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AMD Phenom 9600 Black Edition

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Da_Rude_Baboon 17th January 2008, 09:40 Quote
First page is duplicated..again. There seems to have been an awful lot of mistakes in the articles recently.
Mary Jo 17th January 2008, 09:41 Quote
When I first read "Black Edition" there I thought that AMD were going to be marketing a chip specifically to African Americans. :)
Bindibadgi 17th January 2008, 09:48 Quote
No, just African - this is quad core for OLPC ;)
mrb_no1 17th January 2008, 10:20 Quote
same old from amd as of late...shame really
MilkMan5 17th January 2008, 10:23 Quote
Black! but the CPU looks Silver with the usual green PCB ! :?
Naberius 17th January 2008, 10:24 Quote
Damn, it even scores lower than some X2 processors in some benchmarks, terrible effort from AMD!
DarkLord7854 17th January 2008, 10:36 Quote
That's really.. disappointing. I mean, I like the Intel chips, but it'd be nice if Intel could get off their high throne and quit strangling us for our money for their CPUs, but that requires AMD to be able to compete.. Which they clearly don't as of now.. :(
Naberius 17th January 2008, 10:37 Quote
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Originally Posted by DarkLord7854
That's really.. disappointing. I mean, I like the Intel chips, but it'd be nice if Intel could get off their high throne and quit strangling us for our money for their CPUs..

I don't think you can really moan about the intel pricing at the moment, just look at the Q6600, ~£150 for a good performing quad core processor that can overclock like mad without too much effort.
DXR_13KE 17th January 2008, 10:54 Quote
they have to be kidding....... either AMD starts doing something right or they will go the way of the dodo....
Tim S 17th January 2008, 10:55 Quote
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Originally Posted by Naberius
I don't think you can really moan about the intel pricing at the moment, just look at the Q6600, ~£150 for a good performing quad core processor that can overclock like mad without too much effort.
Yep, although as Rich points out... once you get to higher models, the price increases dramatically - double the price for a Q6700, as stated. :(
sandys 17th January 2008, 12:19 Quote
Its a shame AMD aren't competitive, even if they fix the TLB thing thats causing some 15% performance hit its still not going to look good, I hope they have some top fixes in the pipeline or sort out there process issues as theres not much incentive to go with AMDs CPU or GPUs at the moment and there hasn't been for a while.

I'd hate to go back to the old days when a decent CPU from Intel cost an arm and a leg even at entry level due to there being no viable competition.
Naberius 17th January 2008, 12:24 Quote
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Originally Posted by Naberius
I don't think you can really moan about the intel pricing at the moment, just look at the Q6600, ~£150 for a good performing quad core processor that can overclock like mad without too much effort.
Yep, although as Rich points out... once you get to higher models, the price increases dramatically - double the price for a Q6700, as stated. :(

I could get a 5 year old to make a q6600 as fast as a q6700
Paradigm Shifter 17th January 2008, 12:32 Quote
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Originally Posted by Naberius
I could get a 5 year old to make a q6600 as fast as a q6700

But you couldn't get that five-year-old to make that 9x multiplier a 10x multiplier. ;)
Jebus.exe 17th January 2008, 12:39 Quote
I realy wanted to make the complete spider, i guess i'll be waiting untill Q2 08 before amd put something on the market worth clocking.... :(
mrplow 17th January 2008, 12:44 Quote
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Originally Posted by sandys
Its a shame AMD aren't competitive, even if they fix the TLB thing thats causing some 15% performance hit its still not going to look good, I hope they have some top fixes in the pipeline or sort out there process issues as theres not much incentive to go with AMDs CPU or GPUs at the moment and there hasn't been for a while.

Fair enough CPUs, but I don't think you can say they're doing as badly with the GPUs.

This whole thing is getting painful for me. I'd like to upgrade my 3800+ soon (although I have to say, it's not really struggling yet), but I can't possibly go intel! I never -ever- have, lol!
roadie 17th January 2008, 13:01 Quote
Yeah, waiting for the B3 stepping Phenoms is a must, it seems.
naokaji 17th January 2008, 13:02 Quote
*hugs his q6600 and e6550*

seriosuly though, amd needs nothing short of a miracle chip (and those dont really exist) to be able to compete again. they are loosing against the current c2d's and the new c2d's are comming very soon. phenom doesnt have any headroom clockwise, sure, maybe 100 - 200 mhz plus once tlb is fixed there will be some performance gain, but by far not enough. and amd's roadmaps dont look promising at all, nothing completly new comming till after nehalem.
oasked 17th January 2008, 13:03 Quote
I don't think the B3 steppings are going to improve performance, all of the Bit-Tech results above are WITHOUT the TLB patch. Hopefully the B3 stepping will improve overclocking though.
Bindibadgi 17th January 2008, 14:12 Quote
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Originally Posted by sandys
Its a shame AMD aren't competitive, even if they fix the TLB thing thats causing some 15% performance hit its still not going to look good, I hope they have some top fixes in the pipeline or sort out there process issues as theres not much incentive to go with AMDs CPU or GPUs at the moment and there hasn't been for a while.

I'd hate to go back to the old days when a decent CPU from Intel cost an arm and a leg even at entry level due to there being no viable competition.

The TLB was left ON so there was NO performance hit in our testing - that is exactly how a Phenom performs. The turning the TLB off drops the performance a further 2-10%. The only way AMD can compete is if they scale the chips upwards - kind of the point I was trying to achieve with the ocing :o
spazmochad 17th January 2008, 16:06 Quote
Poor AMD :(
E.E.L. Ambiense 17th January 2008, 16:43 Quote
God, that was painful to read. Come on, AMD....I know you guys have to have an ace up the sleeve. Come on. Please?
chicorasia 17th January 2008, 17:15 Quote
All results (and woes) are pretty much par with extremetech's attempt at overclocking the Phenom....

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2249942,00.asp

I suppose it rules out the "it's just a bad sample" theory...
Tim S 17th January 2008, 17:16 Quote
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Originally Posted by chicorasia
All results (and woes) are pretty much par with extremetech's attempt at overclocking the Phenom....

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2249942,00.asp

I suppose it rules out the "it's just a bad sample" theory...

Well, we have two... so it'd have to be two bad samples. ;)

Still, it's not good for AMD.
13eightyfour 17th January 2008, 17:51 Quote
i know the likelyhood of this is practically no existant, but IF amd could drop the price to say around £120-130 i think it would make a much more attractive buy, shame really cause amds of old were fantastic! i still use my xp-m 2500+ on a reguular basis for general day to day stuff!
Whalemeister 17th January 2008, 18:03 Quote
It's a shame, I'm an ex AMD fanboy who really wants to believe again...

Intel have really hit the spot recently with their dual and quad core cpus, I've had my Q6600 for a while now and it rocks (oc'd to 3.2GHz with no effort) and will still out perform any stock CPU out there, not bad for ~£155!!
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