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First Look: AMD's Phenom processors

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HourBeforeDawn 13th December 2007, 08:58 Quote
ya this batch is a real shame, Im still planning on building a spider based platform system for one of my build projects so hopefully by then there will be a better batch or line out by then. ^_^
mutznutz 13th December 2007, 09:13 Quote
I'd like to go back to AMD but they need to give me a good reason to, maybe they'll sort themselves out middle of next year at upgrade time :)
Naberius 13th December 2007, 09:17 Quote
Disappointing, what else can i say....
cjoyce1980 13th December 2007, 09:19 Quote
its the applications that are currently being used that are not showing off what the processors are capable of not the hardware, but i still think 2008 isn't going to be a great year for AMD. they need to release some sort of update to improve performance in single thread applications
yakyb 13th December 2007, 09:21 Quote
the only reason to go amd at the moment is to go Quad crossfire but really who in their right mind would do that
DarkLord7854 13th December 2007, 09:47 Quote
I was rather hoping AMD could at the very least, offer enough competition for Intel to stop being such money hoggers and start a price battle again like what happened over the summer with the Core2 chips. Sigh. =\
mclean007 13th December 2007, 10:00 Quote
Oh dear. Phenom gets comprehensively humped across the board, and that's before you even consider its woeful overclockability vs the legendary capabilities of Core 2.

Quick typo - final page - "What exasperates these fears is the potential" - exacerbates??
Tim S 13th December 2007, 10:24 Quote
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Originally Posted by mclean007
Quick typo - final page - "What exasperates these fears is the potential" - exacerbates??

Thanks :o
pumpman 13th December 2007, 10:55 Quote
You said it yourself in the article that it is a total flip from the P4 -AMD64 days , people still bought intel chips then, but you have raised a good point about pricing of intel's top chip.
It has been a long time coming the new kit from AMD and its clear that the boards etc need to mature , much like the c2d kit has done over the last year. What is clear though is that no one will in great numbers from the enthusiasts camp, buy amd kit as it has almost been drilled into them from every piece on the net , that you would be mad to buy amd kit.

To me the reality is you can buy a Porsche or a BMW, both nice but one is quicker. Its an easy choice to make when you have two choices, there will be no choice if we are left with one high end chip maker.

Having said that apart from encoding I see no huge margins in performance between the two and doing everyday things, Im suprised at the number of people who have admitted going from x2 to c2d and saying they don.t really notice a difference.

It will be interesting to see what amd make of the proposed sharing of tech with the 45nm process, but the next big thing is can intel pull such a good product again out of the bag for the next generation of cpu.
Bindibadgi 13th December 2007, 11:30 Quote
What makes it worse is now AMD has changed its brand from a well known Athlon to Phenom which no layman will understand. Then they go look up "Phenom" on the net, see it gets average or lower reviews and decide to steer clear. :/
Jebus.exe 13th December 2007, 11:30 Quote
I just dont know what to say after reading this review. I was dead set on building a spider in Feb... now i just feel... somewhat "let down" :(
xion 13th December 2007, 11:38 Quote
I really hope that the green team pull something out the bag, no one likes a one horse race, even if that particular one trick pony is a thoroughbred
mclean007 13th December 2007, 12:04 Quote
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You said it yourself in the article that it is a total flip from the P4 -AMD64 days , people still bought intel chips then
They did, but Intel has the advantage of being the market leader and the 'default' position for a lot of buyers. Even during the doldrums of P4, when pretty much every enthusiast would pick AMD over Intel, businesses bought Intel in droves because, as the saying goes, "no-one ever got fired for buying Intel". Similarly, Joe Average doesn't really need a tenth of the power a modern CPU delivers, and he'll buy whatever Dell tells him he needs. Until very recently, Dell didn't ship AMD at all. Also, Intel throws vast sums of money at advertising, which AMD cannot afford to do. Intel is far more a household name than AMD is ever likely to be, thanks in large part to the TV / poster advertising that is everywhere and that irritatingly catchy jingle (dum-dum-dum-da). The net result was Intel could have pressed silicon turds and would still sell them by the crate (as P4 proved), because they had a trusted brand and because, frankly, CPU horsepower is largely irrelevant to the majority of the computer buying population. Since every computer in the last decade has been capable of the most common tasks - word processing, internet, e-mail - what they care about is getting a reliable machine with a brand they recognise for the lowest price they can.

