bit-tech.net

AMD Launches Llano APU

Comments 1 to 25 of 50

Reply
RedFlames 14th June 2011, 13:11 Quote
but can it run crysis are they any good?
Parge 14th June 2011, 13:11 Quote
Review on its way?
BRAWL 14th June 2011, 13:15 Quote
Review one of these please, would love to see the difference between them and convential stand alone CPU's and GPU's
sandys 14th June 2011, 13:22 Quote
Looks like a good HTPC/nettop alternative, more attractive than a Brazos.
tyepye 14th June 2011, 13:46 Quote
For those that want a peak Expert Reviews got sent a prototype laptop with the finalised hardware for the A8 mobile chipset.
Hustler 14th June 2011, 14:01 Quote
Bulldozer.....???

All together now..."why are we waiting, Oh why are waiting...."
StoneyMahoney 14th June 2011, 14:01 Quote
Careful with that naming convention. How long until someone confuses an AMD APU with the ARM-based thing in the iPad?
lga45 14th June 2011, 14:20 Quote
What is it about AMD cpus that just makes them sooooooo boring???
Unknownsock 14th June 2011, 14:25 Quote
I'm not even going to attempt to understand AMD's marketing.
jrs77 14th June 2011, 14:51 Quote
Over at http://www.anandtech.com/ there's a review of a Llano notebook and an ASRock ATX-board available.

The tested notebook with an A8-3500M seems rather unimpressive tbh, and I'd rather buy an i5-24xx based laptop. The IGP of Llano is good, and yes it's way better then intels HD3000, but the CPU of Llano is exponentially worse then intels i5-24xx. And let's be honest... a laptop is ment primarily for office-tasks or mobile productivity and not for gaming and Llano simply lacks performance for productivity-tasks.
It doesn't even use less power then intels i5-24xx and the A8-3500M based notebooks are said to cost some $600 which is aswell not any cheaper then what i5-24xx laptops start at.

AMD didn't deliver there at all unfortunately and they can only sell these chips, if they drastically lower the prices cutting their profits, loosing money.

I was really expecting more from Llano and hoped for some decent 13" notebooks with good performance and long battery-life, but it looks like intel will make the race for the next round aswell.
wuyanxu 14th June 2011, 14:58 Quote
i would like to point out i've predicted this ages ago, and was mocked with Audi jokes.
Quote:
Originally Posted by wuyanxu
coming soon: AMD A4, A6 and A8 processors
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheMusician
http://i53.tinypic.com/mct27t.jpg

Introducing, the AMD A4





AMD really need to sort out their naming. why is an A6 competing with i3? similarly, why are 68x0 competing with 560 and 550 mid range graphics cards?
Ending Credits 14th June 2011, 15:27 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by wuyanxu

AMD really need to sort out their naming. why is an A6 competing with i3? similarly, why are 68x0 competing with 560 and 550 mid range graphics cards?

Wait, so you're criticizing AMD for not going along with Nvidia's crazy naming schemes?
sandys 14th June 2011, 15:33 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by jrs77
AMD didn't deliver there at all unfortunately and they can only sell these chips, if they drastically lower the prices cutting their profits, loosing money.

I was really expecting more from Llano and hoped for some decent 13" notebooks with good performance and long battery-life, but it looks like intel will make the race for the next round aswell.

looks to me like they delivered, a cheap notebook that will do all most people need, there are a hell of a lot of people running about with Atom based net/notebooks, this thing blows them out of the water and shouldn't cost a lot more.

An Atom was fine for most office tasks but the platform was piss poor at web based stuff due to crap CPU and GPU, we now have GPU accelerated browsers etc, this llano and to some extent Brazo are winners here providing a better user experience in the low end notebook netbook market which is where the volume is.

They've certainly got a customer in me if the pricing is right, almost jumped on a dm1 for £300 with a Brazos but I'll keep chugging on my eeepc 1000h for a few months and see what llano solutions are like, could be a good fit for a sub 13.3" machine, certainly not many sandy bridge parts in that market for a reasonable price.
wuyanxu 14th June 2011, 15:33 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ending Credits
Wait, so you're criticizing AMD for not going along with Nvidia's crazy naming schemes?
criticising them for using a higher number to make their product seem better than competitor's. graphics card is just a bad example.

A6 is aiming to compete with i3. should be A4 compete with i3, A6 with i5 then it makes a bit more sense.

not the naming scheme, but their way of assigning tiers.
jrs77 14th June 2011, 15:50 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by sandys
looks to me like they delivered, a cheap notebook that will do all most people need, there are a hell of a lot of people running about with Atom based net/notebooks, this thing blows them out of the water and shouldn't cost a lot more.

A8 Llano isn't any cheaper then i5 SandyBridge. Both start at $600. So what exactly did AMD deliver there?
AMD delivered a product at the same price as intels with the same battery-life, better graphics but way less CPU-performance. Average Joe still needs better CPU-performance instead of graphics tho, especially in notebooks which are not ment for gaming.
Goty 14th June 2011, 16:30 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by jrs77
A8 Llano isn't any cheaper then i5 SandyBridge. Both start at $600. So what exactly did AMD deliver there?
AMD delivered a product at the same price as intels with the same battery-life, better graphics but way less CPU-performance. Average Joe still needs better CPU-performance instead of graphics tho, especially in notebooks which are not ment for gaming.

