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Matkubicki 27th January 2007, 20:51 Quote
Intel also make chipsets so prehaps its not in there benifit to go with a on board memory controller. Prehaps doing so would make it easier for competitors (like SIS, Nvidia and VIA) to make chipsets performing as well as/better than Intel's.

Just a guess but you never know
ikra 27th January 2007, 22:13 Quote
but the chipsets for amd are also well made arent they?
JaredC01 27th January 2007, 23:14 Quote
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Originally Posted by ikra
but the chipsets for amd are also well made arent they?
AMD doesn't make any chipsets. ATI does make chipsets though, and AMD bought them out, but AMD doesn't by itself make chipsets.
ikra 28th January 2007, 03:21 Quote
chipsets FOR amd i said.. and the part that is said "also well made" means that nvdia is doing a good job at making chipsets FOR AMD.

sorry if I confused you
Fiber4now 28th January 2007, 10:19 Quote
Trying to hype AMD when the subject of this thread is a new gate process simply amazes me since if the C2D was on the drawing boards as AMD finds itself with the K8L perhaps the guy that brought up this subject would have a point in speculating about the amount of transistors needed to create 2, 4, 6, or 8MBs of L2 cache but the C2D has been around now for 6 months and from all I have read at every comparable clock speed the C2D has a performance advantage and then when you add the E6700 and E6800 AMD has no reply for those.

Intel has shared L2 cache meaning that single threaded application benefit from one cores ability to use the L2 cache of the secondary core. then on top of that Intel uses their new memory disambiguation to allow loads in front of stores in main memory all this plus the extended front, execution core, and back end make the C2D a better performer. More L2 Cache makes the chances of a miss and the need to go to main memory slighter than a small L2 cache and a faster Memory interface that AMD possesses now.

There is nothing left to say, other than articles have come out about the K8L and it is a fact that it will be the K8L that will imulate the C2D, using all of the technology of the core while remaining with the onboard memory controller.
Mother-Goose 28th January 2007, 10:23 Quote
tbh its all speculative until K8L comes out. Hopefully the penryn socket will be 775 though so upgrading isn't an issue.
Fiber4now 28th January 2007, 10:42 Quote
I do not see why not since it seems that Intel is playing nice, nice ever since the market came to the realization that AMD was a force to be reckoned with.

As Tim said Intel is sticking with its wattage numbers for the Penryn and raising clock speeds so why would they need another socket other than if things change dramatically from now till then such as chipsets using PCI-Express 2 and manufactures want everyone to upgrade. Since Dell was a Intel house solely up to a few months ago I believe Dell had more to do with Intel continuously changing sockets than Intel themselves, Dell needs something new always to move market share.
ikra 28th January 2007, 14:49 Quote
maybe in a technological point of view changing sockets is a part of it, but at a business point of view it means more money.
Cheap Mod Wannabe 28th January 2007, 17:51 Quote
A great video of some Intel devs talking about the 45 nanometer chips. LINK
ikra 28th January 2007, 19:05 Quote
nice video :D

-Morres law ends in seven years (1985)
-Intel cant continue to shrink its chips to increase speed and computing power anymore (1995)
-45 nm technology allows us to maintain moore's law (2005)

20 years after, moore's law is still there... I wonder how much longer that would last.
sl1xx 28th January 2007, 22:59 Quote
arrr man this look soo good i was eyeing my conroe system up look like i got more waiting to do !
unrealhippie 28th January 2007, 23:08 Quote
That video is loooong. Very interesting.

Funny point, Intel can get 100,000,000 transistors working 100% of the time. In LCD technology, in just 2,000,000 errors occur... I know this is more a quirk of the technology, but the accuracy which some things can be done to..

Edit: That site is sticking some nasty viruses on my pc... 2 .exe's just apeared....
Cheap Mod Wannabe 29th January 2007, 00:29 Quote
unrealhippie, Podtech web site is sending you viruses?
ikra 29th January 2007, 01:34 Quote
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Originally Posted by sl1xx
arrr man this look soo good i was eyeing my conroe system up look like i got more waiting to do !
core2duo is good... but waiting for this will be even abigger step.. so hold on to those pennies... and upgrade once they release em new cores. And oh, just in time for r600 and the lower end and mid range dx10 cards from nvdia. What a happy year this is gonna be
pendragon 29th January 2007, 02:00 Quote
good article, Tim! ;) interesting and informative
Mother-Goose 29th January 2007, 08:56 Quote
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Originally Posted by ikra
core2duo is good... but waiting for this will be even abigger step.. so hold on to those pennies... and upgrade once they release em new cores. And oh, just in time for r600 and the lower end and mid range dx10 cards from nvdia. What a happy year this is gonna be

Ikra, R600 is coming out Q2 where as penryn is going to be H2 (Q3 or Q4).

Even though this looks mightily tempting I have waited long enough, I'll get the Q6600 after the price drops, and then if the penryn is that good I will sell my Q6600 afterwards (although I have to get it first lol)

Tim, good stuff, I actually understood (some of) it this time :)
Karlston 30th January 2007, 03:16 Quote
Nice article, but one sentence at the bottom of page 2 has me stumped. Can someone explain what the bolded part means. To me, reducing something by 5 times makes it -4 times what it was (1 times - 5 times = -4 times), and that's plainly ridiculous...
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This, in conjunction with the high-k gate dielectric, has given Intel more than a 20% increase in transistor performance while reducing the source-to-drain leakage by more than five times, improving energy efficiency inside each transistor.
Perhaps it could be changed to a percentage or a percentage reduction or something a little easier (for me at least :D ) to understand...
instant rice 30th January 2007, 03:41 Quote
I haven't posted here in years and had to come back to comment on this. I keep getting ready to upgrade and speccing out a system, and every time, Intel goes and launches something brand new like this.

As far as mobile processors go, I'm less interested in seeing what they do with laptop designs. I'd love to see them integrate this tech into pocket devices. They could probably squeeze P3/P4 level performance into PDAs and smartphones.
./^\.Ace./^\. 9th June 2007, 21:19 Quote
With the technology of 45nm construction, do you think Intel now build a quad core processor that is one unit :? or will they just be lazy and do nothing about it :?
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