AMD does not have the luxury of brand recognition, so has had to rely on producing products with consistently better price/performance in order to attract buyers who want a bit more than the run of the mill from their machines. From the late 90s to 2005/6, AMD was doing pretty well carving out a niche here, but it relies on continuing to push out quality product because, with a few fanboy exceptions, this market will just as happily jump to Intel for their next upgrade. Unfortunately, Phenom doesn't seem to deliver, so AMD will really struggle over the next couple of years.
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Having said that apart from encoding I see no huge margins in performance between the two and doing everyday things, Im suprised at the number of people who have admitted going from x2 to c2d and saying they don.t really notice a difference.
Total aside but I'm about to go from an Athlon XP2200+ to a C2Q6600 (another AMD -> Intel convert among the enthusiast community...). I think I'll notice a slight difference :D
Phil Rhodes 13th December 2007, 12:10 Quote
Very disappointing - I have a reasonably recent Foxconn motherboard which would presumably have been upgradeable to support these new devices. I was very interested, as I mainly use apps such as Adobe Premiere and After Effects, both of which are very definitely multi-threaded, and for both of which you really can't have enough number crunchability on hand.

But now it seems that the intel solutions are better, cheaper, more mature, less power hungry - better in every way.

I share the community's concerns about Intel now running amuck.
Bindibadgi 13th December 2007, 12:12 Quote
McLean has it in a (large) nutshell ;)

On your upgrade: you'll see 3 more cores for starters. :p
pumpman 13th December 2007, 13:09 Quote
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Total aside but I'm about to go from an Athlon XP2200+ to a C2Q6600 (another AMD -> Intel convert among the enthusiast community...). I think I'll notice a slight difference
I should hope so too :) theres about 5 years between the two techs
Redbeaver 13th December 2007, 14:19 Quote
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Intel: Nom Nom Nom
http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/8486/cookiemonster2lc7.jpg

totally.....

AMD got chewed :( *sigh*
speedfreek 13th December 2007, 14:23 Quote
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Originally Posted by Bindibadgi
McLean has it in a (large) nutshell ;)

On your upgrade: you'll see 3 more cores for starters. :p

Yeah, I want to stick with AMD but this new computer I got was cheap and AMD is being disappointing. I would be more than willing to make the switch back if they can come along with something good for a great price, like the athlons.
gvblake22 13th December 2007, 15:10 Quote
WOW, that review makes me want to cry. AMD has got some serious stepping up to do (no pun intended)! :(:(
sandys 13th December 2007, 15:31 Quote
The chip has potential, hopefully AMD will get that potential out of the next revision, Techreports review of the TLB patched chip showed quite a drop something like 15%, was your chip/board patched?

AMD will fix that and no doubt make other improvements along the way, I wonder if they will have a full speed northbridge as it seems to help improve performance a fair bit the faster the northbridge goes.

Any news on AM2+ SLI boards in the pipeline or when the DDR3 AM3 boards will hit, despite its current performance deficit the chip has potential I've seen a few higher clocked Phenom vs Yorksfield comparisons and clock for clock the chips are a pretty even match Phenom 3Ghz/2.5GhzNB vs 3G Yorksfield, of course Yorksfield overclocks like a nutter but i'd be happy enough to buy the phenom if the price/performance is good when I need to upgrade my current setup, need SLI though.
fakeN 13th December 2007, 16:06 Quote
dissapointing to say the least, could this be the end of amd?
oasked 13th December 2007, 16:41 Quote
^ They're already seriously late with Phenom. If they waited longer then Intel would have had their next generation out, which would beat Phenom by an even greater margin.

I've managed to hold off buying Intel by upgrading my socket 939 system, but I don't know how much longer I can keep it up. :(
Amon 13th December 2007, 16:51 Quote
How well do these Phenom fold? For some people, it could be worth buying just for that.
Bindibadgi 13th December 2007, 17:11 Quote
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Originally Posted by Amon
How well do these Phenom fold? For some people, it could be worth buying just for that.

In that case, for the price, buy a PS3.
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