p3n... that is pretty much what this market is about. Low TDP cpu's that offer low to medium CPU processing grunt. Look at Intel's Atom... its about as powerful as my ancient Pentium M that I bought 3.5yrs ago.
Yet it can still surf the web and be used to write documents, watch media etc.. Just like my ancient Pentium M chip.
So if those graphs are to be believed, then AMD could have a hit on its hands. Much better performance than an Atom, with low power ratings.
If you were expecting a core i7 competitor from this preview then your expectations where far out of whack!
Originally Posted by lewchenko So if those graphs are to be believed, then AMD could have a hit on its hands. Much better performance than an Atom, with low power ratings.
Yes very true, but adoption is all about COST right now otherwise people will either settle for those 15.4" bricks sold on the cheap, or, a netbook.
@lewchenko TBH your ancient P3/ Pentium M is more powerful than the atom/epia thanks to out of order execution even with a lesser clock speed .
@p3n: They have similar stats to my old s939 rig and it still plays all the games i need and copes well enough with all the cpu intensive tasks i need to throw at it.
It will all boil down to the TDP of the chipset now. Intel did a sterling job on the Atom but blew it by pairing it with an old, high TDP chipset. If AMD can keep theirs below 5W (unlikely, but we can but dream) it should be a serious competitor to the Atom.
I'm in that market! 15.4" bricks are too big for in the train, but the Atom lacks the grunt that i want. Sadly for AMD, my need has already been fulfilled... by AMD.
I'm a bit suprised that AMD is doing this... I'm reading this article on my HP Pavilion TX2550:
- 12,1" 1280x800
- AMD Puma 2GHz
- HD3200 graphics
- All the stuff normally associated with a 15.4" brick
- 4 hour battery life on power saver profile, still able to watch HD content.
- Touchscreen!
- under 800 euros.
I dont know how this "neo" chip will stack up against that, but unless the price, weight or battery life are dramatically improved, i think they should have spent the money on pushing this existing platform with better marketing. Blow the limp Atom out of the water with performance.
Personally, i think they have their aim off, if anything AMD and Intel should be aiming under the Atom, and start developing some good platforms for PDAs and cellphones. If they don't, they'll be obsolete in 10-15 years.
What we need is to take this chip, shrink the die and lower its TDP, allow a greater range of clockspeeds and pair it with the ION chipset.
Then we have everything we need for pretty much any (non-gaming/3D design) platform ranging from the cheapest nettops to desktops, workstations, HTPC, car PC, home servers etc. :)
Originally Posted by airchie What we need is to take this chip, shrink the die and lower its TDP, allow a greater range of clockspeeds and pair it with the ION chipset.
Then we have everything we need for pretty much any (non-gaming/3D design) platform ranging from the cheapest nettops to desktops, workstations, HTPC, car PC, home servers etc. :)
You can forget about the Ion chipset, nVidia and AMD are not really going to join forces anytime soon ;)
The HD3450 is a very strong graphical performer though, so i dont think you'll be left wanting in that department.
Don't know my last few AMD motherboards have been nForce, don't see why nVidia couldn't provide the platform and AMD provide the cpu, at least that way both companies are shipping chips versus the massive head start Intel now has on them.
I'm definitely in the market for a netbook/ultraportable and now even for an ultrathin... just have to figure out which way to go. This [AMD's] seems like a great idea in general but I doubt it'll be as successful as they hope.
Still, I'll do as Xtra said: Sit tight and see what happens. :)
I'm definitely in the market for something like this as a 10" screen isn't quite large enough yet a 15" luggable isn't what I want either. Highly portable, reasonable performance (both CPU and GPU) as well as respectable battery life put this right in the sweet spot. The price point they're aiming for is just the icing on the cake ;D
In your opening spiel, you essentially describe my laptop. It was £550, has a 12" screen, can run Solidworks (well enough) and can get a 5 hour battery life. Intel have already got chips in that area, its called a Core 2 duo! I only hope this works out better that it sounds.
A slight aside, but what is Intel Menlow? I can't find anything obvious, though I haven't spent ages looking.
Originally Posted by bowman A bundle of old stuff, that's a shame. Imagine if they had used new parts instead, as you mentioned. 780G, SB750, single 45nm Deneb core..
Theres definitely new stuff. The CPU is based on a new package that was shrunk, overall the platform has lower TDPs and the chipset was optimized for ultrathin notebooks. Also, we plan to launch a dual-core version in 2H09.
