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Parge 3rd October 2012, 08:54 Quote
Antony, could you clarify is this an actual review, or is it part of AMDs staged review?

I really, hope its the former, because BT hadn't published anything up until now, I assumed it was because they were upholding journalistic intergrity.

Everyone read this.

http://techreport.com/blog/23638/amd-attempts-to-shape-review-content-with-staged-release-of-info
GuilleAcoustic 3rd October 2012, 09:03 Quote
Nice review :). Too bad you didn't add some openCL bench. It's now use in common software, like winzip, and can make a huge difference towards intel offering.

Also, it could be nice to add some of the free Steam games in your reviews : Team Fortress 2, Alien Swarm, etc. They are played a lot and for many gamers I know, they are the only games they play.

But again, nice review :D
Gareth Halfacree 3rd October 2012, 09:11 Quote
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Originally Posted by Parge
Antony, could you clarify is this an actual review, or is it part of AMDs staged review? I really, hope its the former, because BT hadn't published anything up until now, I assumed it was because they were upholding journalistic intergrity.
Everyone read this.
http://techreport.com/blog/23638/amd-attempts-to-shape-review-content-with-staged-release-of-info
From your linked article: "Although 'experiential testing' is allowed, sites may not publish the results of non-gaming CPU benchmarks."
From the review:
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Originally Posted by The Review
We've developed our own suite of benchmarks using real-world and open-source applications to simulate how PCs are actually used. The suite comprises an image editing test using Gimp, a video encoding test using Handbrake, and a multi-tasking test using 7-Zip to archive and encrypt a large batch of files while an HD movie plays in mplayer.

I think that should answer your question. :)
Dave Lister 3rd October 2012, 09:13 Quote
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Originally Posted by Parge
Antony, could you clarify is this an actual review, or is it part of AMDs staged review?

I really, hope its the former, because BT hadn't published anything up until now, I assumed it was because they were upholding journalistic intergrity.

Everyone read this.

http://techreport.com/blog/23638/amd-attempts-to-shape-review-content-with-staged-release-of-info

That's pretty low of them, not something the underdog should be doing at all. This has tainted the AMD brand for me.
Combatus 3rd October 2012, 09:30 Quote
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Originally Posted by Gareth Halfacree
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Originally Posted by Parge
Antony, could you clarify is this an actual review, or is it part of AMDs staged review? I really, hope its the former, because BT hadn't published anything up until now, I assumed it was because they were upholding journalistic intergrity.
Everyone read this.
http://techreport.com/blog/23638/amd-attempts-to-shape-review-content-with-staged-release-of-info
From your linked article: "Although 'experiential testing' is allowed, sites may not publish the results of non-gaming CPU benchmarks."
From the review:
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Review
We've developed our own suite of benchmarks using real-world and open-source applications to simulate how PCs are actually used. The suite comprises an image editing test using Gimp, a video encoding test using Handbrake, and a multi-tasking test using 7-Zip to archive and encrypt a large batch of files while an HD movie plays in mplayer.

I think that should answer your question. :)

Clearly AMD was concerned about maximising the gaming portion of the benchmarks, which we all knew were going to be better than HD 4000 and better than Llano. They'd have had to screw up in spectacular fashion if it wasn't. As far as non-gaming goes, Trinity is a significant improvement but it's not the Core i5 or even a Core i3 killer that had been reported, although it certainly strengthens the argument Llano had started.

TBH we didn't have time to meet the first stage of the NDA anyway, so thought we'd drop everything in one go in a single review. Even so, AMD's reasons for doing this I do find slightly odd, bordering on offensive both as a tech journalist and as a reader of articles like this.

' an effort to allow consumers to fully comprehend your analysis without prejudging based on graphs which do not necessarily represent the experiential difference'
Picarro 3rd October 2012, 09:47 Quote
Reading the first page of that review felt a bit like reading the publicity poster in an AMD CPU box..
Parge 3rd October 2012, 09:51 Quote
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Originally Posted by Gareth Halfacree
From your linked article: "Although 'experiential testing' is allowed, sites may not publish the results of non-gaming CPU benchmarks."
From the review:

I think that should answer your question. :)

Yeah, I did see the handbrake tests etc, but just wanted clarification, as when I checked I couldn't find full reviews (or Review Part 2s) out there, so thought the NDA might not have lifted.
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Originally Posted by Combatus
Clearly AMD was concerned about maximising the gaming portion of the benchmarks, which we all knew were going to be better than HD 4000 and better than Llano. They'd have had to screw up in spectacular fashion if it wasn't. As far as non-gaming goes, Trinity is a significant improvement but it's not the Core i5 or even a Core i3 killer that had been reported, although it certainly strengthens the argument Llano had started.

