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ATI Radeon X1900 family

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crayfish 24th January 2006, 16:12 Quote
First reply :p

Looks like ATi pwnage from here on in!
eek 24th January 2006, 16:13 Quote
wow.

I want I want I want.

Shame it'll clear by entire student loan getting two of those for crossfire - not to mention the fact that I'll need a new motherboard!! Damn!! I know what I'm now saving for :D
[USRF]Obiwan 24th January 2006, 16:17 Quote
hmmz.. i rather wait for the first dx10 card...
thetraindriver 24th January 2006, 16:18 Quote
These gonna be available in AGP?... or maybe PCI? :p
rupbert 24th January 2006, 16:23 Quote
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Originally Posted by [USRF]Obiwan
hmmz.. i rather wait for the first dx10 card...

That will be quite some wait.
Leeum 24th January 2006, 16:23 Quote
Looks like ATi are back in the game!
Hamish 24th January 2006, 16:25 Quote
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At a first glance, you would be right to think that the Radeon X1900XTX reference card is physically the same as the Radeon X1800XT reference card.
does this mean the HSF fittings are the same between them? i hope so :D
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The MSRP is US$549 for the 512MB X1900 XT and US$649 X1900 XTX. In the UK, the pricing is £349 and £399 respectively, but this is excluding VAT. By the time you add Gordon Brown's 17.5% you're looking at £411.19 and £469.94.
scan have the XT for £328+vat

1 more thing, is there going to be an x1900xl? if so how's it gonig to differ, just lower clocks again or less pixel wotsits :p
Tim S 24th January 2006, 16:28 Quote
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Originally Posted by Hamish
does this mean the HSF fittings are the same between them? i hope so :D
yes, they're the same ;)

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scan have the XT for £328+vat

1 more thing, is there going to be an x1900xl? if so how's it gonig to differ, just lower clocks again or less pixel wotsits :p
I don't think so, there'll be an All-In-Wonder with lower clocks and a single slot cooler though. :)
rupbert 24th January 2006, 16:33 Quote
Bigz is there any indication as to when the 7900 series will be released? I think at CEBIT it claimed sometime around March?
Tim S 24th January 2006, 16:33 Quote
I'd think we'll see it before CeBit. However, they've got to improve the image quality if they're going to compete through and through. :)
rupbert 24th January 2006, 16:35 Quote
I assume ATIs release of the x1900 has forced Nvidia to bring the release forward?

Would be interesting to see x1900 vx 7900...
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However, they've got to improve the image quality if they're going to compete through and through.

Do you mean in terms of actual noticable image fidelity, or framerate performance (I assume you are talking specfically about AA?)
LoneArchon 24th January 2006, 16:35 Quote
Isn't the new nvidia card coming out very soon G71 i think it was. The X1900 family looks nice and will hopefully drive prices of the older models down and then maybe i can get a new graphic card without spendin a arm and a leg.
hitman012 24th January 2006, 16:37 Quote
Good review, guys :)

I wondered when R520 was launched whether the completely new architecture, once matured, would come back to bite NV in the ass - apparently it has, because they will have to drastically increase clock speeds to compete here. I want to see a totally new design from the green corner tbh.

It is nice to see ATi claiming back the market because, of course, it means NVIDIA have to come up with something faster... only 5 months after I bought my 256MB GTX, though

LoneArchon: G71 is the 7900 card.
Hamish 24th January 2006, 16:38 Quote
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yes, they're the same ;)
woot can keep my wb then :D
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I don't think so, there'll be an All-In-Wonder with lower clocks and a single slot cooler though. :)
noes :'(
£390 is a bit on the high side, i was hoping for an xl type one i could douse in water and clock the crap out of :(
not interesed in AiW, be the same/more expensive and have no need for tv tuner stuff

might just have to grab one of those XTs off scan
anyone want to lend me £400? :D
Tim S 24th January 2006, 16:45 Quote
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Originally Posted by rupbert
I assume ATIs release of the x1900 has forced Nvidia to bring the release forward?

Would be interesting to see x1900 vx 7900...
We'll have that on the day that the card is released ;)


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Do you mean in terms of actual noticable image fidelity, or framerate performance (I assume you are talking specfically about AA?)
Nope, we're talking about the texture filtering - ATI's texture filtering and anisotropic filtering quality is in another league and with X1900 series, it's actually useable.