Average Joe doesn't care about CPU performance. Also, what kind of spreadsheets are you making that require so much CPU grunt? My E-350 handles spreadsheets with a few thousand entries without breaking a sweat.
sandys 14th June 2011, 16:32 Quote
Its a bit of a redundant discussion really as these things aren't out yet, estimated and actual could be vastly different either way but if the average Joe needed CPU performance then the Atom would never of existed nor would it of sold by the bucket load.

there is a world of difference between my netbook running the Intel GPU and a netbook runing same Atom but with an Nvidia GPU in terms of user experience, its not the CPU that improves that, its the GPU and the GPU is being brought to do a lot more tasks from OS UI acceleration, browser acceleration and a number of plugin accelerators like flash, a lot of the time leaving the CPU to do not a lot.

Its like gaming, CPU barely comes into it in most cases, its all about the quality of the GPU really, the CPU just needs to be fast enough, these Llano will achieve that.

A quad core Athlon should be enough for everyday office tasks don't you think, my email and office applications run as well on my netbook as they do on my gaming rig. Can't see where I would need extra CPU speed on my netbook, might speed up my finance package a bit but a better GPU will definitely allow me to do more in the web/media/game space and is something I would notice everyday.
Bindibadgi 14th June 2011, 16:35 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hustler
Bulldozer.....???

All together now..."why are we waiting, Oh why are waiting...."

Answer: Because it needed another die respin.

OK? :)
MrJay 14th June 2011, 16:38 Quote
Dont think we will really get a full picture untill they have launched the entire range and we see a decent spread of benchmarks.
tonyd223 14th June 2011, 16:56 Quote
Like they couldn't test the stability if the processors before they sent them out to 3rd parties... come on AMD, have you heard of project management?

Becoming the Duke Nukem of processors - bring back my Athlon XP, do a die shrink, and put 12 of them on the same chip - it's not that hard really...
mi1ez 14th June 2011, 16:59 Quote
jrs77 14th June 2011, 17:16 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Goty
Average Joe doesn't care about CPU performance. Also, what kind of spreadsheets are you making that require so much CPU grunt? My E-350 handles spreadsheets with a few thousand entries without breaking a sweat.
Quote:
Originally Posted by sandys
Its a bit of a redundant discussion really as these things aren't out yet, estimated and actual could be vastly different either way but if the average Joe needed CPU performance then the Atom would never of existed nor would it of sold by the bucket load.

there is a world of difference between my netbook running the Intel GPU and a netbook runing same Atom but with an Nvidia GPU in terms of user experience, its not the CPU that improves that, its the GPU and the GPU is being brought to do a lot more tasks from OS UI acceleration, browser acceleration and a number of plugin accelerators like flash, a lot of the time leaving the CPU to do not a lot.

Its like gaming, CPU barely comes into it in most cases, its all about the quality of the GPU really, the CPU just needs to be fast enough, these Llano will achieve that.

A quad core Athlon should be enough for everyday office tasks don't you think, my email and office applications run as well on my netbook as they do on my gaming rig. Can't see where I would need extra CPU speed on my netbook, might speed up my finance package a bit but a better GPU will definitely allow me to do more in the web/media/game space and is something I would notice everyday.
Quote:
Originally Posted by mi1ez
Tom's has a good in-depth.

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/a8-3500m-llano-apu,review-32207.html

And now discard the games and look at productivity-software. intel beats AMD there by a mile.

That's all I'm saying ;)
azazel1024 14th June 2011, 17:33 Quote
Well looking at the early reviews, the top of the line Llano is a tiny bit more power efficient than a not top of the line Sandybridge laptop CPU by about 10% comparing battery capacities (and not a CULV CPU, which should blow it out of the water). It is also quite a bit slower at anything non-3D than even Intel's entry level dual core mobility chips, and that is Llano top of the line mobility versus Intel entry level mobility.

Frankly, not impressed. I was hoping in the mobility area that Llano top of the line would at least be the equivelent CPU wise to a lower level i5 mobility. Now I now I am packing a wee Core 2 duo in my desktop, but all that lovely GPU goodness baked in to the processor die is possibly going to be held back in a number of places by a very substandard CPU, and the low processor intensive games aren't likely to need nearly as much GPU.

A nice Nvidia mobility GPU paired with an Intel SB i7 mobility chip and some nice Lucid swithing between GPUs to only run the Nvidia when it is needed is going to make a massively superior laptop for everything than Llano can deliver (probably true of even i5 mobility).

I have a bit more hope in the desktop environment that AMD can at least capture the uppper low end of the market.
MrJay 14th June 2011, 17:45 Quote
Im thinking Jack of all trades master of none?

Shame there arnt more GPU accelerated applications...

But hay ho, this is still based on some *******ised Phenom II.

Cant wait to see the desktop chips, and i know its a long shot but i need a shiney new AM3+ ITX board thank you very much.
DrTiCool 14th June 2011, 18:08 Quote
I thought that Llano was supposed to be new architecture like Bulldozer one but more for mainstream purposes, and what we got is revisited K10. Well fingers still crossed for AMD
Log in

You are not logged in, please login with your forum account below. If you don't already have an account please register to start contributing.



Discuss in the forums