TBH we didn't have time to meet the first stage of the NDA anyway, so thought we'd drop everything in one go in a single review. Even so, AMD's reasons for doing this I do find slightly odd, bordering on offensive both as a tech journalist and as a reader of articles like this.

' an effort to allow consumers to fully comprehend your analysis without prejudging based on graphs which do not necessarily represent the experiential difference'

Agreed. They tried to steer it so people would focus on the results from the GPU side of the chip, and ignore the CPU side. I abhor these kind of tactics, because for any review, of anything, you have to take the product as a whole. Not only that but its very sly indeed, and an insult to your audience/market, after all, readers of tech sites tend to be amongst the more intelligent portion of society.

What's more it puts sites in a difficult position; do they put nothing out, and have other sites suck up all the traffic, or do they compromise their integrity and put out a story knowing that it only tells half a story.

Really poor show from AMD.

As an aside, great review Antony.
Combatus 3rd October 2012, 10:06 Quote
Thanks Parge, much appreciated!
Gareth Halfacree 3rd October 2012, 10:21 Quote
Bah - wanted to compare the A10-5800K's performance to my ageing Core 2 Duo E8400, but the two reviews use different benchmarks. I guess that should tell me all I need to know, but it'd still be nice to have some hard figures. Any chance of running PCMark Vantage x64 on the A10 just quickly?
Parge 3rd October 2012, 10:23 Quote
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Originally Posted by Gareth Halfacree
Bah - wanted to compare the A10-5800K's performance to my ageing Core 2 Duo E8400, but the two reviews use different benchmarks. I guess that should tell me all I need to know, but it'd still be nice to have some hard figures. Any chance of running PCMark Vantage x64 on the A10 just quickly?

What you are looking for
Gareth Halfacree 3rd October 2012, 10:27 Quote
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Originally Posted by Parge
What you are looking for
Huzzah - perfect! Well, that's pretty convincing. Guess I'm saving up for an A10-5800K, then - plus a wodge of 2,133MHz memory, a new motherboard, might as well get a smaller case while I'm at it, perhaps an SSD...

Hmm. On the plus side, by the time I've saved up for all that, the A10-5800K will probably be cheaper...
GuilleAcoustic 3rd October 2012, 10:46 Quote
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Originally Posted by Gareth Halfacree
Huzzah - perfect! Well, that's pretty convincing. Guess I'm saving up for an A10-5800K, then - plus a wodge of 2,133MHz memory, a new motherboard, might as well get a smaller case while I'm at it, perhaps an SSD...

Hmm. On the plus side, by the time I've saved up for all that, the A10-5800K will probably be cheaper...

The Asrock FM2A75M-ITX accpets 2600+ MHz memory :D and with this layout has a great compatibility with CPU coolers.

http://wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/ASRock-FM2-ITX.jpg
rollo 3rd October 2012, 10:55 Quote
Sad thing is there old 6 core is still faster some 2 and half years after its release, AMD have really not moved foward since then. Yes I know it was £200 on release but the fact is 2 and half years later you can pick it up second hand for £60-£80.

Image editing I'd say is pretty critical for most low end pcs as that will be one of the top 5 uses of there pc ahead of games. If you don't edit photos looks like a great little chip.

Are we likely to see anything to compete with intel in the £120-£220 brackets I wonder.
tyepye 3rd October 2012, 10:56 Quote
Nice review, if I was building a nice little budget gamer from scratch I would certainly consider the Trinity platform, the price point is very good.

With regards to "AMD shaping reviews" from reading the linked article it sounds as though they were saying that journalists could release some information early if they wanted to in their previews and a revised NDA.

They were never limiting what could be put in the final review once the NDA had expired, and if journalists were listing previews as genuine reviews then the problem lies with them.

The vast majority of people would know that a preview is only a glimpse at the product and would await a final review, and a simple line saying something like "under the terms of the NDA we are unable to publish CPU benchmarks, see full review for full details"

Isn't just like games previews? They show you what they consider to be the best parts for the game to drum up positive interest, then a full review of the final game tells you if it's as good through all parts of the game.
Cei 3rd October 2012, 11:06 Quote
It's a shame AMD have abandoned anything approaching the performance market, and are aiming for the low-end no-discrete-GPU approach as their sole market. These new APUs are excellent for those looking for a basic PC or HTPC, with a bit of light gaming, but a no-go for many. They can't even outrun an i3 on compute tasks, which is a bit shameful.