Originally Posted by bowman A bundle of old stuff, that's a shame. Imagine if they had used new parts instead, as you mentioned. 780G, SB750, single 45nm Deneb core..
I would say it is all down to cost and resources.
Using the 780G/SB700 would cost more than the 690T/SB600 combination. AMD is going for a pricepoint.
AMD is trying to pump out as many 45nm Opterons/Phenoms as possible. These make AMD money. Why would they use up expensive 45nm wafer/fab space for a part that would make little/no money when 65nm is entirely suitable for the task?
AMD's strategy with buying ATI is to become a platform supplier, not just a parts supplier. With this they are providing capability not parts. The average customer looks at what a product can do, not what part it uses. It is only us enthusiasts that look at the parts.
Asus, MSI, Lenovo, anyone who would care to listen!!
I want an AMD widescreen thinbook!! One whose touchpad is on the Right!! (they could make some for lefties too!) If someone makes this (cheap?), I am going to buy it!! Just make sure it runs King's Bounty!
I don't need a palmrest on my thinbook, whether on the go or on the table. While walking, I should be able the thumb through my thinbook while holding it (securely) with both hands!
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ReplyYet it can still surf the web and be used to write documents, watch media etc.. Just like my ancient Pentium M chip.
So if those graphs are to be believed, then AMD could have a hit on its hands. Much better performance than an Atom, with low power ratings.
If you were expecting a core i7 competitor from this preview then your expectations where far out of whack!
Yes very true, but adoption is all about COST right now otherwise people will either settle for those 15.4" bricks sold on the cheap, or, a netbook.
@p3n: They have similar stats to my old s939 rig and it still plays all the games i need and copes well enough with all the cpu intensive tasks i need to throw at it.
Depends if board makers use it for mini-ITX - no confirmations yet though.
I'm a bit suprised that AMD is doing this... I'm reading this article on my HP Pavilion TX2550:
- 12,1" 1280x800
- AMD Puma 2GHz
- HD3200 graphics
- All the stuff normally associated with a 15.4" brick
- 4 hour battery life on power saver profile, still able to watch HD content.
- Touchscreen!
- under 800 euros.
I dont know how this "neo" chip will stack up against that, but unless the price, weight or battery life are dramatically improved, i think they should have spent the money on pushing this existing platform with better marketing. Blow the limp Atom out of the water with performance.
Personally, i think they have their aim off, if anything AMD and Intel should be aiming under the Atom, and start developing some good platforms for PDAs and cellphones. If they don't, they'll be obsolete in 10-15 years.
Try now.
Then we have everything we need for pretty much any (non-gaming/3D design) platform ranging from the cheapest nettops to desktops, workstations, HTPC, car PC, home servers etc. :)
The HD3450 is a very strong graphical performer though, so i dont think you'll be left wanting in that department.
It makes for an interesting read, and I really hope AMD can gain some market share over Intel.
Still, I'll do as Xtra said: Sit tight and see what happens. :)
A slight aside, but what is Intel Menlow? I can't find anything obvious, though I haven't spent ages looking.
Which are more expensive and generally higher power.
I was wrong - Menlow is the codename for the current Atom platform.
Theres definitely new stuff. The CPU is based on a new package that was shrunk, overall the platform has lower TDPs and the chipset was optimized for ultrathin notebooks. Also, we plan to launch a dual-core version in 2H09.
True enough!
Not exactly, the 690T remains on the 65nm UMC process, unless you can details me other specifics I wasn't told about :)
So it's 2H not 2Q?
:)
I would say it is all down to cost and resources.
Using the 780G/SB700 would cost more than the 690T/SB600 combination. AMD is going for a pricepoint.
AMD is trying to pump out as many 45nm Opterons/Phenoms as possible. These make AMD money. Why would they use up expensive 45nm wafer/fab space for a part that would make little/no money when 65nm is entirely suitable for the task?
AMD's strategy with buying ATI is to become a platform supplier, not just a parts supplier. With this they are providing capability not parts. The average customer looks at what a product can do, not what part it uses. It is only us enthusiasts that look at the parts.
I want an AMD widescreen thinbook!! One whose touchpad is on the Right!! (they could make some for lefties too!) If someone makes this (cheap?), I am going to buy it!! Just make sure it runs King's Bounty!
I don't need a palmrest on my thinbook, whether on the go or on the table. While walking, I should be able the thumb through my thinbook while holding it (securely) with both hands!
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