Intel's Core 2 Duo processors

Originally Posted by Da Dego
You're making an absurd analogy

Yes I was...my bad I was tired and irritable!

Your right, your right!

Can anyone pint me in the right directions for a good motherboard for these processors? Ive been using AMD for years and never stoped to look at there boards so know nothing aobut them and having trouble finding some.

Originally Posted by Raymus
Can anyone pint me in the right directions for a good motherboard for these processors? Ive been using AMD for years and never stoped to look at there boards so know nothing aobut them and having trouble finding some.

I don't think there are many. Apprently, all 975x chipsets should support Conroe out of the box, but those are rare, and you are looking at very high end and very expensive ($200-$300).

Older chipsets like 945G etc. could support it, but many will require new BIOS updates to recognize Conroe and utilize it's power saving features etc.

But Conroe isn't even out yet. A few motherboards just happen to support it. I'm guessing - hoping - that when July 27th hits, motherboards will start rolling out like locusts in the Apocalpyse within a few days.

A lot have already been announced. I personally have my eye on a DFI MATX board with a X700 IGP (announced, not released) - here's hoping for MATX overclockability.

Originally Posted by Tim S
I doubt I'll be rushing out to upgrade my work system at the moment either, because it does everything fine at the mo'. Albeit a little slower than a mid-to-high end Core 2 Duo would...

Thanks a lot, that post was very informative ;)

I've been re-reading bit-tech's and some others review and I think I grossly underestimated Core 2 performance jump... I'll wait until next year for my next upgrade, but with Core 2, DX10 GPUs and Vista just coming at the same time, it looks like one of the most exciting upgrades I've ever done :D

The next few months are going to be pretty interesting as far as upgrading, with Vista and everything that comes with it - this is only the start of it

Some basic overclocking results are available over at Toms

Looks

What i want to know is if i actually go back to the darkside and get an intel core 2 chip, will i still be able to heat my entire flat off it? or have they fixed the need for an industrial cooling solution that was the case with the p4's?

TDP (which cannot be compared to AMD's) is 40% lower than NetBurst chips - they run pretty cool - I was loading at about 51'C at 3.9GHz on air.

It looks like Intel has gone down the same route as AMD of making their extreme edition processor more expensive than the equivalent workstation processor.

Over at Vadim Computers an Intel Core 2 Duo X6800 Extreme will cost you a hefty £679.99 ex vat whereas a Intel Xeon 5160 will cost you a hefty, but crucially cheaper, £619.48 ex vat. This is despite it featuring a higher clock speed and a faster FSB

Shame the sockets are different eh? ;)

you probably won't get multiplier adjustments on the Xeon 5160 :)

Originally Posted by Tim S
you probably won't get multiplier adjustments on the Xeon 5160 :)

I can't imagine an unlocked multipler costs Intel £60 + vat ;)

Originally Posted by JADS
I can't imagine an unlocked multipler costs Intel £60 + vat ;)

Absolutely, but it's not about what it costs - it's about what consumers are prepared to pay. ;)

Originally Posted by Tim S
Absolutely, but it's not about what it costs - it's about what consumers are prepared to pay. ;)

In the case of the Intel Core 2 Duo X6800 Extreme I think it is what the consumers parents are prepared to pay ;)

wow its fascinating to see that the Core 2 architecture is really that good, i think thats really good, and the comments about the 4mb L2 cache making a big difference were wrong

worried for AMD now though, i dont know how they can compete at the current time, intel really looks to have taken the lead

Its going to be an interesting year :)

how do you guys not point out the fact that AMD is also 64 bit, meaning they will always outpreform intel on a 64 bit based program (such as windows xp pro x64 edition)...

it is also kind of sad that the next gen intel chips are just barely better than the current gen AMD chips...makes you wonder why...

Originally Posted by spttdmst
how do you guys not point out the fact that AMD is also 64 bit, meaning they will always outpreform intel on a 64 bit based program (such as windows xp pro x64 edition)...

it is also kind of sad that the next gen intel chips are just barely better than the current gen AMD chips...makes you wonder why...

Both support X86-64 extensions and based on some early testing I've done, Core 2 Duo is faster than AMD64 in 64-bit environments.

AMD is launching 4x4 processor in 2007.Until Then Wait...

Originally Posted by keith_j_snyder2
AMD is launching 4x4 processor in 2007.Until Then Wait...

4x4 is two processors in one motherboard... Intel is also launching quad-core before the end of the year.

now imagine 2 quad-core cpus on one board. bye bye 4X4 :p

AMD will offer that as a solution in 2007. ;)

both intel and AMD will have dual quad core cpus in 2007. but i refuse to get a computer that consumes more power than the totality of my house.

They need to make Desktop CPU's to underclock when idle.

Man so much heat and power, it is so uneconomical to run these blazing machines at such speeds when surfing the net or idleing.

Originally Posted by Cheap Mod Wannabe
They need to make Desktop CPU's to underclock when idle.

Man so much heat and power, it is so uneconomical to run these blazing machines at such speeds when surfing the net or idleing.

They already do - SpeedStep / Cool'n'Quiet ;)

Originally Posted by Tim S
Both support X86-64 extensions and based on some early testing I've done, Core 2 Duo is faster than AMD64 in 64-bit environments.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core2duo-64bit.html

Clock for clock in 64-bit mode they perform pretty much the same, the 2.93GHz Core 2 is 6% faster than the FX-62 which has a 4.4% lower clock speed meaning a 1.6% advantage on average for Intel over AMD on clock for clock performance. That is hardly anything and with the K8L out before 64-bit becomes more mainstream Intel will have to come up with a core revision with 64-bit Macrofusion to keep the lead, otherwise they'll be more even than they have even been.

Originally Posted by Tim S
They already do - SpeedStep / Cool'n'Quiet ;)

Oh which series? Just Core2duo or previuos too? AMD also?

Please enlighten me sir.