Shennanigans over NDAs and trying to shape (p)reviews to concentrate on the GPU performance is also a bit dodgy in my eyes. Why try and build hype over one aspect of performance in advance, whilst trying to hide another unless you're sitting on a lame duck in the latter?

Regardless, should be a decent choice for budget systems as Moore's Law (although can that really apply to AMD's backward progression in compute terms?) means any CPU these days can handle basic computing tasks.
.//TuNdRa 3rd October 2012, 11:07 Quote
Does highlight how much help AMD needs, however. Trinity is the same as Llano; Very good for a GPU-less Media box or similar, but it's still not a viable alternative to most Intel chips.

I'm not even going near Piledriver till i've seen good reviews of it this time. I feel bad enough for having jumped onto the Bulldozer Freight Train (To hell.)

Also; Last Page, second paragraph: "Snapping at it's heals" - slight error there. ;3
bagman 3rd October 2012, 11:27 Quote
What is the hybrid gpu performance like. I want to see a bench mark with the 5800K + 7870 vs i3 2100 + 7870. As it might make the 5800K very relevant if it is noticeably faster.
GuilleAcoustic 3rd October 2012, 11:32 Quote
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Originally Posted by bagman
What is the hybrid gpu performance like. I want to see a bench mark with the 5800K + 7870 vs i3 2100 + 7870. As it might make the 5800K very relevant if it is noticeably faster.

hybrid gpu does not work with HD7000 series. The HD7660 D is based on HD6000 core, not on Graphic Core Next. The highest GPU you can use for dual graphics with the A10-5800K and A10-5700 is an HD6670.
runadumb 3rd October 2012, 11:35 Quote
Double post
runadumb 3rd October 2012, 11:42 Quote
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Originally Posted by runadumb
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Originally Posted by Parge
Antony, could you clarify is this an actual review, or is it part of AMDs staged review?

I really, hope its the former, because BT hadn't published anything up until now, I assumed it was because they were upholding journalistic intergrity.

Everyone read this.

http://techreport.com/blog/23638/amd-attempts-to-shape-review-content-with-staged-release-of-info

Anand explained this in their latest podcast (speaking of podcasts, where's the Bittech one gone?). It was just AMD saying you could release the GPU results early, if you wanted. Sure it may be a little sneaky but hardly a big unhanded tactic to make a big deal out of like VR. Just my opinion.
It started a much larger discussion about how companies play dirty but with the point being very clearly made that AMD were, in this case, on the level with how they handed journalists.
tyepye 3rd October 2012, 11:43 Quote
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Originally Posted by bagman
What is the hybrid gpu performance like. I want to see a bench mark with the 5800K + 7870 vs i3 2100 + 7870. As it might make the 5800K very relevant if it is noticeably faster.

Brief details from the ExpertReviews review
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The A10-5800K will work with the Radeon HD 6570 and HD 6670 in CrossFire. We paired it with a 1GB HD 6570, which is £44 from Amazon. With the card in place (and once we’d used our motherboard's BIOS to switch the primary graphics output back to the processor's graphics) we could enable CrossFire. This led Dirt Showdown at 1,920x1,080 with High detail and 4x anti-aliasing to leap from 26.5fps to a very smooth 47.1fps, showing the combination of a £100 processor and £44 graphics card to be enough to play the latest games at high resolutions and detail levels.
faxiij 3rd October 2012, 11:45 Quote
I wish AMD would stop failing. :(
Paradigm Shifter 3rd October 2012, 11:55 Quote
Others have already pointed out what I was going to in response to the earlier posts about AMD being "underhanded".

I'm tempted, but I'm not totally sold. Might be fun to get an ITX system and do something with that, though. It'd make a nice HTPC/low-power gamer...

Would also be very interested in detailed OpenCL benches.
tonyd223 3rd October 2012, 13:07 Quote
Hasn't anyone noticed? This is surely just a strategy to keep selling the old HD6670...
GuilleAcoustic 3rd October 2012, 13:24 Quote
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Originally Posted by tonyd223
Hasn't anyone noticed? This is surely just a strategy to keep selling the old HD6670...

What makes you think that ?
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