.
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