Check on this page and the page after it covers anisotropic filtering quality - the main focus should be the 'highest' setting: http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2005/10/17/sapphire_radeon_x1800xl/5.html

ATI: http://www.bit-tech.net/content_images/sapphire_radeon_x1800xl/x1800xl-16hqaf.jpg

NVIDIA: http://www.bit-tech.net/content_images/sapphire_radeon_x1800xl/7800gt-16afhq.jpg

look at the ground :)
Aphex_ 24th January 2006, 17:28 Quote
i don't suppouse there is any word on the head room for overclocking, assumedly if the xtx uses the same hsf then the xt should be able to be pushed up towards its speeds, any word on the ram [chip codes] as well?

i'm sure ppl with a watercooling system are drooling at this as if the card doesn't use high gear on the stock hsf then there must be some room left.

are any aib's likely to sel pre-overclocked btw?
[sinz] 24th January 2006, 17:58 Quote
I'm a bit confused. For a crossfire setup, one would use a regular X1900XTX and then for the second card you'd use the X1900 CrossFire edition? e.g. you don't use two of the same card in a Crossfire configuration?
Tim S 24th January 2006, 18:00 Quote
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Originally Posted by Aphex_
i don't suppouse there is any word on the head room for overclocking, assumedly if the xtx uses the same hsf then the xt should be able to be pushed up towards its speeds, any word on the ram [chip codes] as well?
I forgot to add that in :o

The Radeon X1900XTX has 1.1ns DRAMs (1800MHz), while the X1900 CrossFire Edition has 1.2ns DRAMs (1650MHz)
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i'm sure ppl with a watercooling system are drooling at this as if the card doesn't use high gear on the stock hsf then there must be some room left.

are any aib's likely to sel pre-overclocked btw?
I'd estimate that there will be pre-overclocked cards soon. :)
Tim S 24th January 2006, 18:04 Quote
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Originally Posted by [sinz]
I'm a bit confused. For a crossfire setup, one would use a regular X1900XTX and then for the second card you'd use the X1900 CrossFire edition? e.g. you don't use two of the same card in a Crossfire configuration?
For high-end CrossFire setups (X1800 and X1900), you need an X1x00 CrossFire Edition card and a standard CrossFire ready Radeon X1x00-series card. In simple terms, the CrossFire Edition card does some clever stuff and makes the cards work together.

For Radeon X1600/X1300, you can use two of the same cards and don't need a CrossFire Edition card.

NVIDIA's SLI technology uses cards with the same chipsets (bios versions/board manufacturers and clock speeds can differ). For example, you can put two 7800 GTX 256 cards together, but not a 7800 GTX 256 and a 7800 GTX 512. :)
Nature 24th January 2006, 18:10 Quote
Those are great prices, there are 7800gtx's that cost more than 1900 XT's now :D

I was hoping that this card would be 9800pro-esque however. Unlike Ati's 9800pro, no card that's come out in recent years has been able to smoothly play new games at MAX settings (by itself). I guess theres more jobs in the sowftware industry.
[sinz] 24th January 2006, 18:18 Quote
Thanks bigz, much appreciated.
Payne280 24th January 2006, 18:32 Quote
very nice review, the 1900 series performs very well but this is there latest generation of cards and nvidia doesn't even have the 7900 out yet
ozstrike 24th January 2006, 18:43 Quote
I'm debating whether to go for the 1900xtx or waiting to see how the 7900's are. I get the feeling that the 7900 will pwn the 1900 though. But is it worth the wait?

How does the x1900xtx compare to the x1800xt, what's the average performance increase?
RotoSequence 24th January 2006, 19:01 Quote
Mmmmm, beefy
perplekks45 24th January 2006, 19:33 Quote
Very nice performance indeed. So we'll have to wait for G71 to make a final judgement, aren't we? At the moment, me as a nVidia fan boy, I would buy the X1900XTX. :|
But hey, it's like 1 or 2 months left 'till G71 comes out! :)
I don't like the fact that nVidia and ATI will launch their future cards with about 2-4 months between each other as this will lead to the fact that 1 month nVidia beats the crap out of ATI and the reverse is true for the next month. Will cost many people a lot of money though.
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